I thought all TDs and turnovers were reviewed now by default.
I guess it depends on the definition of "review".
Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Simultaneous possession.
quote:Originally posted by GusBob:
GratefulPack On any other Tuesday I would tend to agree with you. MNF has been real bad with flags flying in the past. But this is bigger than that. Even NBA players are tweeting no more NFL games for them.
The leagues actions and lack of action caused this strike which led to these debacles. The league cant stand by their decisions and these refs both. What are they gonna say?
"We stand behind the replacements referees&all their calls. We believe the integrity of the game is a solid as it ever was. Once cooler heads prevail the fans, coaches, and players will have to realize that these refs are as good as it gets"
The striking refs are all shopping for time share condos in Hawaii today, they are gonna end up the winners
I understand the outrage and have for the most part been impressed by the Packers show of character in this situation. The interesting thing is that this labor dispute is not all black and white. I was behind the players in theirs and I think the refs should be highly compensated as in life you usually get what you pay for, but some of the work rules that league wants seem to be with an eye towards improving the game.
I called the commish-left him my good cheers from Florida.
I missed a few hours of sleep, spent the bit I did get having nightmares while tossing and turning. If the NFL comes out and tries to justify what happened last night, I will seriously consider not watching next week.
Any chance they can explain the PI on Shields? Or the Roughing call on Walden?
Watching "First Take" on ESPN. They showed the final play in slow mo, in it's entirety.
Eric Mangini pointed out that the Seahawks blocked Perry in the back, basically shoved him to the ground. So not only did they miss the offensive pass interference on Tate when he pushed Shields to the ground, and the catch by Jennings, they whiffed on Nick Perry getting shoved to the ground.
The refs completely failed on this play.
Eric Mangini pointed out that the Seahawks blocked Perry in the back, basically shoved him to the ground. So not only did they miss the offensive pass interference on Tate when he pushed Shields to the ground, and the catch by Jennings, they whiffed on Nick Perry getting shoved to the ground.
The refs completely failed on this play.
"It was an interception from start to finish"-Skip Bayless.
Even the Packer hater is calling it correctly.
Even the Packer hater is calling it correctly.
quote:1.It was not dual possession
Good point. Seemed to me that some time AFTER the INT was already made (read: Jennings has possession with both hands and arms on the ball and it is cradled against his chest), the defender HAS ONE ARM AROUND THE BALL.
I figure if I ingested enough hallucinogens, I might be able to make the same call.
Then again, I wouldn't know it was a football game, or what town I was in, or my wife's name, or if I even have a wife, or, or...
Just un-freekin-believable.
Simultaneous possession in the end zone can be reviewed. That's an important distinction that many in the media have not made since Elliott went under the hood.
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the NFL officiating supervisor, former ref Phil Luckett, were speaking to Elliott while he was looking at the different angles of the replay.
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the NFL officiating supervisor, former ref Phil Luckett, were speaking to Elliott while he was looking at the different angles of the replay.
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The NFL has admitted to officiating errors in the past, but I have a sick feeling that it will be different this time because of the negotiations. The bosses always try to get behind their scabs in these situations, no matter how awful they perform. To do anything less is basically admitting that you need the real guys to come back.
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Now, as to the replay: Let's be clear about what can and can't be reviewed. Simultaneous possession between the goal lines cannot be reviewed. Simultaneous possession in the end zone can be reviewed. That's an important distinction that many in the media have not made since Elliott went under the hood.
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Yet another addition to the ridiculousness that occured last night. They don't even know the fu***** rules.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Stewart Scott, wonky eye and all, thought the PI on Shields was an incredibly poor call, and baffling at the time. Can they adress that one as well?
To be fair, he was probably seeing both sides of the field at the same time.
BTW, in addition to the absolute mugging casinos and betting venues took in from countless gamblers who got f'ed over, fun fact being discussed in WI:
If this loss causes GB to miss the playoffs OR miss the opportunity to play at Lambeau, the estimated loss the Packers would sustain is 2-3 million dollars. For a single playoff game.
So yes, beyond every other reason to be beyond pissed off this literally could cost the Packers millions.
If this loss causes GB to miss the playoffs OR miss the opportunity to play at Lambeau, the estimated loss the Packers would sustain is 2-3 million dollars. For a single playoff game.
So yes, beyond every other reason to be beyond pissed off this literally could cost the Packers millions.
quote:the NFL officiating supervisor, former ref Phil Luckett, were speaking to Elliott while he was looking at the different angles of the replay.
Phil Luckett is the officiating supervisor? Good Lord...
@JeffDarlington
NFL: "The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today & supports decision not to overturn on-field ruling following replay review."
The @NFL concludes, "The result of the game is final."
NFL: "The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today & supports decision not to overturn on-field ruling following replay review."
The @NFL concludes, "The result of the game is final."
From Packerboi:
"BTW, in addition to the absolute mugging casinos and betting venues took in from countless gamblers who got f'ed over, fun fact being discussed in WI:
If this loss causes GB to miss the playoffs OR miss the opportunity to play at Lambeau, the estimated loss the Packers would sustain is 2-3 million dollars. For a single playoff game.
So yes, beyond every other reason to be beyond pissed off this literally could cost the Packers millions."
Thats not really fair to say ... it was only the 3rd game, the Packers destiny is in the Packs hands.
And the refs, and Goodells, and the owners ...
"BTW, in addition to the absolute mugging casinos and betting venues took in from countless gamblers who got f'ed over, fun fact being discussed in WI:
If this loss causes GB to miss the playoffs OR miss the opportunity to play at Lambeau, the estimated loss the Packers would sustain is 2-3 million dollars. For a single playoff game.
So yes, beyond every other reason to be beyond pissed off this literally could cost the Packers millions."
Thats not really fair to say ... it was only the 3rd game, the Packers destiny is in the Packs hands.
And the refs, and Goodells, and the owners ...
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
@JeffDarlington
NFL: "The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today & supports decision not to overturn on-field ruling following replay review."
The @NFL concludes, "The result of the game is final."
Yep. Obvious
@JeffDarlington
NFL does say offensive pass interference should have been called against Tate, "which would have ended game." So yes, the Packers got hosed.
NFL does say offensive pass interference should have been called against Tate, "which would have ended game." So yes, the Packers got hosed.
wow big surprise
On vacation and just got internet so if this has been addressed, excuse me...
It almost seems like the league could reverse this after watching ESPN. I doubt they will but the circumstances allow for this. There wasn't any time on the clock so the game would be over. Wishful thinking but if the league had a set, they could do it and list two pages of disclaimers on how this is a one time thing.
It almost seems like the league could reverse this after watching ESPN. I doubt they will but the circumstances allow for this. There wasn't any time on the clock so the game would be over. Wishful thinking but if the league had a set, they could do it and list two pages of disclaimers on how this is a one time thing.
Go back to vacation... you are making less sense than ever.
The NFL: "You didn't see what you saw. Thanks for watching!"
ESPN just said the league says the decision is final. 
I was planning a camping trip with some friends in a few weekends. This AM they settled on the date, Oct 19th-21st. I tell my wife and she gets this look on her face (she is getting ready for work). She vanishes and comes back a few minutes later with my birthday present...tickets to the Packers @Rams on that same weekend with GREAT seats on the Packers side of the field. I am still sick over last night so it's hard to be excited.quote:Originally posted by LarseeBear:
There's not enough salt to make it worse.
!!!FUKK YOU ROGER GOODELL FOR RUINING MY BIRTHDAY SURPRISE!!!
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Go back to vacation... you are making less sense than ever.
If you read between the lines of my wishful thinking you will find nuggets of jeenyus.
quote:NFL: "When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball."
Too bad that wasn't even the case. Even if it was, it was clear as day that Jennings caught the ball in the air and had possession. You can't just get joint possession of the ball after the fact. Tate never had possession of it period, in the air OR on the ground
@JeffDarlington
NFL clarifies that the play -- including who had possession -- was reviewable: "In endzone, ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable."
So they are agreeing with the simultaneous possession crap.
NFL clarifies that the play -- including who had possession -- was reviewable: "In endzone, ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable."
So they are agreeing with the simultaneous possession crap.
quote:If the shoe was on the other foot and the packers had benefited. No way I could feel happy or good about it.
Agree. First time I ever felt this way about the NFL. Every other sport has had this kind of crap happen & it finally happened in the NFL.
If I didn't like all of you I would be shutting down x4 because, honestly, what is there to talk about?
How can a Packer fan watch another game and support this crap?
SHOCKING ! 
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
@JeffDarlington
NFL: "The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today & supports decision not to overturn on-field ruling following replay review."
The @NFL concludes, "The result of the game is final."
quote:So they are agreeing with the simultaneous possession crap.
what else did you expect?
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
@JeffDarlington
NFL: "The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today & supports decision not to overturn on-field ruling following replay review."
Of course not.
NFL covering it's ass. They screwed up, and they're sidestepping their F up.
Boris ,if you go to the NFL draft next year kick Goodel in the nuts for me would ya? Thanks
quote:Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.
NFL saying they support the decision not to overturn the call but never say if it was the CORRECT call(it wasn't)