Will the TT haters admit he was right (and they were wrong)?

Entirely possible.

He didn't look like he even wanted to be on the field against the Giants.

And don't forget how he tried to win the game by himself vs. Dallas (bombs away) and the debacle in Chicago. He didn't want to be on the field that day, either.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
Isn't it possible that besides all the off-the-field prima donna BS, MM also saw a QB whose ceiling had been lowered to that of 'just good enough to get you to the precipice and then blow it' for your team?

I really doubt it. The Pack was 13-3 and got to OT of the NFC Championship. It would be one thing if the Pack outplayed the Giants in every facet except QB. The truth is, the Giants outplayed the Pack in every way, running, throwing, defense, etc. except fumbles. Favre was just one of many who had a subpar day that day. I don't think the Pack would be looking to pull the plug on Favre after that one. Way way too many guys had bad games that day to blame it soley on him.

I really believe it was the way he handled the off-season and purposely put McCarthy in a bad spot after McCarthy prepared the team for life after Favre retired. Hell, they drafted 2 QBs to backup Rodgers. If Favre had maybe had any sense of humility about the whole thing, I think they would have let him come back. But he clearly was trying to jerk Thompson/McCarthy around, and they really questioned if he genuinely wanted to play for them anymore.

You may be right, but IMHO JMO if Brent was still playing at the level he achieved in his prime, MM would have figured something out. I don't think MM got rid of him simply because he had grown way too self-entitled and had been running amok in that locker room for too long. On-the-field play had to at least be a variable. When your first-ballot HOF'er plays such a central role in so many gut-wrenching elimination game losses, it has to illuminate at least one mental light bulb at 1265 that perhaps all the BS isn't worth it anymore.

However, both your point and mine tend to tie into Aikman's assertion this year that Brent never really wanted to come back to GB. I guess we'll never know the whole truth, particularly since you can't believe anything Brent says and the GBP have kept their mouths shut since the start of this.

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But he clearly was trying to jerk Thompson/McCarthy around, and they really questioned if he genuinely wanted to play for them anymore.

True dat. Plus all the calls/texts to Vikings-land that the Packers became aware of.

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Originally posted by cuqui:
And don't forget....the debacle in Chicago. He didn't want to be on the field that day, either.

One thing that keeps me wondering is something Butler said. He hinted at the idea that there is a whole bunch of secrets about TOG that will come out some day. If there is any truth to this, I wonder what those things might be.

Maybe Kitty Kelley will do a book.

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You may be right, but IMHO JMO if Brent was still playing at the level he achieved in his prime, MM would have figured something out.

You'd think MM would have figured out to give Al Harris some help, too, since Plaxico Burress was beating him left and right.

The way I remember it, even after the jerk around, Thompson still had him flown in and put #4 and McCarthy in a room together, and after a couple hours McCarthy came out and said something along the lines of, "I couldn't possibly work with that negativity," or words to that effect.

He basically put them in an unworkable situation, sabotaged any attempt to work it out, then blamed them because it didn't work.

Then held a grudge about it after it was over and backstabbed them both, along with his former players and the fans alike.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
You may be right, but IMHO JMO if Brent was still playing at the level he achieved in his prime, MM would have figured something out. I don't think MM got rid of him simply because he had grown way too self-entitled and had been running amok in that locker room for too long. On-the-field play had to at least be a variable. When your first-ballot HOF'er plays such a central role in so many gut-wrenching elimination game losses, it has to illuminate at least one mental light bulb at 1265 that perhaps all the BS isn't worth it anymore.

However, both your point and mine tend to tie into Aikman's assertion this year that Brent never really wanted to come back to GB. I guess we'll never know the whole truth, particularly since you can't believe anything Brent says and the GBP have kept their mouths shut since the start of this.

One thing that I think could favor your point JJSD, is that maybe because Rodgers was waiting in the wings, they didn't care one way or another if Favre came back. And to Favre, that felt like a major diss, and caused him to go into spoiled brat mode in the off-season.... Who knows, only a couple people on this earth really know the truth about what happened, and I am not among those couple of people.

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Originally posted by Fedya:

You'd think MM would have figured out to give Al Harris some help, too, since Plaxico Burress was beating him left and right.

Or at least have gotten in Sanders' ear since he was the DC.

Don't forget, he was butt-hurt that Rodgers even existed.

He also wanted his outright release.

We should all watch to see which one of the relevant parties to the Great Monkey Poop Fight of 08 runs into financial trouble first, if any of them do. That'll be one helluva tell-all book.

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Originally posted by fightphoe93:
One thing that I think could favor your point JJSD, is that maybe because Rodgers was waiting in the wings, they didn't care one way or another if Favre came back. And to Favre, that felt like a major diss, and caused him to go into spoiled brat mode in the off-season.... Who knows, only a couple people on this earth really know the truth about what happened, and I am not among those couple of people.

Oh, I agree with you completely there. There's no way they'd have called Brent's bluff if they didn't feel like they had a viable option to replace him. What's funny is at that point, AR was all but a completely unknown commodity. It was also the first time in many, many years that someone had told Brent 'no,' and as you said he flipped out.

What's interesting to look at now is that one of the first moves TT made was to in-effect call Brent's annual retirement bluff by drafting AR. Then they called it again when Brent 'requested a trade' after Moss went to NE and they did nothing. Then they called it yet again after Brent's first actual retirement by drafting two more QB's. I've always thought that privately, TT must loathe Brent. I bet Brent despises TT even more.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
We should all watch to see which one of the relevant parties to the Great Monkey Poop Fight of 08 runs into financial trouble first, if any of them do. That'll be one helluva tell-all book.

Or if he screws up again and Deanna files for divorce.

There's your book.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
TT made the tough call that, quite frankly, few people would have the guts to make. He took an enormous amount of heat, but he was right the whole time. Kudos to TT.

Tough, conservative leadership is never popular, even in the shadow of success.

JJSD: I highly doubt TT loathes Brent. He could care less about such emotions. I do think TT thought more about the future of the franchise in drafting ARodg then he did about a spoiled rotten baby who was finally told "no" numerous times in the TT regime, and rightfully so. What I love about TT is that the Packers matter so much more than the individual, and that philosophy is what is keeping the Packers competitive in an insanely competitive NFL.

TT is amazing in his single mindedness in my opinion. His ongoing goal is to preserve the legend of the franchise, not the legend of an egocentric former franchise QB.

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Originally posted by ZUF:

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I could keep on going but I don't have that kind of time.

You won a SB back when I was 23 years old and since then you have blown every single big game you have played in.

Desmond Howard was also the MVP of that game, and Reggie White was just a much the team leader as Brent.

Brent has underachieved and choked in big games ever since that first SB. He also missed a few wide open receivers in SB XXXII as I recall...but man he likes to have fun...... if you consider losing the big ones a good time.

And completed less than 50% of his passes.

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And completed less than 50% of his passes.

C'mon, he completed some to the other teams.

Bumping this thread for a re-read. Interesting to say the least

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Ted needs a superbowl, until then, he was "not wrong"

Right.

I think I read somewhere that we got CMIII via the draft pick we got from the Jets for Brett Favre?

If true, that seems pretty cool.

I don't get the above post. Combine a squirrel and some pee and there is no QUESTION what happens. YAC shoots up across the board.

what's the magic formula for YPC?

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Take the f**kin' picture I have mad-scientist GM sh!t to do.

Logan Mankins YAC at Wisconsin State was simply amazing.

I'm still pissed TT allowed Dan Comper to tweak Kampy's YAC.

Does YAC figure into passing yards?

One gigantic YAC doesn't make up for numerous -YACs...

Of course not! One superbowl as a 6 seed that barely made the playoffs and got hot at the right time..

I must give him credit for drafting advantageously over the time period, but he has by no means built a dynasty. Right now, all we are is the Giants of a few years ago. Until we can prove that this team can win consistently, play with more discipline, and run/defend the run adequately, i am not sold on this team as a dynasty.

There are the right pieces in place at critical positions. It could happen, but I just don't have faith in Ted to make the dynamic moves like Ron Wolf did.

This thread could be entirely different had the Packers not gotten very fortunate at the end of the regular season. The football gods were smiling on Lambeau last season. The sort of luck with replacement personnel we had last season wont happen again.

Ron Wolf once described his "Dynamic Moves" as a Fart in the Wind

i don't care if the the tt hatin', 4" brent lovers admit they were wrong. we don't need those douchebags back. keep wearing your purple and being a loser. FFFF...

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
. Until we can prove that this team can win consistently, play with more discipline, and run/defend the run adequately, i am not sold on this team as a dynasty.

Rong Diggy. If we must run/defend the run to be a dynasty why is the QB thee most important player on a team and why does everyone say the NFL is now a pass driven league?

Go back to the 1970's where you belong.

Diggy would complain about a sunny day because he had to squint.

You sir are one miserable soul.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Of course not! One superbowl as a 6 seed that barely made the playoffs and got hot at the right time..

I must give him credit for drafting advantageously over the time period, but he has by no means built a dynasty. Right now, all we are is the Giants of a few years ago. Until we can prove that this team can win consistently, play with more discipline, and run/defend the run adequately, i am not sold on this team as a dynasty.

There are the right pieces in place at critical positions. It could happen, but I just don't have faith in Ted to make the dynamic moves like Ron Wolf did.

This thread could be entirely different had the Packers not gotten very fortunate at the end of the regular season. The football gods were smiling on Lambeau last season. The sort of luck with replacement personnel we had last season wont happen again.

The 1996 GBP really sucked. Only one SB?

Look on the bright side. You could beat a drunken hobo with a sledgehammer for 20 minutes and still not hear that level of stupidity. Enjoy the suffering of the board idiot - it's literally priceless.

For some saying the words, "I was wrong" is so difficult that it is much easier explaining to the world just how dumb they are. I understand.