Week 4 - All 22 images

"Josh Allen is bad, like really bad"
but he was good enough to beat the queens! 

but, yes, what a horrible performance by him.  I just kept saying all day "rookie".  haven't seen a guy so far off the mark at Lambeau since...   well, last year and hundley. 

Thanks for working this up BD

Ditto, thanks much!

Tdog posted:

but, yes, what a horrible performance by him.  I just kept saying all day "rookie".  haven't seen a guy so far off the mark at Lambeau since...   well, last year and hundley. 

His internal clock is worse then Hundley. Allen was sensing pressure that simply wasn't there OR was there but he still had another 1-2 seconds to make his reads and throw it. He also doesn't step into his throws. At all. That's really weird. 

What a great post.  Hats of, BD.

Yeah, so, Marcedes.  He HAS been playing.  And sealing off running lanes like an all pro OL.  I am still holding out hope that MM is saving his pass catching skills for later in the season, keep it off tape.

Yeah, I was watching for Lewis Sunday. It seemed like the majority of his snaps happened when Aaron Jones was in the game. I'd like to see a heavy dose of that vs the Lions terrible run defense. 

Rodgers says Adams needs more targets in the presser and the media blames MM.    Again, he had to be talking about himself.   This was 4th and 3 in 3rd quarter.  He's looking at a wide open Adams in a clean pocket, comes off it, almost throws a pick to the rookie.   Very un-Rodgers like. 

https://imgur.com/p8z72i9

Thanks so much for posting these.  Eye opening for those of us at the mercy of the network cameras. 

Would love to see what 35 was getting up to.  Looked like a strong game for him to me.

Re: Josh Allen. He was just intimidated because of the whole Lambeau mystique. Roaring crowd, etc. 

BrainDed posted:

Rodgers says Adams needs more targets in the presser and the media blames MM.    Again, he had to be talking about himself.   This was 4th and 3 in 3rd quarter.  He's looking at a wide open Adams in a clean pocket, comes off it, almost throws a pick to the rookie.   Very un-Rodgers like. 

https://imgur.com/p8z72i9

This.

BrainDed posted:

Just watched the All 22 and a couple things stood out to me. 

- Rodgers went pass on the RPO's a lot, but they worked for decent gains the vast majority of the time.   Pertaining to this game, I don't think it's fair to give MM crap for lack of run calls.

 

With 40 pass attempts and 32 rushing attempts, the Packers ran the ball about 44% of the offensive snaps.  I don't think it is fair either.  

BTW, did not the Cubs win the WS in 2016?

I've been of the opinion for quite some time now that 12 does what he wants.  His comments, Bulaga's comments, RPO calls.

12 has pretty much called MM out publicly.  And the film doesn't back him up.  MM hasn't done that to 12 yet.

Maybe he takes the high road, maybe he's chicken **** and would bench his ass if he wasn't Brett Favre, maybe he handles it like he should.  In private.

It's been aggressively lobbied that all you need to do is get a new defensive minded head coach and pretty much turn the OC job over to all world.

I'm not seeing any evidence to convince me of that.

But, as Pakrz recently chummed, it may be McCarthy's last year.  So maybe time will tell.

...but 5 of those are Rodgers, none designed.   So really it was 45 pass calls and 27 rushes.   So 37%.

That doesn't take into account RPO's at the line.   I would guess Rodgers went pass option on those 6 or 7 times and run 1 or 2.  

Brak posted:

I've been of the opinion for quite some time now that 12 does what he wants.  His comments, Bulaga's comments, RPO calls.

12 has pretty much called MM out publicly.  And the film doesn't back him up.  MM hasn't done that to 12 yet.

Maybe he takes the high road, maybe he's chicken **** and would bench his ass if he wasn't Brett Favre, maybe he handles it like he should.  In private.

It's been aggressively lobbied that all you need to do is get a new defensive minded head coach and pretty much turn the OC job over to all world.

I'm not seeing any evidence to convince me of that.

But, as Pakrz recently chummed, it may be McCarthy's last year.  So maybe time will tell.

I was on the can MM train last year.   I've committed to giving him a fair look this year with the new coordinators.   So far, I like what I am seeing.  

Some of the same warts are there.   Clock mgt, loyal to a fault, stubbornness with personnel and the occasional head scratcher play call.    That said, I thought the game plan was good.   It was exactly what we have been calling for.   Routes designed to help WR's get open and quick hitters while mixing in the occasional shot downfield.   Rodgers simply didn't play well. 

It could be a lot worse, look what the Bills ran for their rookie QB.    They did nothing to help him. 

I actually like where were going as well.  I think 12 is the best in the game, and I do trust he'll play better. 

We're still in pretty good shape after the first quarter.  I saw 3-1 with a loss to the Vikings.

But the stats tell me what REALLY happened was 40 passing attempts and 32 rushing attempts.  It doesn't change the 44%.  Sort of like saying the Vikings won when they really lost.  Or like a part in an assembly should not have failed but it did.  There are reasons there were 40 passing attempts and 32 rushing attempts.  Just saying.  And unless we are in the huddle we don't know the true intent of the play.  It may look like an RPO, but we really don't know what the call was in the huddle.  It could simply be a play action pass - as in designed that way.  I don't know what the intent was, but I know what the stats say.  So I was trying to agree with you - based on the stats.    

Brak posted:

I actually like where were going as well.  I think 12 is the best in the game, and I do trust he'll play better. 

We're still in pretty good shape after the first quarter.  I saw 3-1 with a loss to the Vikings.

"I think 12 is the best in the game"...... you are obviously not counting on the KC QB being the best in the game yet, right???  Ah, Patrick might be the best one in these first 4 weeks.  Now, time will tell, but this kid is right now out playing and just showing off more then any other QB in the league.  JMHO. 

Good post! 

Rodgers seems to feel the same as Mike Leach when it comes to a balanced pass and run game...

Balance, according to @Coach_Leach and nothing more true has been said. pic.twitter.com/zFaYkCzoGg

— Drew Piscopo (@DrewCPiscopo) October 2, 2018

Brak posted:

I've been of the opinion for quite some time now that 12 does what he wants.  His comments, Bulaga's comments, RPO calls.

12 has pretty much called MM out publicly.  And the film doesn't back him up.  MM hasn't done that to 12 yet.

Maybe he takes the high road, maybe he's chicken **** and would bench his ass if he wasn't Brett Favre, maybe he handles it like he should.  In private.

It's been aggressively lobbied that all you need to do is get a new defensive minded head coach and pretty much turn the OC job over to all world.

I'm not seeing any evidence to convince me of that.

But, as Pakrz recently chummed, it may be McCarthy's last year.  So maybe time will tell.

Don't forget to add in how terribly ****ing awful McVince's management is.  He is not a HC, he's a dandy OC.  Rodgers has nothing to do with how miserable a manager he is.  None.  McVince is Philbin, Philbin is McVince.  So when people start singing his ****ing accolades of immortality it will be aggressively lobbied that said people are full of ****.  

Maybe that's why people think he should be ****canned.   Just a thought.

In fact, let's really frame this argument.  Here are the unmutable, unavoidable facts.  Say Rodgers is the biggest prick, primadonna scumbag to ever grace the football field.  What happens when he walks on that field?  He wins.  He just wins even on ****ty days like Sunday.  He is absolutely not infallible and I have no doubt any perceived friction is partly due to how he wants to manage the game from the line.  I personally agree with Brainded about Rodgers referring to himself as much as McVince if referring to McVince at all.  He ****ed up.  He ****ed up a few times and I think everyone realizes that regardless of how great you are not practicing due to injury is going to have some cumulative effect on timing. 

But here's the thing.  He just wins.  He didn't force McVince to keep Capers and the other assembly of turd coaches.  He didn't tell McVince to spout off about how great the QB room is.  Rodgers was sitting on the sidelines when that ****box of a team barely won 3 games. 

So while we can argue about who was pulling what **** on the field and if Rodgers went off McVince's perfectly planned masterpiece of a game plan, again the facts are Rodgers just wins.  No other QB is going to come close even running the genius offensive game plan of McVince to a "T". 

It's almost like people are arguing that Rodgers is the weak link on this team.  Pretty ****ing silly right?

McVince is a fine fine OC.  I'd prefer someone who can actually manage the whole team. 

One day, maybe, the NFL will post the offensive and defensive calls on the scroll so we know more of what is going on each play.

From Silverstein's article:

Murphy gave McCarthy a considerable amount of juice within the organization by giving him equal authority as Gutekunst, 

McVince surely can't be blamed now.  

That is the last thing I wanted to read.

Which means McCarthy wouldn't be fired so the GM could pick his own guy.  I would assume only Murphy could fire MM now.  If he makes the playoffs he gets a new contract.

Which would mean another 4000 “MM is a fine offensive coordinator” posts. 

Which has been understood from day 1 I thought.   Mike is in a prove it year.    So far, so good.   We should be 3-1 having beaten the Vikings.   The Washington game was a huge let down spot after that tough rivalry game, it happens.

MM's most redeeming trait IMO is he always got the team to rally in the face of adversity.   He's got new coordinators now, probably forced on him, so let's see him manage the team for a year before passing final judgment. 

BrainDed posted:

Just watched the All 22 and a couple things stood out to me. 

- Rodgers went pass on the RPO's a lot, but they worked for decent gains the vast majority of the time.   Pertaining to this game, I don't think it's fair to give MM crap for lack of run calls.

- Lots of rub routes from GBP.  Something we have been asking for for a while, and we got it.   They worked well too.

- I think Rodgers comments were about himself, not the gameplan.  This was a really poor game for him.   If his comments were not about himself, he needs to look in the mirror big time.    Poor accuracy, locked in on 1st target and so on. 

- Mercedes Lewis is the real deal.   Destroying LB's in the run game.

- Byron Bell played well, he isn't giving that starting gig up. 

- Josh Allan is bad, like really bad,

So here are some cutups from the 1st half.   I'll try to get 2nd half images up later today or Thursday.

Rodgers Poor Day

Lewis Deserves PT

Jackson

Alexander

Clark

Fackrell

Dix

Adams

2nd half images coming later. 

OMGOSH.....thanks for it all.  I’m just going to keep fingers crossed, as the Packers never do that great against Detroit.  This could be their super bowl game.  I hate even saying that..... but it’s true, they always play us so tough.  Hope the Pack can win this one.  

Rtfb against the Lions....

BrainDed posted:

...This was 4th and 3 in 3rd quarter.  He's looking at a wide open Adams in a clean pocket, comes off it, almost throws a pick to the rookie.   Very un-Rodgers like. 

https://imgur.com/p8z72i9

Let me add my thanks, 'Ded! Awesome views.

Let me ask for your thoughts on this quoted play. 
I may agree Adams was open, but my thinking is whether Rodgers leads him, or throws to the spot where Adams makes his break, it looks like their DB would have a chance to drive to the ball either way.
I'll argue Graham crossing left into the middle of the field would've been the much better throw. Bills # 24 reacted to Adams, #49 reacted to Williams coming out the backfield, drawing the coverage away, and #20 was way behind Graham as soon as he made his break.

What say you?

bdplant posted:

Which would mean another 4000 “MM is a fine offensive coordinator” posts. 

I'll double it for you.

The point is if McVince has double the juice and answers to no one but Murphy, then he better get on the same page as his superstar QB.  The narrative I keep seeing is how helpless poor McVince is in these situations.  

The offense sucked.  It was flat out uninspired.  If Rodgers wasn't pissed I'd be concerned.  As far as the schism crap, two competent professionals can work together even if they don't like each other.  I suggest McVince with his newfound juice does exactly that since he's the ****ing HC.

What I saw was questionable player substitution compounded by Rodgers inaccuracy on certain plays.  When you keep hearing all these McVincisms about "scrubbed playbook" and "hot hand" only to see the opposite, I'm not about to get my knickers in a twist over Rodgers making a judgment call on RPO.  Rodgers biggest issue was timing/accuracy and that's an injury/practice thing. 

You’re getting dangerously close to “I’m a Favre fan first” territory. Rodgers has to get on board with the HC, not the other way around. That’s the player/coach relationship. Rodgers doesn’t dictate the offense, he runs it. I think they are on the same page, I think it’s all a fan/media creation that there’s friction. 

Henry posted:

bdplant posted:

Which would mean another 4000 “MM is a fine offensive coordinator” posts. 

I'll double it for you.

The point is if McVince has double the juice and answers to no one but Murphy, then he better get on the same page as his superstar QB.  The narrative I keep seeing is how helpless poor McVince is in these situations.  

The offense sucked.  It was flat out uninspired.  If Rodgers wasn't pissed I'd be concerned.  As far as the schism crap, two competent professionals can work together even if they don't like each other.  I suggest McVince with his newfound juice does exactly that since he's the ****ing HC.

What I saw was questionable player substitution compounded by Rodgers inaccuracy on certain plays.  When you keep hearing all these McVincisms about "scrubbed playbook" and "hot hand" only to see the opposite, I'm not about to get my knickers in a twist over Rodgers making a judgment call on RPO.  Rodgers biggest issue was timing/accuracy and that's an injury/practice thing. 

Anyone else sick of reading this dude's posts?  If so, please hit "like" on this quote. 

"McVince", jeez, what are you 10? 

You act like you know exactly what is going on with Rodgers and McCarthy.  Guess what?  You don't and neither does any damn Green Bay Packer fan. 

I come on this board to read about the Packers.  Not about your hatred of McCarthy.  I agree it might be time for a change, but the number of times you call him McVince will not guarantee it is going to happen. 

You need a new schtick.  The one you are currently using is past it's "best used by" date.

Grave Digger posted:

You’re getting dangerously close to “I’m a Favre fan first” territory. Rodgers has to get on board with the HC, not the other way around. That’s the player/coach relationship. Rodgers doesn’t dictate the offense, he runs it. I think they are on the same page, I think it’s all a fan/media creation that there’s friction. 

You can pretty much **** off with that first comment.  I'm going to back whichever guy provides the best chance for this team to succeed and we saw McVince had to offer last year.

So you don't think it's incumbent on the HEAD COACH to see there is a problem and bring Rodgers in and iron it out even if it is seemingly inconsequential?  Is that it?  Does this guy have any responsibilities? 

Poor, poor McVince.    

Troy posted:

Anyone else sick of reading this dude's posts?  If so, please hit "like" on this quote. 

"McVince", jeez, what are you 10? 

You act like you know exactly what is going on with Rodgers and McCarthy.  Guess what?  You don't and neither does any damn Green Bay Packer fan. 

I come on this board to read about the Packers.  Not about your hatred of McCarthy.  I agree it might be time for a change, but the number of times you call him McVince will not guarantee it is going to happen. 

You need a new schtick.  The one you are currently using is past it's "best used by" date.

Aaron Rodgers, QB of the Packers.  McVince, HC of the Packers.  

Where the **** do you think you are sweetie?

You're one of those "freedom of speech" advocates who cry like a bitch after someone reciprocates aren't you?

Wow, I see now why Rodgers criticized MM for the offense, because it looks like it was MM playing QB against the Bills. Brutal! They score 40 points if he just makes a few more throws.

I'm amazed people think this is an all or nothing proposition.  

I have no idea why the HC designation exists on this team.

Bag on the HC when necessary, but this game plan was sound.  12 isn't perfect.

Like this quote yesterday from McCarthy:

“Aaron and I, we have gone through a lot of years together. So I feel good about our relationship. … Aaron’s given a lot of responsibility, and rightfully so. He’s earned that, at the line of scrimmage and during the preparation process. That’ll continue as it’s been for quite some time.”

BrainDed posted:

...but 5 of those are Rodgers, none designed.   So really it was 45 pass calls and 27 rushes.   So 37%.

That doesn't take into account RPO's at the line.   I would guess Rodgers went pass option on those 6 or 7 times and run 1 or 2.  

And how many of those runs happened with the game well in hand in the 4th quarter? I honestly don't know but running the ball with a big lead late in the game isn't really showing a commitment. Running the ball when the game is still a game is what we need to see. 

It definitely did seem like they mixed in more runs when Buffalo was still in the game than they did vs Washington. 

Who said 12 is perfect?  

So far Pettine is showing he's holding up his end of the bargain.  Garglepuss has shown his dedication to talent acquisition.  Shouldn't it stand to reason that the one aspect of this team that is supposed to be lights out does the same? 

Rodgers bears responsibility for offensive dick tripping but here's the kicker, so does the HEAD COACH.  The offense was sloppy.  It's not just Rodgers, it's not just McVince but the running theme always tends to drift towards how Rodgers is the issue.  

I'm going to respond to that everytime after what McVince showed last year.  I personally think many are suffering from lunchpail syndrome.

I'm just going to keep a running tally from now on.

Henry posted:

I'm amazed people think this is an all or nothing proposition.  

I've noticed that too.

Henry posted:

You can pretty much **** off with that first comment.  I'm going to back whichever guy provides the best chance for this team to succeed and we saw McVince had to offer last year.

So you don't think it's incumbent on the HEAD COACH to see there is a problem and bring Rodgers in and iron it out even if it is seemingly inconsequential?  Is that it?  Does this guy have any responsibilities? 

Poor, poor McVince.    

That's what you're doing though, you're absolving Rodgers of any responsibility because of McCarthy's poor "management". You can like Rodgers and still think he screwed up and likewise you can dislike McCarthy and still think he did a good job in this game. All errors don't have to be 100% attributed to one or the other. 

I don't think there is an issue. They're professionals and coworkers, they don't have to be best buds. Just because Sean McVay just a jumping butt bump with his QB and MM doesn't is not indicative of a rift.