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Tramon Williams has been in the NFL long enough to know that new points of emphasis by the league's officials don't always stick. With the field being covered in yellow during the Green Bay Packers past two training camp practices, the ninth-year veteran is hoping it's not an indication of what the upcoming season is going to be like.

 

"It was raining flags out there," Williams said. "If they want to throw flags every day like they did at practice, we're just going to have to play a six-hour game."

One of the biggest points of emphasis this season directly concerns cornerbacks like Williams.

 

"What they're stressing right now is any tug of the jersey, PI," Williams said, referencing pass interference. "Period. Any tug of the jersey, PI. That's why you've been seeing so many flags out there. It doesn't matter where it is, they say you can be running down the field just with your hands on the receiver. Chances are they're going to emphasize PI right now, so it may be called right now. It's a little ridiculous, but it's emphasis time, so that's what they have to do."

 

NFL official Ed Hochuli has been in Green Bay in recent days to inform the Packers of what's specifically being looked for. Hochuli and his crew have also been on the practice field with the team, but some of what they told the players in meetings didn't translate when the action started outside.

 

"Let's just say yesterday when they came in, we came in with the intentions that they were coming to emphasize offensive pass interference," Williams said. "We got into one-on-one drills, it was all defensive pass interference. So it was funny to me to see because we know what the emphasis was, and we actually have some of the refs in our meetings and go through film with them and we have plays that should have been called or what shouldn't have been called. The only thing they can really tell you is 'It should've been called and we missed it.'

 

"We trust these referees that they're going to make the right calls. When we tell them what's going on or what we see on film, 'OK this guy is a push-off guy, this is what he does, we need that call.' So we get in that game and we trust the referee and a guy pushes you off, makes the catch and it never gets called. It's been like that for years now. So I never trusted it. I never personally trusted it. You've got to take your chances at this point."

 

The packet that was distributed to media members from the referees does mention offensive pass interference as the leading point of emphasis in that section about contact downfield prior to the pass. But as Williams noted, the vast majority of the flags in Thursday's and Friday's practices were called on the defense, whether it was for illegal contact or defensive holding.

 

"I think we had 10 out of the first 10 plays on the DB-receiver drill (called as penalties)," Hochuli said in a meeting with reporters. "Players will get it. The players adjust. They understand the rule changes, and they adjust. I know that the players always test us to see if we really mean it and how far the rule is going to go, and I'm sure that they'll adjust."

 

The challenge for defensive backs, at least in Williams' mind, is that they were already at a disadvantage based on the current NFL rules. If the flags fly in the direction of the defense even more in 2014, points could be scored at an increased rate. It's perhaps with that exact idea in mind that the league wanted to emphasize these areas that further limit what defensive players can do.

 

"I mean, it's always been skewed offensively," Williams said. "I don't know what to think of it right now. Obviously the offense already has the advantage. Basically what they're telling us as DBs, we're the best athletes on the field, so we just have to do a lot more."

 

Williams already noticed an uptick last season in penalties called on defensive backs.

 

"I had more penalties last year than I had than any year I've been here," he said. "I feel personally that most of them were questionable calls. It is what it is at this point. Just got to keep playing your game.

 

"It's already offensive-oriented, it's going to become more offensive-oriented. You just have to focus in and do your job. Whatever the referee is going to call, he's going to call. That's their job. They also have a job to do. When you talk to the refs, they have a boss just like we have a boss. They've got to try to make the right calls that they have to make.

 

"In reality, it's not fair, but they do have a job to do."

 

http://www.foxsports.com/wisco...d-offensively-080114

 

He's right. RT @Paulimig: Tramon Williams: NFL's PI emphasis 'not fair,' 'a little ridiculous,''skewed offensively' http://foxs.pt/1lksJYH 

 

So fu** defense. Let's just score all the points we can?

 

More and more messing with the Golden Goose. One day Roger, fans will just stop watching.

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Same thing happened when Peyton and Polian pissed their pants after the 2004 playoff game against NE. League ran out the same POE nonsense and a few months later it was like it never really happened.

 

Having said that, If I'm MM I go deep early and often week 1 in Seattle. 

Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:

gonna have to side with stripes on this one, db's shouldn't be tugging on jerseys. 

Agreed, but did you ever try to cover somebody without hand checking them?

 

Not pushing or holding, but hand checking helps to mark the territory, your personal space.

 

You are telling the receiver...I'm right here bro.

 

Unfortunately this is just one more step toward the NFL Flag Football League. They are going to salami slice us there, so we don't notice. 

Goodell is a putz

The guy is all about making cash but his common sense  is really lacking

He could have made a statement with the Ray Rice situation but failed miserably.   Now he's trying to make the NFL the Arena League with stressing offense over everything else.   The PI rules and defensive holding rules for defensive backs were already favoring the offense and this looks like more of the same.

There's plenty of things Goodell has done to soften the game up a bit. The PI rules aren't one of them. The NFL had to do this based on Seattle running their mouths. Things won't be called as tight as the NFL will make it appear. 

 

I am glad someone asked EKB is he's ever tried to cover someone without handchecking them though. It's been a question I've wanted to ask for some time but the opportunity never really presented itself. 

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Originally Posted by JJSD:

Give the questioner a break.  The poor bastard woke up one day only to find that his salami had been sliced off.  That would be disconcerting for anyone.  

 Don't worry, your Vaj is safe, Vaj slicing doesn't have the same ring to it. 

Seattle kicked the snot out of St. Peyton and if you think it was only due to the Seattle DBs "mugging" the vaunted unstoppable Denver receivers I think you weren't watching closely enough

Maybe Peyton Manning is just a choker.  Heaven forbid.  So now let's change the rules to cover his ass. 

It's bogus

grabbing a jersey is a tackling move (cough AJ cough).  I'm all for bumping them inside the first 5, jamming on the line, and calling offensive PI when the receiver pushes off, but grabbing the jersey should be a penalty unless you have the ball in your hand. 

Originally Posted by Tschmack:
Seattle kicked the snot out of St. Peyton and if you think it was only due to the Seattle DBs "mugging" the vaunted unstoppable Denver receivers I think you weren't watching closely enough

Maybe Peyton Manning is just a choker.  Heaven forbid.  So now let's change the rules to cover his ass. 

It's bogus

2004 Peyton cried like a small child and the rules changed. Peyton took a fair share of abuse over it and rightfully so. 

 

He didn't say much of anything after last years SB. He learned his lesson from 2004 and it's not why they got thumped by Seattle in February. This point of emphasis nonsense isn't because of him or related to the league trying to placate him. 

 

Its because Seattle said they held on every play knowing the stripes won't throw a flag on every play. They could have STFU and kept right on doing what they were doing but Pete Carroll teams have a history of not knowing any better and finding ways to kill success on their own. 

 

Week 1 is going to be interesting to see if Seattle decides to test the refs. I think they will because theyre a reflection of the coach. 

 

I do agree that Peyton might just be the best QB ever that comes up small on the big stage though. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
Originally Posted by Tschmack:
Seattle kicked the snot out of St. Peyton and if you think it was only due to the Seattle DBs "mugging" the vaunted unstoppable Denver receivers I think you weren't watching closely enough

Maybe Peyton Manning is just a choker.  Heaven forbid.  So now let's change the rules to cover his ass. 

It's bogus

2004 Peyton cried like a small child and the rules changed. Peyton took a fair share of abuse over it and rightfully so. 

 

He didn't say much of anything after last years SB. He learned his lesson from 2004 and it's not why they got thumped by Seattle in February. This point of emphasis nonsense isn't because of him or related to the league trying to placate him. 

 

Its because Seattle said they held on every play knowing the stripes won't throw a flag on every play. They could have STFU and kept right on doing what they were doing but Pete Carroll teams have a history of not knowing any better and finding ways to kill success on their own. 

 

Week 1 is going to be interesting to see if Seattle decides to test the refs. I think they will because theyre a reflection of the coach. 

 

I do agree that Peyton might just be the best QB ever that comes up small on the big stage though. 

 

I also agree with EKB. A DB tugging a jersey is a penalty. 

 

quote:
He didn't say much of anything after last years SB. He learned his lesson from 2004 and it's not why they got thumped by Seattle in February. This point of emphasis nonsense isn't because of him or related to the league trying to placate him.
When the Colts played GB in the 2010 preseason, the NFL was beginning to move where the umpires go after spotting the ball as ready for play.  Peyton bitched and bitched because this made it more difficult to run his pwecious widdle uptempo offense. This whining, however, did get the NFL to tweak what it did.

I've never hid my dislike of Peyton Manning. No NFL QB has received more praise for accomplishing so little. If I had to pick a QB to bring a great season to a crushing end I'd take Manning over Favre. Favre has to deal with his failures now that his time is done and he can't repair the damage. Peyton's is going to be worse. Its my opinion Peyton would have called it a career if he beat Seattle and Elway handed him his second Lombardi with a "This ones for Peyton" line. If Denver lost a crushingly close game he might have walked away. Denver got crushed and he played like crap. Again. 

 

So Peyton has to press on and fight like hell to write a happy ending. It's not going to happen.  His Broncos can't beat the best team from the NFC. 

 

This rule speed bump will pass. We are talking about refs that have called NFL games forever. The league can issue directives all they want. When games get into November the refs will call what they've called for the past decade.

Peyton's top 5 in QBs all time, easily. The argument can be made for top 10 players of all time, IMO.

 

He's so good, that any team he's playing for is virtually guaranteed a spot in the playoffs. That's a testament to how good he is, considering most of those teams he was on had suspect defenses. The year he won it all, that defense caught fire at the right time of the season, and you saw what happened.

 

Last year's SB is kind of a head scratcher though, I have to admit.

Who's you're top 5? 

 

Mine is Montana, Starr, Unitas, Graham, Marino. Those are the best 5 QBs to ever play the position.  Peyton is in the conversation because he still has a chance to write his place in history. In 5 years he's going to slide like Brett has. You can't **** up that many post seasons and be part of the best ever conversation. Marino gets my vote only because he's the best I ever watched that got stuck with bad teams and he kept Shula employed 5 years after he stopped giving a crap. 

 

 

If the refs are truly going to be calling it like this I think it can certainly help the Packers especially in week 1.  Seattle's corners are about as aggressive as they come with playing tight bump and run man coverage and there's certainly some grabbing and pushing involved. 

 

We'll have to see how it evolves

I can't put Manning top 5. A QB as good as he's made out to be playing his prime years indoors with Harrison, Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerin James, Stokley behind a really good OL that left him virtually untouched has to at least get to more than 1 Super Bowl with those guys. 

 

Hes the best regular season QB in the history of Pro Football. Hands down, no discussion. 

 

Just my opinion. 

Technically, he did get to a second SB with those guys, but lost it by throwing a pick-six in the fourth quarter.

Two years ago against Baltimore he threw a pick-six and then a brutal INT in OT, and there were a lot of people who claimed the only reason Denver lost that game was because of what happened in the last two minutes of regulation.  Because Peyton Manning is never, ever, ever to blame.

By 2009 James was in Seattle and Marvin was busy getting shot at in Philly back alleys. 

 

I should also also add this about Peyton. I think he's an unaccountable smug little ****er.  

Population size matters.  I mean...it's not like we're talking 3 or 4 playoff games.

 

To be fair, this precedes the 2013 season, but anyway...

quote:
http://thebiglead.com/2013/01/...ne-postseason-trips/

Peyton Manning threw a pick-six, fumbled, and then threw the game-losing interception in overtime as the top-seeded Broncos lost to Baltimore, 38-35. The Ravens were 9.5-point underdogs.

Unless Tom Brady loses today, your NFL storyline this week: What is the deal with Peyton Manning in the postseason? He’s just 9-11 and eight of those losses have been of the one-and-done variety (either Wild Card or after a bye).

It’s a perplexing question with no right or wrong answer. Are we even talking about this is if Denver safety Rahim Moore doesn’t take a mind-bogglingly bad angle on that pass to Jacoby Jones with less than a minute left? Nope. We’d all be slamming the Ravens for completely forgetting Torrey Smith was on the roster in the second half after he abused Champ Bailey in the first half.

And I thought his one SB win was a rather mediocre performance.

 

Top 5 with 8 one and done's?  Even while appreciating it's a team game, nope, no way.  Can't be Top 5.

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In the playoffs, your QB needs to be the Super Star & put the team on his back.

 

Troy Aikman (who was very mediocre in the regular season) played extremely well in the playoffs. They used that All-Pro O-Line & Emmit Smith to get to the playoffs but when they had to have the pass completed, Aikman was up to the task.

 

Yes, of course there are the exceptions to the rule (Brad Johnson, Dilfer, etc.) but more often than not, a great QB will win playoff games & Super Bowls for you.

 

Manning not top 5 unless you're referring to regular season only

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

I can't put Manning top 5. A QB as good as he's made out to be playing his prime years indoors with Harrison, Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerin James, Stokley behind a really good OL that left him virtually untouched has to at least get to more than 1 Super Bowl with those guys. 

 

Hes the best regular season QB in the history of Pro Football. Hands down, no discussion. 

 

Just my opinion. 

Using your own criteria, how do you explain having Marino on your list?  He played his career in great weather... great regular seasons... never won ****... 

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I would also consider Marino.

 

He generally had mediocre defense AND running game.

 

I'd like to put Sonny Jurgenson on the list!  (Guess I am being silly, for some reason, I always especially liked Sonny.)

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