I voted for Hillary and woke up happy that Trump had won.....
...I know, God is smiting me.
Pizza's here!!
It's beyond me how any rational American can continue to support Trump.
Your mistake including "rational" in that sentence. I don't think I'm exaggerating. The majority of his supporters said they would never change their mind about him (recent poll).
Nearly seven months after taking office, it’s beginning to look like much of Trump’s support is locked in. Among those who currently approve of the president’s job performance, most (61%) say they cannot see Trump doing anything that would make them disapprove of him.
ChilliJon posted:I got nothing but guilty as charged.
Nothing but props. It takes a man to own his actions but you know this.
Blair Kiel posted:I voted for Hillary and woke up happy that Trump had won.....
...I know, God is smiting me.
I voted for Hillary and woke up wishing I had wrote in Bernie as planned.
God is smiting me.
DH13 posted:Your mistake including "rational" in that sentence. I don't think I'm exaggerating. The majority of his supporters said they would never change their mind about him (recent poll).
Is there an Uber Backfire Effect? So bad it blows away future generations?
Blair Kiel posted:...and look how we completely forgot about North Korea!
Genius!
And Russia....shiney objects boys, shiney objects. Lets keep our eyes on the ball.
Mr Mueller is.
After receiving emails and PM's, I'm glad that some people understood my point and supported it. There are 2 sides to every story. The media is really doing their best to divide us, apparently for the sake of selling advertising.
I've been around for a long time and have never seen nor met a neo nazi, nor do I care to.
The brain washing by the media has leaked into a group of Packer fans on a forum which we generally use to discuss football. That;s too bad for us.
None of us were in VA that day, so everything that's being argued over is hearsay, which equates to BS.
I've seen screenshots of ads for $25/hr to come to that event as a paid rioter for this and other events. Consider that.
For the sake of Packer fans that want to be here for Packer news, and I've been here since about day 1, maybe the politics should have its own forum far from this.
This never would have happened years ago when this forum began.
Decorum.
Go Pack
"It's not whether you get knocked down, its whether you get up" Vince Lombardi
Gdog posted:None of us were in VA that day, so everything that's being argued over is hearsay, which equates to BS.
Yes, It's hearsay that a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of people.
Damn that CNN for making me think the wrong way. I'm as bad as the Neo-Nazis
I voted for Trump because there was no way I was going to vote for Hillary who in my mind should have been in jail for things she has done in her political career way before the email scandal. I did not think Tump had all the answers but I was hoping he would surround himself with people that did. I knew HIllary would just surround herself with the same old corrupt people she owed her polical career to.
But the Trump presidency has just been exhuasting. He can't get out of his own way and most of the time it is self inflicted. Hire this person, fire that person. He is running it like a damn TV show. In his mind, bad ratings are good ratings. I dont have any hope now it will get any better.I did not vote for Obama but will say when he won I was really hoping he would do some great things and gave him a few years before I came to the conclusion he may be one of the worse presidents of all time. His lies, deceipt and hypocrisy were epic.
Trump has his base support but he will never get anything done. I could see him being impeached now. It will only take 12 republican senators with the 48 democrats. There are probabaly more than 12 republican senators that want him to go away. And then what? Pence?
Brainwashed Boris posted:Gdog posted:None of us were in VA that day, so everything that's being argued over is hearsay, which equates to BS.
Yes, It's hearsay that a white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of people.
Damn that CNN for making me think the wrong way. I'm as bad as the Neo-Nazis
I don't remember you being this shattered when the 1 crazy black guy started shooting up Dallas police officers. Where was the outrage then?
If I may address the logic and sequence here.
Statement-> Response. Very simple. Followed by "But you never said anything about _______". You've also never made statements about apartheid or hostess twinkies, does that discredit everything you have said up until this point?
It's just weak arguing. You didn't chose to try to address his point, so in attempt to discredit him (instead of his statement) you pulled out some other event and a lack of statement as "proof".
Gdog posted:
None of us were in VA that day, so everything that's being argued over is hearsay, which equates to BS.
I've seen screenshots of ads for $25/hr to come to that event as a paid rioter for this and other events. Consider that.
Just going to leave this here.
If you search the archives I mentioned it in the Kaepernick thread.
No bended knee for the police?
Look for it.
The other thing you don't know is that shooting specifically affected my family.
Bzzzz....any more thoughts for me?
Floridarob posted:I voted for Trump because there was no way I was going to vote for Hillary who in my mind should have been in jail for things she has done in her political career way before the email scandal.
Floridarob posted:before I came to the conclusion he may be one of the worse presidents of all time. His lies, deceipt and hypocrisy were epic.
I keep finding these things everywhere.
Gdog posted:
This never would have happened years ago when this forum began.
Decorum.
It's because Boris is really Obama.
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Gdog posted:The media is really doing their best to divide us, apparently for the sake of selling advertising.
Media doing their best to divide us. Apparently for the sake of selling advertising. Illustrated.
Look at Jose Zamora going all hidden agenda as a reporter trying to divide us. You're really starting to piss me off with all the ignorance you're spraying like a broke sprinkler. If you actually think the media has the ability to sway or alter the thoughts of rational thinking individuals of what they saw happen in Charlottesville and subsequent Trump press conferences then I don't know what to say anymore. You're sure as **** not actually paying attention. Instead you want to run with Dallas police officers getting shot by radicals on the left. Hey, speaking about the desire to shoot cops....
Thats Chris Cantwell. He helped organize Charlottesville. Yes he wants to kill Jews. And Blacks. And wipe them out of America at the very least. But Chris isn't cool with just race and religious eradication. He'd love to kill as many cops as possible. Here's part of Chris' bio. It's quite a read:
"Cantwell has called for the violent overthrow of the U.S. government, and, in previous years, for the assassination of ordinary law enforcement officers and other government workers. Democrats and “communists” need to be “physically removed” from the country, Cantwell insists, and white men should consider polygamy to increase number of Caucasian babies being born"
Hes quite the brave patriot. Until you watch the video of Chris sobbing like a small child in his hotel room when he learned there was a warrant for his arrest.
Bottom line is this. Stop talking garbage like the media is shaping what happened. Use your own ****ing mind. Then again maybe you have and you're still to much of a coward to own where you really stand on this matter. If that's the case then maybe you should just shut the **** up.
Sure thing Chilljon.
I'm a fiscal conservative, watching the republicans own the democrats in every aspect of our government.
And now, I get to watch the temper tantrums from the left. Its entertaining the way things have turned out, like statues being torn down on the whims of 19 year old, triggered students. Or campuses erupting into riots if a conservative speaker shows up. That should fix the US...
So now, leftists think everything they don't agree with is a chance to riot & tear apart cities.
The neo nazi's make up about .000001% of the US population. Let the morons have a parade and then it all goes away. But no, the moronic left gave it all the attention it needed and now its a crapfest. Idiots on both sides.
I've already said that I'm no fan of the neo nazis (as did Trump, many times), but you brain washed, triggered, snowflakes want to throw your tantrums. Go ahead.
Hard to argue with any of that after the conservatives fixed health care.
El-Belichick-Landry posted:Hard to argue with any of that after the conservatives fixed health care.
That's all you got? Are you going to riot now?
Ok, neo-nazis bad....white supremacists = good??
Is that what I'm reading from you? - FYI....I'm a white guy, maybe that will help you along.
You still haven't responded to me nor do I expect you to because in your opinion I'm simply a democratic sheep that can't think on my own.
Boy....those R's are sure owning the D's in that "repeal & replace" of ObamaCare.
I'm not "for" the D's nor "against" the R's. No temper tantrums here.
But now we're supposed to let "neo-nazis have a parade & it all goes away"!?!??!
FYI....Trump's lineage traces back to the KKK, for those of you following along at home.
This isn't left vs. right, R vs D....this is about evil vs. what's right & white supremacy in ANY form needs to be abolished from the planet.
Gdog posted:Sure thing Chilljon.
I'm a fiscal conservative, watching the republicans own the democrats in every aspect of our government.
And now, I get to watch the temper tantrums from the left. Its entertaining the way things have turned out, like statues being torn down on the whims of 19 year old, triggered students. Or campuses erupting into riots if a conservative speaker shows up. That should fix the US...
So now, leftists think everything they don't agree with is a chance to riot & tear apart cities.
The neo nazi's make up about .000001% of the US population. Let the morons have a parade and then it all goes away. But no, the moronic left gave it all the attention it needed and now its a crapfest. Idiots on both sides.
I've already said that I'm no fan of the neo nazis (as did Trump, many times), but you brain washed, triggered, snowflakes want to throw your tantrums. Go ahead.
Southern Strategy.
End of retort.
"Ok, neo-nazis bad....white supremacists = good??
Is that what I'm reading from you? - FYI....I'm a white guy, maybe that will help you along."
I never said that, but you reading into that is interesting.
"Boy....those R's are sure owning the D's in that "repeal & replace" of ObamaCare."
Again, is that all you got? Obamacare is a national disaster about to explode. A disaster that he lit the fuse to and then the dems are gone. My rates have increased more than I care to discuss and the providers are running for the hills so I have almost no options left. And this is the republicans fault?
Let's rip down a statue! that will show 'em!!
Neo nazi's. .000001% of the pop. Why give them a stage by showing up with paid rioters? Moronic.
Gdog posted:Are you going to riot now?
Yes. That is the only logical conclusion. Thank you for playing.
Gdog posted:
Again, is that all you got? Obamacare is a national disaster about to explode. A disaster that he lit the fuse to and then the dems are gone. My rates have increased more than I care to discuss and the providers are running for the hills so I have almost no options left. And this is the republicans fault?
Let's rip down a statue! that will show 'em!!
Neo nazi's. .000001% of the pop. Why give them a stage by showing up with paid rioters? Moronic.
If you're going to try to build an ideological house of cards try not building it when you've got the mental DTs.
In deciding to exit the Ohio market earlier this month, Anthem (ANTX) ticked off a list of concerns, including "continual changes in federal operations, rules and guidance" and "an increasing lack of overall predictability."
"A stable insurance market is dependent on products that create value for consumers through the broad spreading of risk and a known set of conditions upon which rates can be developed," the company said in a statement.
I mean we all know the largest economy on the face of the earth should be just like my checkbook and that all markets, because this is healthcare based on private markets, are immediately stable.
Gdog doesn't know/remember or is in denial that this is Dolecare. Even Hillary's attempted healthcare plan in the early 90's was based on employers and private markets.
I'm just shocked that there would be uncertainty in an economic market with direct corporate raider type tactics from Republicans. I'm just all aflutter.
BTW, I need someone to explain the connection between healthcare debate and "tear down a statue!".
The fact Gdog goes to the statue itself instead of the candy ass suburban white boys marching with torches while shouting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us" is in itself support for what said candy asses were marching for in the first place.
The unfolding scene that followed was the predictable result. Yet, let's not blame the arsonist for setting the fire and let's not blame the fire man who decided to use gasoline instead of water.
Maybe the healthcare connection comes in because rates are increasing for **** head, candy ass white boys chanting Nazi slogans after getting carted off to hospitals as they so reichly . . . sorry, richly deserved?
I would have voted for Jeb Bush, mostly for his position on education. A choice between Trump and Clinton was the worst possible outcome of a republic that values "reality television" over learning how gov't works. I can't imagine the GOP doesn't find a way to make Trump 1 term, but I suspect the Dem's are so thick they will try to trot out Hillary one more time. So, we will likely remain with a gov't of the wealthy, Koch's making sure their coal companies remain profitable and Devos making sure white Christians can still be segregated.
I agree the neo-nazis should have been granted zero attention. I also feel saying there were "good people" marching with the schitheads was the cherry on the stupid shake Trump has been putting out there since the beginning. If the people decided they didn't want the statue, who am I to say they should keep it up? Those complaining the statues are coming down seem to forget that the people wanted it down. I don't think ripping it down will fix race in our country, but it did always seem weird to me that we immortalized traitors like that.
I don't believe ACA is perfect, and folks were mislead along the way. Every repeal I've seen since the GOP got control (of the WH, House and Senate... CONTROL) has been pretty bad too. Mostly I fear that my local hospital won't be able to operate without the provisions of ACA, but I also see up close and personal how the GOP run Gov, House and Senate in Iowa, by uprooting and privatizing Medicade has made headache upon headache to access services for our son with a disability. This might surprise some of you, but when the for profit company hires the casework to advocate for our son, that person might have a conflict of interest. In the end, we get less service and more meaningless paperwork. But, I guess you can say we liked sucking on the gov't teet, we've heard that too.
I see nothing changing for this 4 years for the good. GOP can't get their **** together, Dem's want to dig in fox holes. Exactly the reverse of what 8 years of Obama gave us. Rather than govern and work together, we deal with "Tractor Loyalty" like I saw as a kid ("I'd never drive a green tractor...").
But, if sweeping statements like "brain washed, triggered, snowflakes" helps, I'm guessing there is no swaying your opinion. Narratives like Dems are snowflakes and GOP are racists gets us nowhere, but black and white does play well on TV. I have great friends on both sides, friends who are teachers, police officers, and even politicians. Good people tend to be good people.
This country is 240 yrs old, been around awhile, had some good years some not so good, all in all had a pretty good run. Maybe, just maybe it's time to pack it in. I see a divided country, geographically, politically, culturally and racially. I do not see much that we are united in and I don't see any uniting on the horizon. Furthermore I see no one on the leadership horizon who can step up and create any kind of stable bridge between all factions. Its been a long 7 months.
Can anyone talk me off the ledge?
*ring ring*
"Hello?"
"The Catholic thing worked like a charm!"
"So Jews and Blacks are like shooting fish in the barrel! Thanks Herbie!"
Pikes Peak posted:This country is 240 yrs old, been around awhile, had some good years some not so good, all in all had a pretty good run. Maybe, just maybe it's time to pack it in. I see a divided country, geographically, politically, culturally and racially. I do not see much that we are united in and I don't see any uniting on the horizon. Furthermore I see no one on the leadership horizon who can step up and create any kind of stable bridge between all factions. Its been a long 7 months.
Can anyone talk me off the ledge?
*ring ring*
"Hello?"
"So this isn't the Republic crisis hotline?"
El-Belichick-Landry posted:Rather than govern and work together, we deal with "Tractor Loyalty" like I saw as a kid ("I'd never drive a green tractor...").
Marxists "buy" John Deere. IH is the one true American tractor!
Henry posted:Floridarob posted:before I came to the conclusion he may be one of the worse presidents of all time. His lies, deceipt and hypocrisy were epic.
I keep finding these things everywhere.
You do need a bigger boat to put all his lies in. But as Trump followers ignore their guy, Obamas people ignore anything and everything he said and did that was dishonest.
He knew Obamacare was not what he said it was and knew that the end result would be a single payer system, something he ultimately wanted. If you like your health care you can keep it, like your dr, you can keep it. When Obama took office, my wife and my health care bill was around $500 per person. When he left office, my wifes health care bill was $1500 and to keep hers up I let mine go. Or else I would have had to pay $1500. Thanks Obama.
Knowing what Benghazi was up front he put out the lies about some tape that existed. No way was he going to let a terrrorist attack affect his re-election.
I especially loved the way he criticized the deficit on his first run for president and saying how the deficit was "criminal" then preceded to run it up to an amount that exceeded every other president before him. Of course Obama spent eight years blaming everything about the deficit and anything else negative on George Bush.
His handling of the Vets was unconscionable. If anyone needed assistance it was them and he crowed about everything he was doing (fired a bunch of people who were in charge of the VA) when only one person was removed for an ethic violation) Trump has done more for the vets in eight months than Obama did in eight years.
Trump could take one lesson from Obama and that is how to deliver a speak. Obama was great. Trump gives a speach like a 7th grader.
Not going to defend Trumps chaotic 1st eight months, but the guy was not even given a chance by his own party or the Media. The Media was hell bent on getting him out before he got in. Russia was nothing but something to keep the mass hysteria going. Hillary was the one in bed with the russians and ignored by the Dems and media. Trumps agenda was to change and drain the swamp. But nobody in the Swamp wanted change. Change might mean they lose their job and when anyone is elected to Washington, the only that matters is getting re-elected.
Screw all politicians. They all deserve to be fired.
Exactly. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to force the single payer system.
And the way the media handled (with kid gloves) Obama vs the daggers they gave to Trump - before they were even in office, is disturbing.
Screw the media and politicians.
You roll with it. I have my own reasons for disavowing Centrists and none of them have buzzwords or dog whistles.
Gdog posted:Exactly. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to force the single payer system.
And the way the media handled (with kid gloves) Obama vs the daggers they gave to Trump - before they were even in office, is disturbing.
Screw the media and politicians.
The media handled Obama with kid gloves is because he's a smart articulate guy and not a raging moran like Trump. Oh I see why you defend Trump. Birds of a feather, flock together!