Just been thinking about this scenario lately. If you had a gun to your head and were forced to choose between re-signing A rodgers or keeping Gute over the next four years, what would you do. Personally, I would choose Gute. Just the fact that he picked up both Douglas and DeVondre who turned out to be freaking all-pros is enough to sway my opinion, What do you all think?
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Douglas and Campbell could play on 8-8 teams without Rodgers. Makes sense.
Again, he thought so much of them he gave them one year contracts.
I would grab the gunman's arm at the wrist, spin the gun away from me, twist his arm, and then flip him to the ground as I take the gun. Just kidding, I would get shot.
Okay, Henry, but who would you choose....
Rodgers. How many guys can do what Rodgers does? 3? 4?
How many potential dozens of guys can do what Gutey does?
I pick Rodgers 100 out of 100 times. But the Packers won't need to choose one.
Rodgers, until he says he doesn't have the drive to compete or his body loses the ability to compete.
You really need me to parse that out for you?
*Gunt on* Here, let's try this. Gunt had the insane hubris to think letting go of a 1st ballot HOFer playing at an MVP level who wanted to be with the team and played the company man even through the transition of a new HC was a good idea.
That's Hadl level incompetence. Gunt had to be kicked in the face to figure out you have to manage relationships with your superstar QB who makes the entire organization look world class. He was given a proverbial atomic wedgie in the press to figure out the "planning for the future/good enough" bit didn't win you championships and started making moves like signing Mercilus and chumming PS and rosters for guys like Douglas. Yiadom came before Douglas, who wasn't even on the team at the start of the year.
Gunt has done some decent things talent wise but his management fucking stinks.
Yes, he avoided a honest to goodness Hadl landmine. *Gunt off*
Any questions?
Okay, I'll put that comment firmly into the Rodgers up vote. 
As usual, a wild outrage affirmation take, but would not expect anything less! My thought is that if you could get at least a high first round pick for rodgers--gute has validated that he is a top talent in the draft and free agency. This is way, way undervalued in the NFL. Just look at the Bears and Vikings FO. Chaotic disasters. As hard as it would be to see rodgers go. Having him go, would create the space to re-sign guys like tonyan, alexander, campbell, adams etc... I know this would be a gamble considering that this is an elite QB league, but rodgers is now at best a four year QB who will most likely play for another 4 years. Gute, is becoming a proven talent evaluater who could be here another 20 years.
@Dr._Bob posted:I would grab the gunman's arm at the wrist, spin the gun away from me, twist his arm, and then flip him to the ground as I take the gun. Just kidding, I would get shot.
Your doctorate is in stand-up, isn’t it?
We've gotten spoiled by having two HOF QBs since the early 90's, so we think that they are easy to find. When you do find one, you keep them as long as possible.
If Gute can find a way to trade Kevin King for T J W then I’d say it’s him. Otherwise, that’s a easy answer. It’s Rodgers.
You think Gort would survive even 4 years with maybe 8-8 records? He's a personnel guy who learned from one of the best. Milt Hendrickson is a personnel guy who learned from one of the best. So we know they are good personnel guys. Management skills are needed in this job called General Manager. Gump needs a guy like Brandt, not MurphyBallz.
You speak of the Vikings? Who is their QB that has a 40 mil cap hit next year and zero championships let alone sniffing the NFCC?
Bird in the hand is better than two in the bush right? Well, in this case the bird is the fucking golden goose.
Think about this. "I can do better than the very best playing at an absurd level". That's madness.
4 years is an eternity in the NFL. Being a good GM is building around the absolute turnkey gem of a QB you have and winning championships instead of going full Wile E. Coyote thinking you can build something better.
@Blair Kiel posted:Your doctorate is in stand-up, isn’t it?
Unfortunately, that's what the committee thought.
As good as Thompson (pre dementia) and Wolf were in their jobs I’d still take Favre and Rodgers.
Yes, it’s extremely frustrating they only have 2 championships in almost 30 years of HOF level QB play, but plenty of teams haven’t had one QB of that caliber much less two of them back to back.
Quite simply, MVP QB's come around way less often than great personnel guys.
Easy decision, even if it's just for a couple more seasons.
Said it last year when all this drama started, you let 12 decide when he's ready to retire.
Seems like the people that matter in this decision process have mended fences, and if I am guessing, 12 will retire a Packer.
I want to relay the level of incredulity in each of my posts about this issue. It boggles the mind that fans would think otherwise.
I'll be watching the Packers regardless of who is behind center, even a super troll. There's the emotional fan bit, then there is the cold, hard facts about the NFL and what it takes to win. To suggest Rodgers isn't a massive asset even if he is an asshole is lunacy. Giving management a pass for fucking something up that big is just silly to me.
You can still be a fan and criticize dumbfuckery that threatens the success of the team. This whole incident may be what makes Goop into a real GM instead of a personnel stooge.
I hope so.
@Chongo posted:Quite simply, MVP QB's come around way less often than great personnel guys.
Easy decision, even if it's just for a couple more seasons.
Said it last year when all this drama started, you let 12 decide when he's ready to retire.
Seems like the people that matter in this decision process have mended fences, and if I am guessing, 12 will retire a Packer.
Exactly. I'm really hoping this has been a huge learning experience for everyone and doesn't go south. Big mistakes were made but big failures seems to have been avoided.
It worked for Patch Adams.
Okay, I'm done now. I don't want to give certain people the sads. Not you Suffery Minnesota Guy.
@Henry posted:Exactly. I'm really hoping this has been a huge learning experience for everyone and doesn't go south. Big mistakes were made but big failures seems to have been avoided.
Probably the only time in history you and I were on the exact same page about something...when it came to 12 and his contract and his happiness, and all that shit, it was just "figure it the fuck out."
All that matters to me as a fan right now is not "building to last," it's winning Super Bowls...something this team has only done once with Rodgers, and that window is closing. Committing to him for the next 3-4 years isn't "mortgaging the future," it's going all-in to win as many titles as you can.
QB is the one position that is a complete and total crapshoot...no position has a higher demand for success and as a result, no position has a greater failure rate. Every QB picked is expected to be Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. But more often than not they are Jared Goff or Sam Darnold.
When you have a HOF QB, you ride that horse as long as you can.
No problem hank...I just think it is an interesting and real choice that management has to and must make at times. I think it is a false choice in the sense that both gute and Rodgers can coexist. However, I do think Gute has proven himself to be an excellent draft evaluator and willing to both sign free agents as well as secure above average players from the scrap heaps. This, too is a valuable asset that a team must make sure is part of talent retention. Just look at most of the teams that continue to run efficient organizations. They all have competent GMs and scouts. Where are the Packers without wolf and Thompson. Ozzie at Baltimore, Pittsburgh. Then look at the dumpster fires that are Houston, jets, bears etc... I get that gute can be fairly criticized for handling Rodgers, but he has continued to solidify and fortify this roster to make this team successful. I'm not even mentioning his hiring of mlf. We are in some pretty good hands.
Btw...I don't know of any scenario where we re-sign devondre, Douglas, Adam's, Tonyan, Alexander next year. Douglas and devondre would be idiots to accept any less than 10+ million a year. Adam's top tier wr money. Plus jaire has got to be paid. If we sign jaire, we have him and 21 at corner which is great, but quite a drop off. Without devondre in the middle...uggh. Big fo decisions to keep this team competitive with ot Without Rodgers.
I know March isn't that far away but I'm gonna go ahead and enjoy January and the first couple weeks of February and let March happen when it happens.
Campbell isn't going to get 10 million a year. Douglas will likely be gone simply because he, Stokes and Alexander are all outside guys and of course you're going to sign Alexander. Add in CB is a coveted position and someone will pony up for him.
Not sure why everyone thinks Tonyan is going to get some huge blockbuster contract. He's a good TE, he's not Kelce.
Adams, huge coin. Well deserved. I'm guessing a big part depends on Rodgers.
@Sufferinginmn posted:Just been thinking about this scenario lately. If you had a gun to your head and were forced to choose between re-signing A rodgers or keeping Gute over the next four years, what would you do. Personally, I would choose Gute. Just the fact that he picked up both Douglas and DeVondre who turned out to be freaking all-pros is enough to sway my opinion, What do you all think?
This team is FAR closer to 4-13 than 13-4 without Rodgers.
This is conversation better suited for loser fan boards. Not real life.
Hank, this board would suck without your rage posts...peeps like you make the world more fun. I'd have a beer with you, holding hands while riding down the packer sledding hill anyday!
Tandem Tube.
@Henry posted:Not sure why everyone thinks Tonyan is going to get some huge blockbuster contract. He's a good TE, he's not Kelce.
Coming off an ACL it’s not happening. Luckily this year’s TE class is generational…there will be a Travis Kelce type guy taken…maybe a couple. In most year’s Iowa’s LaPorta would be the first or 2nd TE off the board. He might not even be the 10th guy taken this year.
If I knew how to insert a gif it be this...
Copy image and paste works for me.
I'd also enjoy looking at BK's packer scrapbook or his slideshow carosal. I may even suffer through fedyas 30 minute black and white 8mm film presentation featuring 1920's film erotica.
Hank and Suffering, who is on the bottom on the tube ride and where is Murphy?
Not sure about the murph, but I do know fedya will film it then write an irrelevant review of the event and post it here.
...then, about 3 months later after others have commented about the event, Goldie will start a thread that reads...
HEY GUYS DID YOU SEE THAT SUFF AND HANK WENT SLEDDING AT THE LAMBEAU HILL
@Sufferinginmn posted:Just been thinking about this scenario lately. If you had a gun to your head and were forced to choose between re-signing A rodgers or keeping Gute...
Please seek help.
I'd flip a coin. Both of their contracts are set to expire after 2022.
Gute can draft. He does fairly well in personnel and FA decisions. There is no replacing Rodgers.
But here’s the problem some Packer fans can’t grasp. Joe Burrow, Justin H., Murray etc can’t ever replace him either. Rodgers is simply
at a level no other QB will ever be at. Ever.
And that’s where this same ilk loves to rip on Love. The bar is so insanely high , of course he’ll never get there. But guess what? Neither will ever of these any other ones either.
NFL teams across the league would kill to have the FO the Packers do. Time and again, they usually make the right decisions when it comes to the draft and who to extend and who to move from. It’s almost never the popular decision they make to appease fans. But In the end, more often then not they get it right.
