TT "settled" for Rodgers

Not bad. Further down this caught my attention.....

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There will be some lore about what Matthew Stafford did at the end of the Lions-Browns game, but it will be misguided. At a time when the NFL is trying to instill autonomy in the medical staffs and specialists to keep players from their natural instincts to want to play, Stafford defied four doctors and completed the game. Now his coach is joking about it and Stafford is a hero. I know this wasn’t a head injury – it was only a shoulder – but his blatant disregard for his team’s medical advice should not be celebrated….

Jesus on a stick....it was a helluva finish for Stafford. These guys play knowing they could get blown up on any play. It's a risk they are willing to take for crazy amounts of money. Too many guys out there who are only willing to do the bare minimum every week and pick up the big check. I sure as hell AM gonna celebrate a guy who has the balls to stay in and see the game to it's finish.

Agreed Yuck. However, I could see it being reckless if it was a head injury as you don't want to mess with that. Also add in if that if the medical staff was that adamant about him not entering the games, I'm sure they could have tried harder to restrain him.

What's interesting is a few years ago Favre got nailed against the Giants at Lambeau and came back in and through a TD pass he didn't remember throwing. Of course he was the gunslinger and loved the game. Maybe Stafford isn't and doesn't?

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Following that selection, the longest five hours of Rodgers’ life ensued in front of a live national television audience. As each pick passed, the ESPN cameras focused on Rodgers, who sat with agent Mike Sullivan in the green room.

I remember that vividly and it was painful to watch. I have to wonder if he came out of that experience with a chip on his shoulder that's served him well.

Knowing the TT we know now.. at the time I was expecting them to take Rodgers. It made complete sense. But knowing Ted as we do now, I was expecting him to take a Bustinesque player or trade the pick for a 2nd and a late 3rd.

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:

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Following that selection, the longest five hours of Rodgers’ life ensued in front of a live national television audience. As each pick passed, the ESPN cameras focused on Rodgers, who sat with agent Mike Sullivan in the green room.

I remember that vividly and it was painful to watch. I have to wonder if he came out of that experience with a chip on his shoulder that's served him well.

I think so, how could you not. He was the #1 rated QB most of the year in college and he had a pretty nice year at Cal as well. Being in Jeff Tedford's system got him the label as a product of the system like Kyle Boller. I think that stigma caused him to drop. Nothing he did or said. As I recall... not many teams were QB deficient with high picks either (or they thought they werent).

Sort of like the Bucks draft this year with Brandon Jennings... we hit the motherload with Aaron. It was an easy pick, but a pick i'd expect our Stop name-calling players/front office personnel GM to screw up.

According to the article, the Packers didn't "settle" for anything. AR was who they were going to take unless an offer came. None did so GB took him. That isn't "settling". That is making sure you know what your options are before taking a course of action - a wise thing to do when time affords the opportunity.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Knowing the TT we know now.. at the time I was expecting them to take Rodgers. It made complete sense. But knowing Ted as we do now, I was expecting him to take a Bustinesque player or trade the pick for a 2nd and a late 3rd.

WTF are you talking about? Now you're projecting what TT should have done so you could criticize him instead of talking about what he actually did? What a delusional putz.

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It was an easy pick, but a pick i'd expect our Stop name-calling players/front office personnel GM to screw up.

You have truly become a parody of yourself.

I know GoL. I think it's funny how many teams passed on the guy. The Vikes twice

It was the same thing this year with Raji & Crabtree.

Sometimes, the stupid just flows.

I think the dam broke on that round of stupid.

A year ago, Rodgers, after starting seven games for the Packers, was rewarded with a six-year contract worth $65 million, with $20 million guaranteed. Interestingly, the $20M added to his rookie-contract guarantee puts Rodgers just ahead of Smith in guaranteed money in his career, landing him right where he thought he should have been four years ago at the top of the draft.

Rodgers earned the Money and Smith was given it

Once Rodgers got past the first 7-8 picks I had a strong feeling that if he fell to GB the Packers would take him under the BPA philsophy. Sure enough, he lasted that long and thankfully GB selected him. From my perspective, the rest is history.

Sometimes you do get a little lucky and because as we've seen with a lot of draft picks over the years (guys like Warren Sapp and Randy Moss come to mind) sometimes a player fall for whatever reason.

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Originally posted by Boris:
I know GoL. I think it's funny how many teams passed on the guy. The Vikes twice

It was the same thing this year with Raji & Crabtree.

Crab looks like the real deal.

I love how logic is "stupid" when you don't agree with it. Ted is known for trading down. Ted traded up this year to select Clay Matthews, but let's be honest. He had to. Coming off a 14-4 season and running the team into the ground at 6-10... he had to make a "splash" and everyone knew he wouldnt in free agency. Other than that move, his track record is chalk full of trading down to acquire more picks (most of which are whiffs or stiffs). If it wasnt for the "perfect storm" in the draft that year which brought Rodgers nicely gift wrapped in our lap at 24 (let's face it.. if he was Ted's guy.. he would have 1. traded up for him earlier or 2. not played the I want to trade this pick game and wait till the last second) we would be in deep crap if the whole #4 saga played out the same way.

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:

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Originally posted by Boris:
I know GoL. I think it's funny how many teams passed on the guy. The Vikes twice

It was the same thing this year with Raji & Crabtree.

Crab looks like the real deal.

Yeah, but Raji looked pretty good against the 9ers too.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I love how logic is "stupid" when you don't agree with it.

Let's play the game, "Where's the logic?"

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Knowing the TT we know now.. at the time I was expecting them to take Rodgers. It made complete sense. But knowing Ted as we do now, I was expecting him to take a Bustinesque player or trade the pick for a 2nd and a late 3rd.

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It was an easy pick, but a pick i'd expect our Stop name-calling players/front office personnel GM to screw up.

Have you somehow mastered quantum physics and can superimpose a imaginary scenario onto events from the past? Where's the logic again?

Hell, I'd settle for, "Man, that was really stupid. This is what I really meant".

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I love how logic is "stupid" when you don't agree with it.

It's not stupid because I don't agree with it, it's stupid because it's stupid.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Ted is known for trading down.

Ted trades around... not down.

A couple of examples:
Traded a 2nd NEP for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Got a 2nd from DEN for WR Javon Walker; then traded to ATL with No. 139 (5th rd) for Nos. 47 (2nd), 93 (3rd) & 148 (5th)

There are more like this, go look it up.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
If it wasnt for the "perfect storm" in the draft that year which brought Rodgers nicely gift wrapped in our lap at 24 (let's face it.. if he was Ted's guy.. he would have 1. traded up for him earlier or 2. not played the I want to trade this pick game and wait till the last second) we would be in deep crap if the whole #4 saga played out the same way.

Rodgers also could have been another Tim Couch and I don't understand your point. He made the pick and it turned out to be a brilliant one.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
brought Rodgers nicely gift wrapped in our lap at 24

Was Rodgers "gift wrapped" at number 4 to Chicago? How about at #7 to Minnesota? #18 to Minnesota? Oakland at #23? Or is it only at #24 and beyond that he was gift wrapped?

Gift wrapped. Ah yes, because Thompson made the pick it was gift wrapped. Never mind the other 22 GMs that passed on this gift. Never mind TB passed on him, Minny twice, Chicago, Detroit, it goes on and on. Many of those teams had Rodgers "gift wrapped" and passed on the "gift". Out GM didn't. Yet accordingly to the moronic, our GM had a gift drop in his lap.

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(let's face it.. if he was Ted's guy.. he would have 1. traded up for him earlier or 2. not played the I want to trade this pick game and wait till the last second) we would be in deep crap if the whole #4 saga played out the same way.

You won't answer because you're a skirt, but, I'll try it anyway.

Which draft picks that Thompson made were "his guy" based on your idiotic theory that the only way to be "his guy" is to trade up for him, or not wait to see if other teams bowl him away with a trade?

Who are they? The list please. Out of all 51 draft choices, how many of those were "his guy"?

Speaking of playing pass, knowing what teams do now about Clay Matthews think he last's all the way to the late 20's if a draft Reduex was done?

But naw, what am I thinking, Matthews was simply gift wrapped for Ted.

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It was an easy pick,

So easy a caveman could do it. Too bad Geico hasn't changed it so easy a Diggy could do it.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I love how logic is "stupid" when you don't agree with it. Ted is known for trading down. Ted traded up this year to select Clay Matthews, but let's be honest. He had to. Coming off a 14-4 season and running the team into the ground at 6-10... he had to make a "splash" and everyone knew he wouldnt in free agency. Other than that move, his track record is chalk full of trading down to acquire more picks (most of which are whiffs or stiffs). If it wasnt for the "perfect storm" in the draft that year which brought Rodgers nicely gift wrapped in our lap at 24 (let's face it.. if he was Ted's guy.. he would have 1. traded up for him earlier or 2. not played the I want to trade this pick game and wait till the last second) we would be in deep crap if the whole #4 saga played out the same way.

2005 was TT's first draft as a general manager, so how was he "known for trading down"back then ? And don't even bring up his time in Seattle, b/c there is no way you knew his trade habits during the 2005 draft.

And by your "logic", every single player drafted after the first pick of the draft would be gift wrapped for the team drafting them. By your "logic", every year GM's should trade the boat to get "their guy" in the first round. If they don't do that, then their player was brought to them gift wrapped. Sounds pretty stupid to me. I guess by your rationale Collins, Jennings, Woodson, Pickett, Raji and Finley were all gifts to TT from the rest of the league.

Do you just imagine TT and his staff throwing darts at a dartboard during the season when they make personnel decisions?

Adrian Peterson was gift wrapped to the Vikes.

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
2005 was TT's first draft as a general manager, so how was he "known for trading down"back then ? And don't even bring up his time in Seattle, b/c there is no way you knew his trade habits during the 2005 draft.

And by your "logic", every single player drafted after the first pick of the draft would be gift wrapped for the team drafting them. By your "logic", every year GM's should trade the boat to get "their guy" in the first round. If they don't do that, then their player was brought to them gift wrapped. Sounds pretty stupid to me. I guess by your rationale Collins, Jennings, Woodson, Pickett, Raji and Finley were all gifts to TT from the rest of the league.

Do you just imagine TT and his staff throwing darts at a dartboard during the season when they make personnel decisions?

See Diggr, Now that's logic and that's a great post.

Pretty sad when Hindsight is 20/20 and yet some still need glasses and keep talkin out ther arse ...

Diggr:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6TDLuKgQ

diggr is chasing his beloved rainbows again

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
But knowing Ted as we do now, I was expecting him to take a Bustinesque player or trade the pick for a 2nd and a late 3rd.

I doubt you were. Rodgers was Thompson's first pick as the Packers GM. You had no idea what he was going to do.

I think it's safe to say that Rodgers wasn't the guy they had targeted with their first pick. It's just as safe to say that TT and the war room personnel were watching Rodgers with an eagle-eye, and adjusting their board with every pick.
I think it's intriguing to think that TT, once he began to see that picking Rodgers was a real possibility, had the balls to wait for the pick as opposed to making a deal to trade up to maybe the 15th or 20th position. Nerves of steel, IMO.
In any case, once he was there with our pick, it truly became a "no-brainer". 1st pick of the draft caliber at #24? I'd take that deal!

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
I love how logic is "stupid" when you don't agree with it.

You don't speak English very well, do you?

The only thing that matters is that TT pulled the trigger and got a franchise QB with the 24th pick. That's a move that even those that dislike him should be willing to give him credit for.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:

Jesus on a stick....

Hate to nitpick here, but Jesus actually beat satan with 2 sticks

I can idenitify with A-Rod. Lucky bastards slid ahead of me.

And now I'm paying for it just like the #1 overall.

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Originally posted by jerseycheese:

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:

Jesus on a stick....

Hate to nitpick here, but Jesus actually beat satan with 2 sticks

That's not very christian like.

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That's not very christian like.

That's because Jesus was a Jew, and it was much cheaper to invest in two sticks than an AK-47.

It would be interesting to resurrect some old internet forum threads that Jesus and Satan particpated in.

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Originally posted by Boris:
I know GoL. I think it's funny how many teams passed on the guy. The Vikes twice

It was the same thing this year with Raji & Crabtree.

I should have said that I don't think TT expected for AR to be there. But once he fell to that spot, TT took him.

Having said that, the local ESPN guys did a mock draft that I listened to and AR fell to number 26. They guest correctly that SF would take Smith. And another team or two that might need a QB would address other needs. They had GB taking someone else, but I forgot who.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
(let's face it.. if he was Ted's guy.. he would have 1. traded up for him earlier or 2. not played the I want to trade this pick game and wait till the last second)

I'm not sure any player is Ted's guy. It's all value vs position on the board and how it plays out. There weren't too many teams that needed/wanted a QB after the first 10 or so. The risk of losing Rodgers was fairly small after that. There's little need to trade up especially with all you'd have to give up to do so in the middle 1st round.

On your second point, of course you wait on a pick, even if you think you're getting a steal. Actually, *especially* if you think you're getting a steal. Some other team may feel the same, and want to jump ahead to grab him for value. Remember, Washington chose Jason Campbell at #25 that year. Rodgers would have went to the Redskins if we didn't take him. That's great for TT sitting at #24. Cleveland or TB could have gave up a boatload to move up 10 picks to get him. You have to wait to see if they are willing to do so before you pull the trigger. It's a win-win.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
It would be interesting to resurrect some old internet forum threads that Jesus and Satan particpated in.

Still looking for the threads with you and Jesus.