Gdog posted:Exactly. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to force the single payer system.
Oh it's coming but not for the tripe reasons you trot out.
Hi, I'm Trump who has a disgusting history of inflammatory rhetoric and openly calls all facts "fake". Whatever could there be to report on.
Have you ever heard the expression, "Don't piss off a person who buys ink by the barrel"?
Floridarob posted:Henry posted:Floridarob posted:before I came to the conclusion he may be one of the worse presidents of all time. His lies, deceipt and hypocrisy were epic.
I keep finding these things everywhere.
You do need a bigger boat to put all his lies in. But as Trump followers ignore their guy, Obamas people ignore anything and everything he said and did that was dishonest.
He knew Obamacare was not what he said it was and knew that the end result would be a single payer system, something he ultimately wanted. If you like your health care you can keep it, like your dr, you can keep it. When Obama took office, my wife and my health care bill was around $500 per person. When he left office, my wifes health care bill was $1500 and to keep hers up I let mine go. Or else I would have had to pay $1500. Thanks Obama.
Knowing what Benghazi was up front he put out the lies about some tape that existed. No way was he going to let a terrrorist attack affect his re-election.
I especially loved the way he criticized the deficit on his first run for president and saying how the deficit was "criminal" then preceded to run it up to an amount that exceeded every other president before him. Of course Obama spent eight years blaming everything about the deficit and anything else negative on George Bush.
His handling of the Vets was unconscionable. If anyone needed assistance it was them and he crowed about everything he was doing (fired a bunch of people who were in charge of the VA) when only one person was removed for an ethic violation) Trump has done more for the vets in eight months than Obama did in eight years.
Trump could take one lesson from Obama and that is how to deliver a speak. Obama was great. Trump gives a speach like a 7th grader.
Not going to defend Trumps chaotic 1st eight months, but the guy was not even given a chance by his own party or the Media. The Media was hell bent on getting him out before he got in. Russia was nothing but something to keep the mass hysteria going. Hillary was the one in bed with the russians and ignored by the Dems and media. Trumps agenda was to change and drain the swamp. But nobody in the Swamp wanted change. Change might mean they lose their job and when anyone is elected to Washington, the only that matters is getting re-elected.
Screw all politicians. They all deserve to be fired.
My wife and mine's insurance is $ 650 a year. You need a better job, not a different President!
My premiums never went up before the ACA.
I pay $200 a month with a deductible via my job and it is considered good insurance.
Henry posted:Gdog posted:Exactly. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to force the single payer system.
Oh it's coming but not for the tripe reasons you trot out.
Hi, I'm Trump who has a disgusting history of inflammatory rhetoric and openly calls all facts "fake". Whatever could there be to report on.
Have you ever heard the expression, "Don't piss off a person who buys ink by the barrel"?
It is amazing how you call out anything Trump may say as "fact" as fake but I doubt you would find it in yourself to say anything against the fake news the CNNs, MSNBC Washington Post, Or NYTimes reports have spewed for the past year. Dont say anything to affect the resistence and media BIAS that has permeated the news. Russia, Russia, Russia....OMG, Jeff Sessions said hello to a russian embassary in front of 5000 people and that shows there was collusion. It is ridiculous as well as obsurd.
Gdog posted:Screw the media and politicians.
Finally something we can agree on
Henry posted:You roll with it. I have my own reasons for disavowing Centrists and none of them have buzzwords or dog whistles.
Great. Pay your taxes and have an opinion. Ain't this country great?
So the markets drop on Thursday. Fox News was quick to tell us the markets dropped due to the attack in Barcelona. Barcelona attack took place at 5:20pm Barcelona time. Wich is 11:20am in NY. The markets opened down on Thursday based on speculation key White Economists (Gary Cohn) were considering jumping off the SS Trump after his press conference on Tuesday. What Fox ran with is completely and totally false.
But again. If your opinion of what you see and understand is swayed by the opinion of any specific media outlet you are doing yourself a monumental disservice. There is no reason, in 2017, that you can't get factual information of what's really happening in America right now. On your own. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, NYT are not your freinds. Information is. And real, meaningful, useful information is everywhere.
I consume my news from: MSNBC (Morning Joe)/Fox News (less and less) /Wall Street Journal (when Mrs. Kiel brings a copy home from work)/Drudge Report/Huffington Post/Florida Times Union/POTUS Radio on XM /ABC Evening News/60 Minutes....I make a concerted effort to listen to different perspectives even if I don't agree with them necessarily.
....that said. Trump is a stain on American history.....Nazi's suck and anarchists should get off of their parents cell phone plan if they really don't like the world....and people should definitely get off of my lawn.
Packiderm posted:Floridarob posted:Henry posted:Floridarob posted:before I came to the conclusion he may be one of the worse presidents of all time. His lies, deceipt and hypocrisy were epic.
I keep finding these things everywhere.
You do need a bigger boat to put all his lies in. But as Trump followers ignore their guy, Obamas people ignore anything and everything he said and did that was dishonest.
He knew Obamacare was not what he said it was and knew that the end result would be a single payer system, something he ultimately wanted. If you like your health care you can keep it, like your dr, you can keep it. When Obama took office, my wife and my health care bill was around $500 per person. When he left office, my wifes health care bill was $1500 and to keep hers up I let mine go. Or else I would have had to pay $1500. Thanks Obama.
Knowing what Benghazi was up front he put out the lies about some tape that existed. No way was he going to let a terrrorist attack affect his re-election.
I especially loved the way he criticized the deficit on his first run for president and saying how the deficit was "criminal" then preceded to run it up to an amount that exceeded every other president before him. Of course Obama spent eight years blaming everything about the deficit and anything else negative on George Bush.
His handling of the Vets was unconscionable. If anyone needed assistance it was them and he crowed about everything he was doing (fired a bunch of people who were in charge of the VA) when only one person was removed for an ethic violation) Trump has done more for the vets in eight months than Obama did in eight years.
Trump could take one lesson from Obama and that is how to deliver a speak. Obama was great. Trump gives a speach like a 7th grader.
Not going to defend Trumps chaotic 1st eight months, but the guy was not even given a chance by his own party or the Media. The Media was hell bent on getting him out before he got in. Russia was nothing but something to keep the mass hysteria going. Hillary was the one in bed with the russians and ignored by the Dems and media. Trumps agenda was to change and drain the swamp. But nobody in the Swamp wanted change. Change might mean they lose their job and when anyone is elected to Washington, the only that matters is getting re-elected.
Screw all politicians. They all deserve to be fired.
My wife and mine's insurance is $ 650 a year. You need a better job, not a different President!
Really now?? I am self employed and exceed every guideline in the program. I have to pay the max. I need to quit my job and go on government assistance. Then free food, healthcare, phone, and probably a lot more benefits.
#whatabout
ChilliJon posted:So the markets drop on Thursday. Fox News was quick to tell us the markets dropped due to the attack in Barcelona. Barcelona attack took place at 5:20pm Barcelona time. Wich is 11:20am in NY. The markets opened down on Thursday based on speculation key White Economists (Gary Cohn) were considering jumping off the SS Trump after his press conference on Tuesday. What Fox ran with is completely and totally false.
But again. If your opinion of what you see and understand is swayed by the opinion of any media outlet you are doing yourself a monumental disservice. There is no reason, in 2017, that you can't get factual information of what's really happening in America right now. On your own. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, NYT are not your freinds. Information is. And real, meaningful, useful information is everywhere.
I wish i could turn on cnn, msnbc, fox, or read the Times or posts and get the same political reporting that I get from those sources when a tsunami hits or tragedy hits somewhere in the world. The bias from all those sources for political coverage is sickening. Chris Matthews saying oh Jesus when Trump was elected or claiming he had a tickle up his leg when Obama was elected is uncalled for. Van Jones is a disenguous pos. The week before the election he spent time with voters in Pennsylvania and they shared why they supported Trump. He acted all understanding and the night of the election he cries "WHITELASH". And then acts all indignant about Trump and Russia only to say on tape, there is nothing to it. Who can give these jerks any credibility?
Floridarob posted:I need to quit my job and go on government assistance. Then free food, healthcare, phone, and probably a lot more benefits.
I hear this one a lot. My wife and I cross paths with folks on gov't assistance a lot, not once have I ever, even a little bit, envied their position in life. On the other hand, there is probably a CEO out there swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck who is pleased as a peach people are blaming poor folk for their premiums going up.
"Van Jones is a disenguous pos. The week before the election he spent time with voters in Pennsylvania and they shared why they supported Trump. He acted all understanding and the night of the election he cries "WHITELASH"
Thats right Floridarob.
But if someone on Foxnews tries this with the colors flipped, riots and statues. Riots and statues.
Gdog posted:Henry posted:You roll with it. I have my own reasons for disavowing Centrists and none of them have buzzwords or dog whistles.
Great. Pay your taxes and have an opinion. Ain't this country great?
Don't forget bitch slapping cowards. That's a big one.
Other than that your response makes no sense at all. You two clowns are just flailing like the wastes of humanity that you are.
Floridarob posted:Henry posted:Gdog posted:Exactly. Obamacare was designed to fail in order to force the single payer system.
Oh it's coming but not for the tripe reasons you trot out.
Hi, I'm Trump who has a disgusting history of inflammatory rhetoric and openly calls all facts "fake". Whatever could there be to report on.
Have you ever heard the expression, "Don't piss off a person who buys ink by the barrel"?
It is amazing how you call out anything Trump may say as "fact" as fake but I doubt you would find it in yourself to say anything against the fake news the CNNs, MSNBC Washington Post, Or NYTimes reports have spewed for the past year. Dont say anything to affect the resistence and media BIAS that has permeated the news. Russia, Russia, Russia....OMG, Jeff Sessions said hello to a russian embassary in front of 5000 people and that shows there was collusion. It is ridiculous as well as obsurd.
This entire paragraph has no point, no cohesion. Do you hear the words that come out of Trump's mouth? Do you think a regular Joe can't check facts without the news? You're a ****ing idiot if you think they can't.
Your continued ****ing squealing like Trump doesn't undo facts. You voted for and continue to support a trust fund failure who has no grasp on reality. None. Good call you ****ing wank.
Mueller is all a show except he isn't. FAKE NEWS! THE GUY DOESN'T EXIST! HILLARY SET IT UP!
I get my news from Forbes, The Economist, BBC and other reputable print as well as public radio/tv. The real news happens in the business section you god damn putz.
Oh yeah, hates crimes are up by 20% since Fukkstick Von Clownface was elected. Or did we forget the reason why a woman was murdered while protesting.
FAKE NEWS! BIAS! OBAMACARE! BENGHAZI!
Oh yeah, did we mention lazy ****ing white brats screaming "blood and soil"? Do you know what that is? Of course not because you two are ****ing toadies that can't even be honest with yourselves.
HEARSAY! Except it isn't when they are basically caught on tape.
You two twats can flail all you want. You support scum white nationalist with your bull**** denials.
It's black and white. You and that unhinged **** support supremacy. Did that make you two cupcakes uncomfortable?
This thread is great! Finally a political thread not filled with 30 Trump ballwashers
against a couple of middle of the roaders with common sense. !
I feel like this has gone from a nice civil conversation about what a colossal moron our president is and how it reflects the decline in American attention to gov't as well as the parties inability to find common ground for the good of the people.
In closing
