The Brewer Nation@BrewerNation
Shaun Marcum was on Sirius/XM radio this afternoon and told the hosts that the door is not closed for a possible return to the #Brewers.
J.P. Breen@JP_Breen
Ryan Dempster may be nearing a deal w/ #RedSox, per @Ken_Rosenthal. #Brewers
Tom@Haudricourt
#Brewers GM Doug Melvin said he's not in on Brian Wilson but added "He looks like a Milwaukee type of guy. He'd have fun in Milwaukee."
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Please keep checking his blog and drawing attention to it.
pimping al's blog again, nice. Without you an al, we wouldn't have nuggets like this...
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Casey wonders why blacks are fatter and drink more in WI than any other state.
I can't say I know, except the colder winters and comparatively high public assistance checks probably play a part. Any ideas?
Glad that is the guy you endorse.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Glad that is the guy you endorse.
Please provide some evidence that I "endorse" the blog. I do read it...as do you. Is the rest of the web commentary world black and white to you like X4?
Again, I'm fairly positive the during this holiday season Al says thanks for continuing to pin that thread at the top and quoting his posts.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Please keep checking his blog and drawing attention to it.
al is a moron, and he's your man. Don't get your feelings so hurt when his stupid is pointed out. It even seems reading and comprehending simple print is beyond his skill set.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Glad that is the guy you endorse.
Please provide some evidence that I "endorse" the blog.
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Don't get your feelings so hurt when his stupid is pointed out.
Please provide some evidence that my feelings are hurt.
The only feeling I have about this is humor that you feel you are providing a public service by calling out posts that fit your narrative.
Anyway moderator, the offseason Hot Stove thread is a good one. Maybe just get rid of this hiccup (or belch) started by your comrade CA and get back to point of it.
Or keep it going...you know best...
So you want me to answer your question, and ignore it completely at the same time.
1. If you feel this is adding value to the Hot Stove thread, keep it...
2. If not, delete it..
or...
3. Maybe move it to the promoted thread pinned at the top...
...again, I'm not the expert in moderating...
2. If not, delete it..
or...
3. Maybe move it to the promoted thread pinned at the top...
...again, I'm not the expert in moderating...
or chosing sources of information
Crew hasn't talked to Marcum...
Obviously Melvin and gang know best but I would like him back on a one-year deal...
Obviously Melvin and gang know best but I would like him back on a one-year deal...
Too much risk with his injury history. Some team will pay him market. Twins?
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So he got the years and the big dollar amount. What a shocker
We keep waiting for common sense to kick in on these contracts but owners are still willing to make huge contract offers without much thought to the risk involved or economics.
We keep waiting for common sense to kick in on these contracts but owners are still willing to make huge contract offers without much thought to the risk involved or economics.
If I had an addiction history, I know SoCal would be the last place for me to play. That said, I hope him the best! Great story of redemption, and I hope it continues.
5 years and $125 million? I know the Crew is a small market team but imagine what this guy could have done in our lineup with Braun, ARam, Weeks and Hart? I think this was one case where Mark A could have called in a few cash reserves.
I think a guy like Hamilton going for $125 million is a steal.
I think a guy like Hamilton going for $125 million is a steal.
25 million a year is a steal?
Ken RosenthalVerified@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: Dempster close with #RedSox on two-year, $26.5 million free-agent contract.
I see this ending very badly
Sources: Dempster close with #RedSox on two-year, $26.5 million free-agent contract.
I see this ending very badly
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After Rosenthal reported earlier Thursday that Dempster was nearing a deal with the Red Sox, Brewers GM Doug Melvin said this to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
“It doesn’t appear that he’ll be coming to Milwaukee,” Melvin told the newspaper’s Tom Haudricourt. “His agent said he’d get back to me and I haven’t heard from him. I don’t want to get into the details but we made what we thought was our best offer. We don’t know what his other offers are. Sometimes, you can bid against yourself in this process.”
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“We thought [Dempster] was a fit with us,” Melvin told the paper. “This may be one of those years when we don’t do too much. We’re still looking at relievers but we might see if we get a surprise in spring training. We said we didn’t anticipate going heavily into the free-agent market anyway. One of the starters that doesn’t make our rotation might have to go to the bullpen.”
I like it. Dempster at 2 years, 18-20 million I could suck up because it is not my money, but 2/26 is to rich for what you will get (and he will get destroyed in the AL I believe). Go with the young guys right now, and if there is someone hanging around in a couple months, make an offer.
After Rosenthal reported earlier Thursday that Dempster was nearing a deal with the Red Sox, Brewers GM Doug Melvin said this to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
“It doesn’t appear that he’ll be coming to Milwaukee,” Melvin told the newspaper’s Tom Haudricourt. “His agent said he’d get back to me and I haven’t heard from him. I don’t want to get into the details but we made what we thought was our best offer. We don’t know what his other offers are. Sometimes, you can bid against yourself in this process.”
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“We thought [Dempster] was a fit with us,” Melvin told the paper. “This may be one of those years when we don’t do too much. We’re still looking at relievers but we might see if we get a surprise in spring training. We said we didn’t anticipate going heavily into the free-agent market anyway. One of the starters that doesn’t make our rotation might have to go to the bullpen.”
I like it. Dempster at 2 years, 18-20 million I could suck up because it is not my money, but 2/26 is to rich for what you will get (and he will get destroyed in the AL I believe). Go with the young guys right now, and if there is someone hanging around in a couple months, make an offer.
Could the Crew maybe get some pitching from Texas for Hart?
That Angels line-up is frightening. Expensive but loaded with talent.
you said butt loaded
Anibal Sanchez to the Cubbies, or not
Jon Morosi@jonmorosi
#Cubs and Anibal Sanchez do not have a done deal as of this moment, source says. Stay tuned. Long day, long night for ball scribes.
Rumored 5/75 (wouldn't be a terrible deal IMO)
Jon Morosi@jonmorosi
#Cubs and Anibal Sanchez do not have a done deal as of this moment, source says. Stay tuned. Long day, long night for ball scribes.
Rumored 5/75 (wouldn't be a terrible deal IMO)
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
That Angels line-up is frightening. Expensive but loaded with talent.
Motivated?
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Rumored 5/75 (wouldn't be a terrible deal IMO)
5 years is way too long IMO. Especially for a rebuilding club. And I will add is he worth it?
I am kinda disappointed Dempster signed for 2 years with Boston. I think he could have done that in Milwaukee...
So, Melvin has come out and said that the Crew will probably not do much of anything now in FA. Can this club win with what its going to put on the field next season?
I know the Brewers do not have the payroll flexibility of the Dodgers, Angels or Yankees but slashing payroll to under $80 million represents quite a drop. I know its all about putting butts in seats, but if the team isn't winning then what? Do we drop payroll down to say $60 million in 2014??? $50 million in 2015???
I'm mostly worried about the pitching staff. We are obviously going to go with a very young and unproven pitching staff outside of a few. That in and of itself is a little bit scarey...Thoughts?
I know the Brewers do not have the payroll flexibility of the Dodgers, Angels or Yankees but slashing payroll to under $80 million represents quite a drop. I know its all about putting butts in seats, but if the team isn't winning then what? Do we drop payroll down to say $60 million in 2014??? $50 million in 2015???
I'm mostly worried about the pitching staff. We are obviously going to go with a very young and unproven pitching staff outside of a few. That in and of itself is a little bit scarey...Thoughts?
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick Anibal Sanchez is returning to #tigers on five-year, $80M deal, as @BNightengale previously reported. Sorry, #cubs fans.
Well, it's obvious that's the plan. Stay competitive and go young. It's a calculated risk not unlike the things that have made Ted Thompson a guy to argue over in the past. Your a hero if you hit, a goat if you don't.
For the Brewers, I really think the time is now. There are so many factors weighing against a sacrificed season. Gallardo is on year closer to a gigantic payday. Corey Hart is coming up. Rickie Weeks. If Gomez has another huge season, he skyrockets with Boras as his agent.
One thing this also open up though is the deadline deal. If the Brewers are in the thick of things come July, they can make a move to acquire a need and have plenty of room on the payroll. He'll, Dempster may end up in a Brewer uni after all...
For the Brewers, I really think the time is now. There are so many factors weighing against a sacrificed season. Gallardo is on year closer to a gigantic payday. Corey Hart is coming up. Rickie Weeks. If Gomez has another huge season, he skyrockets with Boras as his agent.
One thing this also open up though is the deadline deal. If the Brewers are in the thick of things come July, they can make a move to acquire a need and have plenty of room on the payroll. He'll, Dempster may end up in a Brewer uni after all...
I guess thats why I think we could have given the same or a similar deal to Hamilton. He instantly makes us the most prolific offense in the national League. Sure, it increases payroll but sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Maybe it was my own personal pipe dream.
Still need to address the starting rotation IMO. I like what the kids on the farm are doing. Love some of the outings we were given by them throughout the season, but now we are talking about a sustained effort for an entire season. Who makes the rotation? Who goes to the pen? Other than henderson setting up for Ax, what other rolls are truly defined? I think missing out on Dempster was huge, but I also understand melvin not wanting to get another Suppan/Wolfe type deal on the books.
Lets roll through December and let the countdown to Spring Training begin!
Still need to address the starting rotation IMO. I like what the kids on the farm are doing. Love some of the outings we were given by them throughout the season, but now we are talking about a sustained effort for an entire season. Who makes the rotation? Who goes to the pen? Other than henderson setting up for Ax, what other rolls are truly defined? I think missing out on Dempster was huge, but I also understand melvin not wanting to get another Suppan/Wolfe type deal on the books.
Lets roll through December and let the countdown to Spring Training begin!
quote:Originally posted by OkinawaMarine:
So, Melvin has come out and said that the Crew will probably not do much of anything now in FA. Can this club win with what its going to put on the field next season?
They finished 5 games out of the playoffs and were right there until the final week of the season with the bullpen absolutely being a dumpster fire and no Greinke in the 2H. Of course they can win.
This is a great offensive club. I expect that continues and possibly improves with the experience Segura gained and hopefully avoiding a start like Weeks had.
The SP is young, but I think can be solid. Gallardo is the known quantity. I do think that between Peralta, Rogers, Fiers, Estrada, and Thornburg we can trot out a decent enough staff. I especially like Estrada, Rogers, and Peralta. Would I like another experienced starter? Of course, but they are crazy expensive and I'm glad that Melvin is not repeating the mistakes of Suppan and Wolf but throwing market money at a 35+ year old guy.
The bullpen needs to be retooled and frankly just perform. Not sure if we have the guys right now. I do think Axford can perform closer to his 11 results vs 12 and that will help a lot.
quote:I know the Brewers do not have the payroll flexibility of the Dodgers, Angels or Yankees but slashing payroll to under $80 million represents quite a drop.
The off season isn't over. And, instead of focusing on how much the payroll is, it's more effective to debate over the makeup of that roster at said payroll. Sure the Brewers could have given Dempster $15M. But is that more effective than getting 2 bats and a bullpen guy for $15M? Yeah, would have been amazing to think about Braun/Hamilton/Ramirez, but what happens when Hamilton plays only 80 games, or has a relapse...
I love that Melvin isn't repeating the same mistakes of throwing a significant part of his budget at free agents that historically flame out more often than not.
Are they going to win? Don't know. I also don't know what the final roster will be, but the 2H showed me that their is a pretty solid foundation here, and I desperately want to see the young pitchers get a chance, because how well they perform will not only tell what 2013 looks like, but can set the stage for a decent run of being in the mix every year. I want to see Rogers and Peralta and Thornburg getting a shot instead of yet another Randy Wolf retread that pitches well once every 6 weeks and does just enough to lose every other start. At some point we HAVE to give these guys their shot. This needs to be that year.
Problem with giving Hamilton that deal is he would have been making more than Braun. Don't think that would have gone over well in the clubhouse.
The Cardinals, as much as I hate them, are a model to follow. The didn't exactly collapse witho Pujols. Right back in the NLcS.
Like I said- a calculated risk that will hopefully pay off.
Like I said- a calculated risk that will hopefully pay off.
quote:Originally posted by OkinawaMarine:
I guess thats why I think we could have given the same or a similar deal to Hamilton. He instantly makes us the most prolific offense in the national League. Sure, it increases payroll but sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
How much more money can they make? When you already put 3 million butts in the seats there was not enough extra $$$$ to be made to pay for Hamilton. We can't generate the local TV $$$$ like Yankees and Dodgers and Angels. Mark A is doing the right thing. Scale back and let the youngsters come through.
I think the Brewers are probably taking the right approach
As much as I like Hamilton and Dempster, the reality is that you simply cannot take that big of a risk at this point (for different reasons). If Hamilton goes off the rails your screwed with the cap for the next 5 years. If Dempster performs like a number of older pitchers do (i.e. Suppan, Wolf) that ties your hands with extending current players or going out to add a guy during the season
Surely, this team is not perfect, but keep in mind they were competitive with the pitching staff they will likely trot out in 2013 and I think it's highly unlikely they can blow 30 games by the bullpen again.
As much as I like Hamilton and Dempster, the reality is that you simply cannot take that big of a risk at this point (for different reasons). If Hamilton goes off the rails your screwed with the cap for the next 5 years. If Dempster performs like a number of older pitchers do (i.e. Suppan, Wolf) that ties your hands with extending current players or going out to add a guy during the season
Surely, this team is not perfect, but keep in mind they were competitive with the pitching staff they will likely trot out in 2013 and I think it's highly unlikely they can blow 30 games by the bullpen again.
We trade Greinke, Marcum was hurt or pitching badly, and Wolf was lobbying softballs in the AL. The team played it's best baseball in August and September becoming a contender at one point! Segura and the young pitchers take another step forward and watch out.
MC is right about having the chance to fill a hole in season if the need arises.
MC is right about having the chance to fill a hole in season if the need arises.
quote:Originally posted by OkinawaMarine:
He instantly makes us the most prolific offense in the national League.
they were pretty prolific without him
This is such a positive direction for the Brewers. Now if they can draft and develop some young players that become above average MLB players they will compete going forward with a reasoble payroll. Hitters always are available. Pitching is the key for the future. It will be nice not to see Randy Wolf and 1/2 dozen or so of the failed relivers in the box scores. Each day starts with HOPE!