Henry posted:Is there a game this week?
no. Go get your nails done.....enjoy!
I love Favre. Hated that he went to Minnesota. Rooted against him. Been out of the league for a while now. He's a Packer. Always was, always will be. And a great one at that.
I get why some don't agree. And that's fine.
Dave in GA posted:Who remembers him as a Viking though.
Just look around at the crowd at a viking game...lots of number 4 jerseys....too many..but thats queens fans for you......Morons
They have to wear # 4 jerseys. All of their Super Bowl Championship t-shirts went to 3rd world countries!
PackLandVA posted:He's a Packer. Always was, always will be.
Except when he intentionally wasn't.
Pakrz posted:salamander posted:PAKRZ is always 100% correct.
FTFY.
Can you be high 24/7? I guess it's possible.
Pakrz posted:I mean, there's nothing wrong with eating dicks... AMIRIGHT???
Dick sammich. Brings a whole new meaning to "shoot you in the face".
Henry posted:Pakrz posted:salamander posted:PAKRZ is always 100% correct.
FTFY.
Can you be high 24/7? I guess it's possible.
Sure. That is if you are in a plane with refueling capability.
ChilliJon posted:Pakrz posted:You do NOT "**** Brett Favre." You spoiled cocksuckers....
The man gave everything he had to the organization for nearly two decades. The ending was horrible, but it doesn't erase the many great years he brought to the team.
Brett Favre is arguably the greatest Packer in franchise history.
Dumb****s.
STFU with with Favre arguably being the greatest Packer in Franchise history. Jeezus man. Pull yourself together. Bart Starr, Reggie White, Don Hutson, Jim Taylor, Ray Nitschke, Forrest Gregg, Tony Canadeo.
Arguably the greatest Packer ever?!?!?!?!?!? For **** sakes man Rodgers might have more SB wins and SB MVPs when it's all over.
**** Brett Favre with a white hot fireplace poker.
He was a great player despite his MANY moronic interceptions. He thought he was bigger than the team and therefore I would never consider him a great Packer. I still feel he cost the team more championships than he brought home. He's a Viking POS to me. F*** him.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:Henry posted:Pakrz posted:salamander posted:PAKRZ is always 100% correct.
FTFY.
Can you be high 24/7? I guess it's possible.
Sure. That is if you are in a plane with refueling capability.
Engineer jokes are pretty close to Dad jokes.
Pakrz posted:I like Favre. One of the greatest Packers ever.
Eat a dick if you don't like it.
He was one of the best Packers ever to me and he was one of the reasons our team became relevant again. I was a huge fan of his and enjoyed every moment he played in GB because I remembered how horrendous the QB situation was previously.
BUT that all changed when he weaseled his way to the Spermheads. The endless will he retire or won't he retire B.S. and the attitude he was beyond the team ended it for me.
I honestlly laughed out loud when the Saints pummelled him in that playoff game and he threw the INT to hose their chances. Seriously him.
13X posted:ChilliJon posted:Boris posted:The Vikings didn't really bother me until the Herschel Walker trade. That's when the loathing started. Those A-Holes basically gift wrapped Emmitt Smith to the Cokeboys (instead of Green Bay) along with 3 Super Bowl's.
The Favre thing (which was 100% tampering) cemented it.
F*** the Vikings from here to eternity.
There is an awful lot to be said about this specific to Favre parading himself around as a lifetime Packer legend.
NBC sports ran a segment of âDa Bearsâ guys from SNL with Favre in Packer gear before last weeks game. Scripted nonsense.
I swear to God if Bill Swerski went off script and asked Favre, âHold on a second almighty Packer savior. Didnât you tell a Bears player to go beat the Packers while you were dressed as a Viking?â that clip would have ****ed Favre to millions that donât get what a turncoat POS he actually was.
Agree- Favre is a turncoat overrated POS that shouldn't have been allowed to retire as a Packer. One of the biggest drama queens to ever wear the green and gold. Playoff choker
I still feel he gave that Super Bowl to Elway on purpose, much the same way he gave Strahan the sack title. Favre was a League guy more than he was a Packer guy.
Dave in GA posted:Henry posted:Is there a game this week?
no. Go get your nails done.....enjoy!
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PackLandVA posted:I love Favre. Hated that he went to Minnesota. Rooted against him. Been out of the league for a while now. He's a Packer. Always was, always will be. And a great one at that.
I get why some don't agree. And that's fine.
Donât come in here and not be a jerk.
You jerk.
13X posted:He was a great player despite his MANY moronic interceptions. He thought he was bigger than the team and therefore I would never consider him a great Packer. I still feel he cost the team more championships than he brought home. He's a Viking POS to me. F*** him.
Favre was still a great Packer and they would not have won the 1997 Super Bowl without him. Sure he had a gigantic ego, but almost any successful NFL QB (or any player for that matter, but especially a QB) has to in order to succeed. Bart Starr is one of the few exceptions. A lot of great QBs make behind the scenes moves that are bad for the team but good for them toward the end of their careers (think Tom Brady forcing Kraft to trade away Garappalo a couple of years ago).
They should have won more in the late 90s/early 2000s, but the blame for that should be placed on Mike Holmgren and Ron Wolf.
If Holmgren doesn't have one foot out the door in 1997 and 1998, I think they beat Denver in the Super Bowl. They would have still had to adjust to Randy Moss's arrival in 1998, but it was clear Holmgren was checked out. Favre under Holmgren from 1995-1997 was the best QB I've ever seen. Without Holmgren, he became a better version of Jay Cutler or Jeff George.
Ron Wolf also deserves blame for 2 reasons. First, if he had any inkling he was going to retire in 2000, there should have been a succession plan to give Holmgren more power and allow him to stay (unless Paul Allen's money was the real reason he left). Second, the fact that he let the PC police prevent him from hiring Andy Reid (because he would have had to pass over Sherm Lewis to do it) and instead hired Ray Rhodes as a head coach basically tanked an entire season.
ChilliJon posted:Pakrz posted:You do NOT "**** Brett Favre." You spoiled cocksuckers....
The man gave everything he had to the organization for nearly two decades. The ending was horrible, but it doesn't erase the many great years he brought to the team.
Brett Favre is arguably the greatest Packer in franchise history.
Dumb****s.
STFU with with Favre arguably being the greatest Packer in Franchise history. Jeezus man. Pull yourself together. Bart Starr, Reggie White, Don Hutson, Jim Taylor, Ray Nitschke, Forrest Gregg, Tony Canadeo.
Arguably the greatest Packer ever?!?!?!?!?!? For **** sakes man Rodgers might have more SB wins and SB MVPs when it's all over.
**** Brett Favre with a white hot fireplace poker.
Favre is easily in the conversation of greatest Packer ever. Donât be dumb.
I think Favre just got fed up with the all talk/no action of the late 90s/early 00s. After the SuperBowl team eroded away, Favre knew the Packers weren't shit without him. They had their chance to get Moss before the 07 season (21Million in cap space available) but NE got him instead (for a 4th round draft choice and only after massaging their cap to fit his contract in.).
He was petulant at times and he certainly didn't have the sentimental loyalty to the franchise that fans project onto players. I think Favre went to Minnesota because he thought he could win another SB there. He was nearly right. He just didn't know he would be the roadblock, as he'd been before.
everyone's got their favorites and feelings. do we really need to go down this road again?
mrtundra posted:I still feel he gave that Super Bowl to Elway on purpose, much the same way he gave Strahan the sack title. Favre was a League guy more than he was a Packer guy.
Favre was certainly the primary reason they became a force in the 90s and eventually won a title. But I do agree with the idea that he should also then bear the same responsibility against the Eagles in 2004 and Giants in 2007. Maybe Dallas in 1995. He made mind numbing mistakes in those games (mostly critical INTs) that really hurt their chances to win.
My take on Favre has always been that for every big win heâs generated heâs had an equally big loss. Especially in the playoffs.
The other thing is heâs damn lucky he came up before smart phone technology existed because his shenanigans and off the field drama would certainly have been a major distraction and he would have been all over TMZ and You Tube. I think the team and players helped him sweep a lot of shit under the rug.
salamander posted:Man, you guys really hate the Vikings. I suppose it goes both ways.
BORDER BATTLE TIME! Woo hoo! I'm very worried about Rodgers. Been saying he's gonna return to form for 2 years now. Its gonna happen. Probably this season.
Whoa, what's this? A Viking fan that doesn't suck? When is the last time we had one of those here? Or have we ever? I really can't remember one.
Just tell me you aren't here as a proxy for Jaymo or Brown Paper Suck.
Something I heard on the radio today that was pretty interesting. 33% of Rodgers pass targets went to TE's vs. the Bears. I wonder if there's been a game post Jermichael Finley where the TE's were targeted that much. Results weren't great but it was the Bears defense and first game in this new scheme. LaFluffer is clearly serious about using the TE's. How does the Vikings defense typically handle TE's? I know it's been a real weak spot for the Packers for like a billion years.
I almost crapped when Mercedes Lewis caught the ball and picked up a quick 9 yards. How awesome was that?
Timpranillo posted:mrtundra posted:I still feel he gave that Super Bowl to Elway on purpose, much the same way he gave Strahan the sack title. Favre was a League guy more than he was a Packer guy.
FAvre was a ME guy more than anything else. And still is.I think we all learned that ol "Aw Shucks Man, I just want to play ball" was just an act. It just took some of us longer to see than others.
YATittle posted:I almost crapped when Mercedes Lewis caught the ball and picked up a quick 9 yards. How awesome was that?
3 targets and 2 catches. That's his entire 2018 season in 1 game!
AND Graham got our only TD. If we can just work Tonyan into the mix....
Im really excited to see the Defense this week against an upgrade in competition. I think the improvement level will really be clear after Sunday.
After last week, hope the guys arent "Pettine themselves on the back too hard"
ZDS is going to pin cousins to the ground faster than Blair Kiel at a family reunion
eh, thats all I got
The Heckler posted:Pakrz posted:I like Favre. One of the greatest Packers ever.
Eat a dick if you don't like it.
He was one of the best Packers ever to me and he was one of the reasons our team became relevant again. I was a huge fan of his and enjoyed every moment he played in GB because I remembered how horrendous the QB situation was previously.
BUT that all changed when he weaseled his way to the Spermheads. The endless will he retire or won't he retire B.S. and the attitude he was beyond the team ended it for me.
I honestlly laughed out loud when the Saints pummelled him in that playoff game and he threw the INT to hose their chances. Seriously
him.
What a great game. F*** Favre forever. I cheered so loudly that day.
Tschmack posted:Favre was certainly the primary reason they became a force in the 90s and eventually won a title. But I do agree with the idea that he should also then bear the same responsibility against the Eagles in 2004 and Giants in 2007. Maybe Dallas in 1995. He made mind numbing mistakes in those games (mostly critical INTs) that really hurt their chances to win.
My take on Favre has always been that for every big win heâs generated heâs had an equally big loss. Especially in the playoffs.
The other thing is heâs damn lucky he came up before smart phone technology existed because his shenanigans and off the field drama would certainly have been a major distraction and he would have been all over TMZ and You Tube. I think the team and players helped him sweep a lot of shit under the rug.
Agreed-
He's pretty shady and a complete fake.
Floridarob posted:Timpranillo posted:mrtundra posted:I still feel he gave that Super Bowl to Elway on purpose, much the same way he gave Strahan the sack title. Favre was a League guy more than he was a Packer guy.
FAvre was a ME guy more than anything else. And still is.I think we all learned that ol "Aw Shucks Man, I just want to play ball" was just an act. It just took some of us longer to see than others.
Minor point, but I think the "Aw Shucks Man, I just want to play ball" is authentic Favre. "I", "want", and "play" pretty much define him.
WolfPack posted:Im really excited to see the Defense this week against an upgrade in competition. I think the improvement level will really be clear after Sunday.
After last week, hope the guys arent "Pettine themselves on the back too hard"
ZDS is going to pin cousins to the ground faster than Blair Kiel at a family reunion
eh, thats all I got
Hateful âĒ
Plus, my second cousin growing-up (Janet) was hot as Hell.
Anyone that credits Favre for returning the Packers to relevancy is doing a monumental disservice to Bob Harlan. Harlan pretty much single handedly pulled GB out of the trash bin. Convinced Wolf to become GM. Built the Hutson center (1st indoor practice facility in the NFL) . Renovated Lambeau. Moved all home games to Lambeau.
That man deserves a statue next to Curly and Vince
Floridarob posted:Timpranillo posted:mrtundra posted:I still feel he gave that Super Bowl to Elway on purpose, much the same way he gave Strahan the sack title. Favre was a League guy more than he was a Packer guy.
FAvre was a ME guy more than anything else. And still is.I think we all learned that ol "Aw Shucks Man, I just want to play ball" was just an act. It just took some of us longer to see than others.
There's a chasm the size of the the Kuiper Belt between "Hey look a professional athlete that is one of the best to play has a massive ego" and "HE ****ING THREW THE SUPER BOWL SO JOHN ELWAY COULD WIN" Christ.
And that's ignoring the reality that, every athlete good enough to play professionally is concerned about themselves FAR more than "DA TEAM"
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Look, I was angry with Favre for his BS just like anyone else. And If you asked me about this in 2009 I'd have still been seething about him.
But pretending he wasn't one of the greatest players in franchise and NFL history is just flat out nuts. Was he perfect? No. But for 4-5 years there wasn't anyone better and it wasn't even close. Pretending a guy I watched spit up blood against Pittsburgh and went out there multiple times with injuries that us couch potatoes would cry about for months had zero concern about trying to win is just plain ****ing stupid.
No one has to love Favre, but this narrative that he 1) wasn't ****ing great for the Green Bay Packers and 2) he didn't want to win is just wrong. It's flat out historical revisionism.
Watching the all 22. Preston Smith might have been the best defensive player on the field in Chicago a week ago. For either defense. He was incredibly active. Set the edge perfectly. Disruptive. 1.5 sacks. Constant pressure. He was really good.
Agree.
Somewhere saw a review of significant plays and he was so obviously the best player on the field.
I believe the following two statements are accurate.
1. Brett Favre was GREAT as a Packer.
2. Brett Fave was a GREAT big Dick to the Packers.
Same guy. His choice. I often wonder about how things with Favre and GB were altered by the Monday night game in Oakland in December 2003. Favre and GB were kind of a tiring NFL story in 2003 with the emergence of Brady and Belichick. That game rocketed Favre back to the front of the line in legend status. Nothing was really ever the same with Favre and GB after that season.
ChilliJon posted:Anyone that credits Favre for returning the Packers to relevancy is doing a monumental disservice to Bob Harlan. Harlan pretty much single handedly pulled GB out of the trash bin. Convinced Wolf to become GM. Built the Hutson center (1st indoor practice facility in the NFL) . Renovated Lambeau. Moved all home games to Lambeau.
That man deserves a statue next to Curly and Vince
He sure does deserve a statue outside Lambeau. It is forgotten sometimes what a huge dumpster fire the Packers were after Lombardi (with about 3 seasons of hope mixed in). Before Harlan I never would have thought the Packers would be making the playoffs much less contending every year or winning Super Bowls.
A lot of credit goes to Wolf, Holmgren, Favre, and Reggie but the ultimate credit has to go to Harlan
Tschmack posted:Favre was certainly the primary reason they became a force in the 90s and eventually won a title. But I do agree with the idea that he should also then bear the same responsibility against the Eagles in 2004 and Giants in 2007. Maybe Dallas in 1995. He made mind numbing mistakes in those games (mostly critical INTs) that really hurt their chances to win.
My take on Favre has always been that for every big win heâs generated heâs had an equally big loss. Especially in the playoffs.
The other thing is heâs damn lucky he came up before smart phone technology existed because his shenanigans and off the field drama would certainly have been a major distraction and he would have been all over TMZ and You Tube. I think the team and players helped him sweep a lot of shit under the rug.
Favre might have been as good as anyone at giving mediocre teams a chance to win. He would elevate a 6 win team to 10 wins just because of his talent and willingness to take risks that the weaker team in a matchup needs to in order to optimize chances of winning. Rodgers weakness is that he won't take risks. He'd rather make sure he doesn't "lose" the game by throwing a pick 6.
Favre also might have been better than any QB in history at causing elite 12 to 14 win teams to lose games they could have won by taking chances when he didn't have to. The contrast is Rodgers who might be the best QB in NFL history for that scenario. I'm hard pressed to remember many games that Rodgers "lost" by making risky decisions.
A good analogy for Favre would be a coach that went for it on 4th down and lot and onside kicked a lot. If you have the weaker team that's the kind of stuff you do to steal possessions. If you are the stronger team, you don't need to do that as much. Trying to throw a ball between 3 defenders triple covering a receiver would fit that model.
Tschmack posted:
The other thing is heâs damn lucky he came up before smart phone technology existed because his shenanigans and off the field drama would certainly have been a major distraction and he would have been all over TMZ and You Tube. I think the team and players helped him sweep a lot of shit under the rug.
I agree that Favre is very lucky he didn't live in the social media age, but he's far from the only one and probably not anywhere near the worst example.
James Lofton, Paul Hornung, Max McGee, Eddie Lee Ivery, and a host of others would be in deep trouble. According to my great-grandparents (who lived in Green Bay and were the same age), Curly Lambeau was maybe the worst offender.
"Whoa, what's this? A Viking fan that doesn't suck? When is the last time we had one of those here? Or have we ever? I really can't remember one."
Back in the day Big Purple Guy and Crash Often were pretty decent viking fans who posted here. I think I got their screen names correct? But over the years there have been very few.