When is guy just going to be put someplace where we DON'T have to hear about him......ugh.

Great thread title. Brak understands.

Hungry5 posted:

Great thread title. Brak understands.

Before I opened the thread, I was thinking "Favre"

Spectacular....

As soon as I saw the thread title, I thought, this *has* to be a Goldie thread.

And I thought she was posting about fedyaya. 

Guy.

It'll happen when his money runs out or he party's himself to death.

The Manziel's have TX oil money. Once Johnny's NFL money is gone it will be on his parents/family to not enable him further. 

He's not likely to run out of money. If he does, he'll just go hang around College Station and Texas A and M fanboys will party with him as long as he wants.

This likely ends, unfortunately, with a car accident in which alcohol is a factor.

This ends with a Manziel Presidency. This country has gone nuts!

Hope the guy gets some help before he kills himself.

Or someone else.

IF he lives past 30 he will be the subject of a 30 for 30 special.  Manziel will be balding, overweight, dead broke, and crying on screen about how he blew his chance.  The interview will be either in prison or in a trailer on a dried up Texas oilfield.

Uncle Bobby Manziel

The Heckler posted:

IF he lives past 30 he will be the subject of a 30 for 30 special.  Manziel will be balding, overweight, dead broke, and crying on screen about how he blew his chance.  The interview will be either in prison or in a trailer on a dried up Texas oilfield.

His father even said that he might not live to see his 24th birthday:

Troubled quarterback Johnny Manziel needs immediate help to save his self-destructive life, his father told the Dallas Morning News.

“I truly believe if they can’t get him help, he won’t live to see his 24th birthday,” Paul Manziel said on Friday, days after his son was investigated for an alleged assault on his ex-girlfriend in Fort Worth, Texas.

Manziel, 23, has twice refused to enter a substance abuse program in the past week, his father said.

With Manziel reeling and his future with the Cleveland Browns in doubt, his agent Erik Burkhardt announced on Friday that he’d no longer represent the Heisman Trophy winner.

The latest episode began Jan. 30, when Manziel’s ex-girlfriend told police that he had hit her several times during an argument that began in his Dallas hotel room and continued as he drove them to her home in Fort Worth.

The ex-girlfriend told police that Manziel acted as if he were on drugs. He’s previously stayed in a rehab center treating addiction to alcohol and drugs. Police in Fort Worth and Dallas have declined to arrest Manziel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...d640e4b04f9b57d95794

How come no one saw these troubles coming?  Completely out of the blue.  I guess you never know what secrets someone is hiding.

The Heckler posted:

crying on screen about how he blew his chance. 

You misspelled "blaming anyone and everyone else"

Police in Fort Worth and Dallas have declined to arrest Manziel.

yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa.

White House, here we come!

1-2-3 Whitehouse?

Goldie posted:

his father told the Dallas Morning News.

“I truly believe if they can’t get him help, he won’t live to see his 24th birthday,” Paul Manziel said on Friday, days after his son was investigated for an alleged assault on his ex-girlfriend in Fort Worth, Texas.

 

Jesus ****! pops. It's your fault Johnny is the way he is. Apple, on the ground, close to the tree? Shocked!

Goalline posted:

1-2-3 Whitehouse? Winehouse!

1-2-3 Jailhouse!

The Heckler posted:

IF he lives past 30 he will be the subject of a 30 for 30 special.  Manziel will be balding, overweight, dead broke, and crying on screen about how he blew his chance.  The interview will be either in prison or in a trailer on a dried up Texas oilfield.

Not overweight yet.  Actually, looks skinny.  Probably doing something a lot harder than a lot of beer which would keep his weight up.  $25K per night for a hotel room...damn hope breakfast is included and it's not make yourself a waffle.  

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/n...er-night-hotel-room/

Hungry5 posted:

Goldie posted:

his father told the Dallas Morning News.

“I truly believe if they can’t get him help, he won’t live to see his 24th birthday,” Paul Manziel said on Friday, days after his son was investigated for an alleged assault on his ex-girlfriend in Fort Worth, Texas.

 

Jesus ****! pops. It's your fault Johnny is the way he is. Apple, on the ground, close to the tree? Shocked!

I'm not sure why you think this is his father's fault.  Addiction wouldn't be because of anything the father did or didn't do.

Wasn't he basically spoiled rotten by his parents growing up?

That may be.  But being spoiled and being an addict are two different things.  His father certainly could have been the cause of being spoiled.

I've read his dad's parenting books.  Discipline and clean living was theme.  Johnny obviously rebelled from the family values.  

DH13 posted:

Goalline posted:

1-2-3 Whitehouse? Winehouse!

 

They tried to make him go to rehab
But he said, "no, no, no".

My point is Paul Manziel is wanting "them/they" to get Johnny straight... why not take some responsibility for your kid?

I've always been fascinated by the role parents play or agonize over the role they may have played in their child's addiction. I read "Beautiful Boy" by David Sheff in 2009 in two days and was laid waste by this guy tearing open his soul over his presumed role in his perfect son Nic drifting from athletics, active, social wonder kid into a complete and total addict living on the streets doing anything for money for the next fix. Was it his fault? What did he do wrong? I have two kids and I've never been able to shake the grip of that book. 

I wondered what ever became of Nic. He relapsed many, many times. His dad was a highly respected writer that did work with Rolling Stone. He got Nic the best help. 

Nic posted this in 2011. Seems like he's figuring things out. 

A few months ago my wife told me our daughter tried weed for the first time. I wanted to tear into her in the worst way. But I didn't. I couldn't. I thought about David Sheff's book and my own experiences. I've always held the belief kids try drugs and immediately meet a fork in the road. Like them or decide it's not for them. So that was out talk. We'll keep talking. 

Like I said. Fascinating conversation. 

In regards to Johnny. I don't think he's an addict. He's been enabled. That might lead to him being an addict. Maybe his parents played a role in enabling. Maybe football did. There will be plenty of time to try and figure out when things went to ****. And that's a shame. 

The brain is a complicated thing.  We barely have control over ourselves, much less other people.  But there is no love or guilt like that of a parent's.

We're all flawed with a shopping list of things we need to do better trying to instill values to our kids that are navigating lives that become more accelerated every day. 

It's terrifying not knowing that what your doing might be all kinds of wrong. 

You do your best, love 'em up good and hope for the best and deal with the rest.  And it can all turn on a dime in any direction at any time, no guarantees no matter what you do.

Parenting is the scariest thing to do in the entire world. You are responsible for trying to mold a human being into a decent citizen. You want them to turn out better than you, yet you worry you'll screw up when they're young and they'll screw up when they're older. And in the end, you have to realize that what you have done, or not done, doesn't mean as much as you hoped/feared. It's up to them to make good choices...

Lot of truth in the last few posts, but if as a parent you do nothing but expect others to deal with your children, then I have no sympathy for your/their situation. Mom and dad tried, but failed based on what I've read.

When Jonathan was in seventh grade, his parents moved from Tyler to Kerrville. It was a deliberate move away from the family enclave. “We love the family, but we needed to get away,” says Michelle. “In some ways it was too easy. I just wanted our kids to be treated as kids and not have that Manziel name over their heads. In Tyler it means you own a lot of property and have oil interests. Nobody in Kerrville knew about any of that, and we thought that was a good thing. We liked the idea of a fresh start.”

But, as soon as Johnny showed up in Kerrville he was the best athlete in town at his age and quickly became the BMOC and the entitlement and popularity that comes with TX football was not managed.

Then, moving on to A&M and the entitlement continues. Everyone knows what happened there...

As a nineteen-year-old redshirt freshman at Texas A&M, he set the world on fire, electrifying college football fans with his speed and swagger on the way to winning the Heisman Trophy.

But on the evening of August 4, 2013, he was facing the possibility of a major, soul-crushing defeat.

It was the night before Texas A&M’s fall training camp, and several hours earlier, the news had broken that the NCAA was reportedly investigating the kid for getting paid during the off-season to sign memorabilia, a violation of the league’s amateurism rules.

For anyone paying attention, the moment had a distinct sense of déjà vu. One year earlier, when the kid was still unknown, he had hit what had seemed at the time like his lowest point. It was the early morning of June 29, 2012, and he was sitting in a College Station jail cell, having been arrested for fighting and booked for disorderly conduct, failing to properly identify himself, and carrying phony driver’s licenses.

The pattern with the family has been there. The pattern with Jonathan and then Johnny was there. Now he's 23, and clearly has not learned anything.