Would you trade Jennings for a second rounder?

Jennings is pushing 30, has a few concussions, wants a big contract and the Packers have other guys they need to pay more. With his injury history, I'd be a bit surprised if they even got a second for him.

I love Jennings, I don't think there's an "equal" replacement on the roster for what he does and I doubt he's going anywhere (at least this year), but TT has generally shown the desire to take a chance on letting a guy go a year early rather than a year late (AJ Hawk aside).

Interesting the rumor is about Cleveland. Holmgren already owes us stealing Hasselbeck so we could move up 7 spots to draft J. Reynolds. YUCK

But it is outside the conference and they have nothing at wideout.

No. But I would try and trade Finley for a 4th rounder to make room for Neal and free up some cash to try and re-sign Jennings. (along with restructured deals for Hawk and Woodson)

DJ Williams is not the athletic freak Finley is, but he can catch the football. So there's that. There's a chance we get Quarless back just before the bye.

After reading all the twitter nonsense from Finley and his agent I've reached the point where I'm convinced he simply doesn't want to be in Green Bay. Or he's a bigger knucklehead than I thought.

The problem is I don't think anyone is giving up a 4th for Finley.

Cleveland doesn't have a 2nd rounder in 2013 so that trade would be difficult.

I don't think you can count on Quarless at all this year. IMHO he'll wind up on IR when GB has to make a decision on him. That knee injury was absolutely horrible, and unfortunately he may never be the same guy again.

No way would I move Finley. I agree that he runs his suck a bit too much and needs to focus more, but the guy has a pretty damn good skill set for the position. Ride the two year contract out and see what takes place.

I doubt TT appreciates Jennings shut down extension talks until after the season. And I doubt TT appreciates Finley's big mouth either.

Geez I hope we can package both of them for value from Cleveland. They have Richardson and Thomas and upcoming 1sts where they could come up with some kind of package. We have Bush and low picks to throw in if need be.

I thought the two year deal for Finley was a team friendly signing when it was done. But two weeks into the season and we're dealing with drops and fumbles again and he's taken to twitter talking about the greatness yet to come. His agent is openly blaming the offensive problems on Rodgers, and Finley is saying nothing to put an end to it. Only that he's glad he has an agent like the one he has.

I want Jennings on this team far more than I want Finley if I had to choose which one to part ways with.

I'd move Jennings before Finley, but I wouldn't move either. Not now. Tag GJ this off-season of they don't get a long term deal and then consider a trade before next draft.

Jennings means more over the next 17 games than a 40-spot upgrade to the conditional pick could justify.

If McGinn did talk to a Packer exec, they're willing to move Jennings now.

Shutting off discussions with TT might be the straw that broke the camel's back along with another injury.

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Tag GJ this off-season if they don't get a long term deal and then consider a trade before next draft

This. IMO much more likely to happen. I doubt the 2 sides will come together at an agreement considering 1.) the injury bug has been upon him now since week 13 of last season and 2.) Im pretty sure he's convinced himself he's worth at least 11-12 mil a year.

When you consider he's pushing 30 + the injury history, I just can't see TT giving him what he'll demand and I can't see GJ settling for a 8-9 mil per year contract.

With Finley also a long-term ? mark, wouldn't surprise me to see TT draft a WR or TE in high rounds of the 2013 draft.

No, don't trade. Tag him next year and then let him walk if he wants to try and cash in.

this makes me wonder about the guy that wrote this article

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Allowing Jennings to leave via free agency would almost guarantee the Packers the 91st overall pick in the 2014 draft, but a trade this season would garner even a higher pick in the 2013 draft, a pick they could definitely use for that shoddy defense.

Jennings won't - and shouldn't - settle for a dime under Vincent Jackson's 5/$55/$26. Still don't think that changes anything this year.

If they were intent on getting value back for Jennings, it would have happened before they went into the season.

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With Finley also a long-term ? mark, wouldn't surprise me to see TT draft a WR or TE in high rounds of the 2013 draft.

Agree. I think we'll see a draft heavy on offense next season (WR, TE, OL).

One thing that should assure Packer fans. TT can and does find quality weapons for AR via the draft:

Jennings
James Jones
Nelson
Cobb
Finley
Starks (when healthy)

Not one of them a 1st round pick. And quite a few in a draft re-do would have never lasted as long they did. Jennings, Nelson, and Cobb IMO would have all been 1st rounders had other GM's known now what they did then.

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Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan:
Jennings won't - and shouldn't - settle for a dime under Vincent Jackson's 5/$55/$26.

But what if it's Cleveland making that offer ? At what point does winning enter the compensation question ?

What you said is exactly how most players/agents approach it, but I bet there are a lot of unhappy NFL millionaires who took the cash and forgot why they played the game since they were 5 years old

I think it's going to take a tag to keep him one more year, but that tag is going to be difficult to fit under the cap with the other contracts looming.

I think it's looking more likely than not that we won't be able to keep him.

I wouldn't move him this year, though.

From JSO a few years back:

Thompson's philosophy, and it's followed by other salary-cap savvy teams like the Steelers and Patriots, goes something like this:

• "If we develop you into an elite player, we will do everything we can to sign you. We get you at a salary number that would be less than what you get on the free-agent market. If you think you're going to get that big number from us, you're crazy."

• "If you are less than an elite player, you will sign at the number budgeted by us for that position. If you want any more, it was nice knowing you. Best of luck. We're not upsetting the apple cart in the locker room for a player not looked at as elite by his fellow players."

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
No way would I move Finley. I agree that he runs his suck a bit too much and needs to focus more, but the guy has a pretty damn good skill set for the position. Ride the two year contract out and see what takes place.

A skill set he can't utilize. He's tits on a bull at this point.

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Originally posted by Satori:
But what if it's Cleveland making that offer ? At what point does winning enter the compensation question ?

Unfortunately, I would think $11M per would be considered the discounted number. And while I think there are a few guys out there who would take a legitimate hometown/contender discount, Greg's recent foray into acting, flood of product endorsements and Week 1 media blitz explaining he has to do what's best for his family have the look of a guy with every intention of making his last contract count.

And to be clear, I think he's earned it and wouldn't think any less of him for it.

Stats aren't everything, but I'll throw this out there: Finley is currently ranked 6th this season statistically speaking in the league. Yea, he can and should play better, but perhaps a little perspective is in order?

Look how New England is handling Wes Welker. May be how GB deals with Greg J.
I'd think they cannot pay everyone and while GJ is #1-A we cannot afford the #'s he wants. 30 is not old for wide out so maybe we get something in return. Question becomes do they trade him now or after tag?

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
Stats aren't everything, but I'll throw this out there: Finley is currently ranked 6th this season statistically speaking in the league. Yea, he can and should play better, but perhaps a little perspective is in order?

I refuse your call for common sense.

@Pakrz.

Finley is 6th in receptions but well down the list in yards. Williams and Taylor are more than capable of piling up catches. I look at them as more possession type, move the chain TE's. I'd be fine if Finley had fewer catches but far more yards. Isn't that what we should expect from him?

I understand your points regarding Finley. I remember sitting at training camp this year looking at him standing next to the other TE's and thinking to myself, he looks like a monumental mismatch for LB's and safeties. How can a guy 6'5" and 250 that runs that fast not dominate? You look at his physical talents and can't help but talk yourself into believing he's going to figure it all out.

I've defended Finley betting on the come. That he's going to figure everything out and insert himself in Gronk, Graham, or Finley? argument. Instead he's out of the gates slowly and has taken to twitter after swearing it off for the season a little more than a month ago.

I would love to be wrong and have him turn in a 9 catch for 115 and a TD next Monday night. But right now the guy makes me nervous.

No I would keep him this year and let the situation play itself out in the offseason.

I dont think you trade a blue chip player for a second round pick when your team has Super Bowl on its mind.

TT will not be backed into a corner at the WR position.This is most likely the last year that Jennings and Finley play together and hopefully we will see some fantastic play from both of them.Maybe neither one will be in GB next year, who knows.

TE and WR are two positions that TT seems to keep pretty well stocked

Finley is still a good deal at his current price tag.. He isn't in the Elite category of Tight Ends, but he is right under it.

I personally can't stand the man, but he can get open.. Now, I think more and more tight ends with this talent are being brought in.. I don't know why, but it seems a lot of your power forwards are moving to the gridiron. That, and his diarrhea mouth, are why I wouldn't ever sign him long term.

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Trade Jennings this season for a #2 pick? No way. 14 Games with Jennings this year doing all you can to win another SB is more valuable than moving up 50 spots in the draft. (early 2nd vs last of 3rd)

Could we win it without him, maybe. Do we have a better chance to do it with him, obviously..

So who do you cut when Neal comes back?

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So who do you cut when Neal comes back?

Rodgers! I'm sick of this ship being sailed without a rudder!
I mean, success is great and all but it's so empty without leadership like Brees, Manning or Brady.

edit: thanks fedya rutter rudder who ya rutting for! damn brain, hasn't worked right for years.

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Originally posted by LarseeBear:
So who do you cut when Neal comes back?

We have a 2nd punter on the roster, don't we?

Our Punter had a better QB rating than our QB. He could just play all 4 downs.

Yep...just depends on who we trade with.

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Rodgers! I'm sick of this ship being sailed without a rutter!

Who should do the rutting for the Packers?

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Originally posted by LarseeBear:
Interesting the rumor is about Cleveland. Holmgren already owes us stealing Hasselbeck so we could move up 7 spots to draft J. Reynolds. YUCK

The Packers got even when they stole Ahman Green for Fred Vinson.

If the Packers are serious about making a Super Bowl run this season, there's no way they trade Jennings.

Jennings is as good as gone. TT will fix his egregious error and put this guy on the active roster immediately.
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Originally posted by LarseeBear:
So who do you cut when Neal comes back?

Good question: Brad Jones? Phillip Merling? CJ Wilson? My guess would be one of the three, although we also should have four healthy halfbacks soon, but I can't see them cutting one of them.

If I am a GM on a young bad team why would I want to trade for Jennings?
If I am a GM on a good team that needs a Wide a 2nd for Jennings maybe a good deal.
If I am the GM for the Packers why wouild I trade Jennings now?
1) get a 2nd next year ?
2) cap space ?
3) I like my young wides better then Jennings ?
4) They think for some reason Jennings production will fall off this season ? bad blood in the locker room perhaps.

As is the case with the "Trade Jones" talk, if some team is willing to overpay, then maybe the Packers should consider it.

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Originally posted by turnip blood:
If I am a GM on a young bad team why would I want to trade for Jennings? Veteran leadership...
If I am a GM on a good team that needs a Wide a 2nd for Jennings maybe a good deal. If a good team were to come calling I'd ask for a 1st, that 2nd would be presumably on the lower half of the round.

If I am the GM for the Packers why wouild I trade Jennings now:
1) get a 2nd next year ? Don't like that value
2) cap space ? not needed now and I think they could absorb him at the franchise $$ next year
3) I like my young wides better then Jennings ? unlikely - he's not old
4) They think for some reason Jennings production will fall off this season ? bad blood in the locker room perhaps. prod slipping, no. locker room issue - laughable IMO