Ut, Oh ... We have another Dynasty brewing ...

trumpMember

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/s...-qb-for-next-dynasty

Um, OK.
No Lewis, No Reed or at least slipping, Suggs is on the downside, the RB is on the downside, Boldin is ?, Flacco was hot with the above pieces in place, the team was in disarray until OC's were changed mid-season ...

Do the math.

Stay tuned in the fall 2013 for the unveiling.

3/4/1310:51 AM

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IL_Pack_FanMember

I like that he compares the Ravens to the Pack in each of his key three areas - even admitting GB's advantage in the QB department - but still names them the safe bet as next dynasty.

3/4/1311:36 AM

TdogProspective Member

y'all know as well as I do there ain't no such thing as dynasties in the NFL no more, no more. they got the parity they wanted and the way the league is structured you'd have to catch the proverbial lightning in a bottle to even be a 2-3 year "dynasty".

3/4/1311:40 AM

IowacheeseKeen Insight

This is the only dynasty I am aware of

3/4/1311:46 AM

fightphoe93Member

At no point during the Ravens run did I sit there and think, "This is the next dynasty". Not with guys like Lewis, Suggs, and Reed all long in the tooth.

They'll be a contender for a long time, but they'll have more trouble repeating than the 2011 Packers did.

That 2011 Packer team had a golden opportunity. They had 20 starters coming back from the Super Bowl team plus others who had been injured. The lockout in the spring and summer gave an experienced team like the Pack an advantage over other teams that might have been implementing new systems, or had more player turnover than the Pack did. The fact that they couldn't repeat shows just how hard it is.

Look at the Giants. Great run to a title, then no playoffs the next year. Just shows how hard it really is to stay on top.

3/4/1312:28 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

There were a fluke 4th and 29 play away from not making the playoffs at all.

3/4/1312:38 PM

FedyaMember

quote:
Originally posted by Iowacheese:
This is the only dynasty I am aware of

{image snipped to avoid the silent killer}

How could you forget this dynasty

3/4/1312:39 PM

Winnebago WarriorMember

3/4/1312:39 PM

FandameMember

The only real dynasty in Baltimore remains Edgar Allen Poe. Without Lewis, probably Reed and Suggs, they are a good D and nothing more. Flacco is a good QB, but would you build your team around him? If Manning doesn't hand them that game in Favreian fashion, they lose. To say nothing of the other close scrapes.

This year was Baltimore's turn and that's all there is to it. Last year it was the Giants, and the year before GB.

No dynasties any more in the NFL. Everyone is too quick to jump on a "dynasty" bandwagon. It ain't gonna happen.

3/4/1312:49 PM

HerschelMember

quote:
Originally posted by Iowacheese:
This is the only dynasty I am aware of

Which one is Gimli's dad?

3/4/1312:51 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

@NFL_ATL
Flacco says he doesn't feel more pressure now. He says last year had more pressure.

As Andrew Brandt would say - Translation: I got my ring and my money...

3/4/1312:54 PM

MichiganPackerMember

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
There were a fluke 4th and 29 play away from not making the playoffs at all.

At least Rice made the play. If I recall correctly, the 2010 Packers don't make the playoffs if the Giants punter punts the ball out of bounds so that Desean Jackson of the Eagles doesn't return a punt for a TD as time expires.

3/4/1312:54 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

quote:
Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
If I recall correctly, the 2010 Packers don't make the playoffs if the Giants punter punts the ball out of bounds so that Desean Jackson of the Eagles doesn't return a punt for a TD as time expires.

The game was tied so the Eagles could have won in OT. Still a stupid play to kick to Jackson in that situation.

3/4/131:02 PM

TschmackMember

It's hard to say one Superbowl win in a decade qualifies any team as a dynasty. When I think of those teams, I think of the 60s Packers. The 70s Steelers. The 80s 49ers. The 90s Cowboys. Probably the 00s Patriots.

I think Baltimore is a good team, but as it as been proven the last few years the best team doesn't always win it if you subscribe to the W-L record during the regular season. A wire to wire champion in the NFL seems hard to find lately.

3/4/131:09 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

quote:
Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
There were a fluke 4th and 29 play away from not making the playoffs at all.

At least Rice made the play. If I recall correctly, the 2010 Packers don't make the playoffs if the Giants punter punts the ball out of bounds so that Desean Jackson of the Eagles doesn't return a punt for a TD as time expires.

I don't think that is correct.

I thought even when the Packers got their 6th loss, they still controlled their own destiny during the end of that season.

The Packers, Giants and Eagles were all 10-6. If Jackson doesn't score on that punt return, the Giants would have been 11-5 and in the playoffs but the Eagles would have been 9-7 and out of the playoffs. I think the Packers were in either way.

3/4/131:29 PM

HenryYou rang?

I respect Ozzie Newsome a bunch but this case appears to be more of "won it in the nick of time before the window slammed shut".

And as far as Flacco, he has always come off as a me first guy. The fact that the Ravens won a Superbowl is likely incidental to him scoring his payday. He doesn't feel any pressure because the money is in the bank.

3/4/131:32 PM

HerschelMember

"Dynasty" is a stupid term in regards to sports. In actual dynasties, the ruler changed while power was maintained. It didn't matter if one guy had a great run. A better "use" (but harder to qualify for)would maybe be the 80's 9rs who won Super Bowls with successive coaches and starting QBs with possibilities being the Steelers (Knox, Cowher, Mike), Cowboys (Landry, Johnson) and Packers (Favre, Rodgers).

3/4/131:41 PM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

you're a stupid term

3/4/131:42 PM

HerschelMember

Your mama dresses you funny.

3/4/131:42 PM

HenryYou rang?

Don't be that guy and I like muumuus.

3/4/131:43 PM

The HecklerMember

quote:
Originally posted by Tschmack:
It's hard to say one Superbowl win in a decade qualifies any team as a dynasty. When I think of those teams, I think of the 60s Packers. The 70s Steelers. The 80s 49ers. The 90s Cowboys. Probably the 00s Patriots.

The media is too quick to toss around the word dynasty these days. It is just my humble opinion but I find it very hard to believe we will really ever see a true dynasty again. The parity system is just set up to prevent it anymore.

3/4/132:19 PM

Timmy!TIMMAAAAYYY!!

I think you guys are reading that article wrong.
It's not "dynasty" like Ming, it's "die nasty", which is what they will likely do over the next 2-3 years.

3/4/134:28 PM

The CrusherMember

I think the Niners are in the best shape of any franchise.

Most of their players are young and under contract, they have a QB on the cheap with big upside and have 15 draft picks for 2013.

I hate them as well.

3/4/139:39 PM

lambeausouthMember

quote:
Flacco's still not at Aaron Rodgers' level as the NFL's best overall quarterback.

Nor will he ever be at Rodgers' level.

3/6/136:35 AM

fightphoe93Member

quote:
Originally posted by The Crusher:
I think the Niners are in the best shape of any franchise.

Most of their players are young and under contract, they have a QB on the cheap with big upside and have 15 draft picks for 2013.

I hate them as well.

On paper, they really look like they have a promising future. We'll see what they do with those draft picks, and it will be interesting to see if they make a play for Revis. They haven't won any Super Bowls, but certainly were darn close these past 2 years.

They have been mostly healthy these past 2 years, so that luck may not stay with them forever.

3/6/1310:02 AM

PackerRussDo I amuse you?!

quote:
Originally posted by fightphoe93:

They have been mostly healthy these past 2 years, so that luck may not stay with them forever.

As long as they stretch they'll be fine.

3/6/1310:09 AM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

Its all about injuries these days.

Who you have on paper only matters if they are on the field.

3/6/1310:11 AM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Its all about injuries these days.

No kidding, its really become a game of attrition and adding 2 more regular season games certainly won't help that

It also suggests that the current tactics by the GB front office are aligned with that reality - teams need depth to make it through a season and need a solid coaching staff to be able to get the youngsters ready for prime time quickly

When I look back on what they pulled off in 2010, wow. An 8-6 squad with 15 guys on IR bowed their backs and went all the way to another Title. Truly an amazing run

3/6/1310:31 AM

fightphoe93Member

quote:
Originally posted by Satori:
When I look back on what they pulled off in 2010, wow. An 8-6 squad with 15 guys on IR bowed their backs and went all the way to another Title. Truly an amazing run

Maybe even more amazing was the amount of guys that got hurt during the year that weren't on IR. You had Rodgers missing a game and a half. Matthews missed some games. Cullen Jenkins missed time, Pickett missed time, the list goes on and on.

2010 was so special, it almost can't be duplicated. The Giants had quite a few guys hurt in 2011, but I don't think it was near the level of what the Packers had.

3/6/131:17 PM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Craziest thing about 2010 are the key play/s guys made that they've never been able to duplicate following the final 5 games of that season.

Bears Game on January 2nd - Last game of the regular season. Charlie Peprah with the huge pick off Cutler in the end zone. Walden with 3 sacks and all kinds of pressure.

Philly - Wild Card game. Starks runs for 123 yards.

Atlanta - Sometimes a simple @ss kicking just happens.

Chicago - Aaron Rodgers hasn't made a tackle since??? I got nothing beyond that other than a Raji pick 6.

Pittsburg - Howard Green with what might be the last QB pressure he's ever had forces a pick 6. Zombo's sack forces a longer FG attempt that sails wide left and Peprah leads GB in tackles. Bush had a freaking INT!!!

Plays from players that nobody expected to see. And we haven't really seen it since.

IMO, 2010 overall is a spotlight on the LeRoy Butler-like security blanket that Nick Collins was for this teams defense. Having that last line of lock down defense let Dom unleash mayhem. I miss Nick.

3/6/138:11 PM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

3/6/138:42 PM

TroyMember

quote:
Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Craziest thing about 2010 are the key play/s guys made that they've never been able to duplicate following the final 5 games of that season.

Bears Game on January 2nd - Last game of the regular season. Charlie Peprah with the huge pick off Cutler in the end zone. Walden with 3 sacks and all kinds of pressure.

Philly - Wild Card game. Starks runs for 123 yards.

Atlanta - Sometimes a simple @ss kicking just happens.

Chicago - Aaron Rodgers hasn't made a tackle since??? I got nothing beyond that other than a Raji pick 6.

Pittsburg - Howard Green with what might be the last QB pressure he's ever had forces a pick 6. Zombo's sack forces a longer FG attempt that sails wide left and Peprah leads GB in tackles. Bush had a freaking INT!!!

Plays from players that nobody expected to see. And we haven't really seen it since.

IMO, 2010 overall is a spotlight on the LeRoy Butler-like security blanket that Nick Collins was for this teams defense. Having that last line of lock down defense let Dom unleash mayhem. I miss Nick.

Yeah, I do to. This defense hasn't been the same since his injury.

3/7/139:18 AM

FandameMember

Question: Would TT have overhauled the secondary if Collins were still playing?

I think Collins' injury forced TT to upgrade the entire secondary, not just bring in a new safety. Woodson's age may have factored into that, as well as Bush's general suckiness back there. But, with a healthy Collins some of the holes weren't as evident because he was such a good game manager and safety. When Collins went down, that meant TT had to do wholesale changes. And that might work out for the best in the long run. Bringing in those young guys at least rejuvenated Shields!

3/7/139:57 AM

CUPackFanMember

I don't think Collins' injury caused the overhaul. It may have pushed TT to draft McMillian, but TT has always made a point of drafting DB's each year knowing that you can never have too many good ones. Other than Hayward, none of the other DB's were taken higher than the second. If he was really 'overhauling' the secondary, I think we would have seen higher picks selected.

I could be wrong, but isn't Collins the highest TT has ever drafted a DB? I think TT realizes that DB is a hard position to evaluate at the top of the draft, thus prefers to draft a lot of them and develop them. He missed with Lee, Hawkins, and Rouse, but seems to have hit on House, Hayward and Burnett. I bet he drafts a DB in the first 5 rounds again this year.

3/7/1310:41 AM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
2010 overall is a spotlight on the LeRoy Butler-like security blanket that Nick Collins was for this teams defense. Having that last line of lock down defense let Dom unleash mayhem. I miss Nick.

Me too. Tomlin also mentioned Nick Collins extensively before the Super Bowl. I was so bummed when he got hurt

3/7/1311:58 AM

fightphoe93Member

Well, that dynasty already is crumbling. No more Ellerbe, Kruger, or Boldin. Likely to lose Ed Reed and Ray Lewis is retiring. That's not going to be easy to overcome. Chris Canty can't make up for all those losses.

3/12/1310:29 PM

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