I think it is more about his decision making when his primary receiver isn't open, which speaks more to some teams figuring out MFL's offense and taking away the primary receiver by playing a different coverage than expected.
The worry is that he stopped putting in the extra work once he got paid. I hope that's not the case, but that's definitely something that has to be considered.
@FLPACKER posted:I think it is more about his decision making when his primary receiver isn't open, which speaks more to some teams figuring out MFL's offense and taking away the primary receiver by playing a different coverage than expected.
For the money heâs making, he needs to find a way to be productive when his primary receiver isnât open.
Trying to be productive when there isnât a receiver open may be part of his struggles. Incompletions and even sacks are almost always better than interceptions.
Incompletions and sacks are always better than interceptions. QB job is find a way to avoid all 3. Love didnât manage that well this year.
Not always. A fourth down interception is better than a fourth down sack or incompletion.
@Fedya posted:Not always. A fourth down interception is better than a fourth down sack or incompletion.
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@MichiganPacker2 posted:The worry is that he stopped putting in the extra work once he got paid. I hope that's not the case, but that's definitely something that has to be considered.
I don't see that. For me the worry is that he just doesn't have to see the entire field and fails to transfer what he does see into action. That was the knock on him coming out of college. Similar as to why some guys are really good at hitting a baseball and others aren't.
@FLPACKER posted:I don't see that. For me the worry is that he just doesn't have to see the entire field and fails to transfer what he does see into action. That was the knock on him coming out of college. Similar as to why some guys are really good at hitting a baseball and others aren't.
Why am I not good at hitting baseballs?
I think he could be just like Jayden without all the rush yards, maybe. But he could duplicate the playmaking we saw this year by Daniels.
@Shadow posted:Why am I not good at hitting baseballs?
This explains it in detail
@FLPACKER posted:This explains it in detail
Thanks! I didn't understand it the first time.
I will hold out hope for Love to improve for 3 reasons.
1) He just hasnât played a lot of football since 2019 and skipped a year of college eligibility. He still could get better with more experience.
2) He was a little bit more beat up in 2024 than he was exiting the 2023 season. He just kind of got the season off on a bad note. Missed some training camp due to contract issues. Then got a fairly significant injury week 1. At least next year, thereâs no contract stuff hanging over him and heâll likely start the season healthier, fresher, and more in sync than he did last year.
3) He did play really well to end that 2023 season. It does give some hope he has another level and a âhot streakâ he didnât quite reach this year.
Now, that all said, talk is cheap, heâs gotta make it happen. If we exit 2025 with the same questions we have about Love in 2024, there will be real concern that he can ever be the QB of a Super Bowl champion.
I hold out hope simply because he's only been the starter for two seasons (and we all saw what he's capable of last year).
OLine help/self improvement along with MLF learning how to merge Jacob and Lloyd (yes I think he can be a dude too) running with the passing games to give Jordan better looks will do wonders. The skill set is there weâve seen it as mentioned above.
Jordan himself still has to put in the work too.
Did Love host the WRs last year like he did the year before? I didn't see anything about it this past year. While some may scoff at its importance, I do think it helps just to bring them together -- especially after your QB gets a massive payday and all the other guys want one in a year or so. They just need to get on the same page and sort out the egos.
I'm also curious what Love is going to be like without Clements. We've always agreed how good a QB coach he is, but maybe he and Love didn't mesh last year? Love's a young guy; Clements isn't. Maybe it was just time to get someone else, as hard as that may be to accept.
@FLPACKER posted:I think it is more about his decision making when his primary receiver isn't open, which speaks more to some teams figuring out MFL's offense and taking away the primary receiver by playing a different coverage than expected.
If you go back to the game analysis JTOS did on his games last year, there isn't much evidence pointing to him only being able to throw to his first read. If anything, it's that defenses have figured out how to take away MORE than the primary read. Is that on 10, the WRs or on MLF? We've all seen the very common occurrence of "nobody's open" this year so draw your own conclusions. I'm sure he missed some open guys. Every QB does. Regarding MLF, we're hearing more and more about how JJ and the passing game were not complimenting each other.
What would concern me are the issues he had in college resurfacing. Those are often the things that just make a guy "who he is" unless he is able to grow out of them. He's shown both sides. Consistency is the issue.
I'm with the "running and passing game didn't mesh this year" crowd. Earlier, I said the offense felt "herky-jerky" after the flow of last year. Last year, one play melded into the next play and it all added up to a smooth game with a good offensive rhythm. This year, it was like MLF tried to keep everyone happy by spreading the ball around when there were times it wasn't necessary. If the run is working, keep pounding and tough crap if the WRs want more touches, and vice versa. Team first. Call plays with the next play in mind. (If there was one case of that glaring problem, it was the TO in the Bears game.)
One other thing I noticed was that last year the ball was being snapped with lots of time left on the play clock so the timing between plays was shorter; the OL had better takeoffs and the flow/rhythm was smoother/quicker. This year it was back to waiting until less than five seconds remained to snap the ball, ala Rodgers, giving the D a chance to tee off and see the play because it's too late to change.
There are 2 things that Love needs for his best chance of success:
1. Solidifying/Improving the OL.
The Packers have a good, sometimes very good, OL, but his protection needs to be a bit better.
It's fair to guess there will be a new C, whether that comes from a current player, draft, or possibly a FA. So that issue is priority #1 for me.
2. Love needs a WR who will help him grow.
I think Love has a TE who can/does do that for him, and Musgrave may even have a role to do the same, but he needs a downfield guy that can reliably stretch a defense and catch the kind of passes that Love throws.
Reed, Wicks, Doubs are a core that can excel in the slot and/or intermediate routes, but they need to beat their man more often and CTFB. I'd hope a real deep threat would help them do that.
I agree. Although he was seldom sacked, Jordan appears to be bothered by the pocket slowly being pushed back and getting near his feet, of course that would be minimized if they weren't trying to take as many shots down the field. The Packer organization seems to think more of Meyers than anyone outside of it does, so it will be interesting to see how aggressive they are about resigning him.
A top 20 type vet WR would really help not just Jordan, but also our young receivers. I also wonder about how much ability to change plays MLF gives Jordan. It appears that he can go from a run to a pass or vise versa at the LOS, but not change to a different pass play based on coverage. There just has to be a solution for "they played a lot more man than they thought they would". The main purpose of motion is to identify whether they are in man or zone coverage...but it does you no good if there is no ability to change or at least adjust the play based on that knowledge.