JPP could still be explosive
even if he only provided single digit sack numbers
free agency isnt an exact science more like a finger in the wind approach
I'd imagine the Packers like their roster/options and don't see them going for any of the remaining FAs until, at a minimum, a few games into the season. Gives them time to evaluate during real games and see if/where deficiencies are.
Could be rong, but any FA vet signed now who makes the final 53 for week one has their pay guaranteed for the year. However, if signed after week one their pay is not guaranteed. So, if they don't pan out for any reason they can be released with a much lesser financial hit. Thus, if Gutie adds any FA it would likely be after week one.
@DurangoDoug posted:Could be rong, but any FA vet signed now who makes the final 53 for week one has their pay guaranteed for the year. However, if signed after week one their pay is not guaranteed.
Indeed.
And both the vet players and their agents are acutely aware of this...and will use it to their advantage in negotiating deals.
Team A says " We'll wait until after game 1"
Team B says " we'll sign him now"
Sometimes, that's The Decider. The flip side for both the player and the teams is that any of them may sustain an injury that changes their needs/focus and or opens up new opportunities that weren't there before.
Its a game of chicken & musical chairs around the league.
End of the day, they've all got decisions to make and must remember:
A bird in the hand isn't better than a hand in the bush
its tough to sign a spot with lots of thinking at this point, DE is fairly easy, see QB hit QB...flowers is interesting. I think Jpp wants too much $$$ same with suh.
Unless an injury forces his hand, the only thing I see Gutey doing is scouring the scrap heap at the final cutdown to marginally improve the roster. All those players have been available and he would have already kicked the tires if any real interest was there.
@DurangoDoug posted:Could be rong, but any FA vet signed now who makes the final 53 for week one has their pay guaranteed for the year. However, if signed after week one their pay is not guaranteed. So, if they don't pan out for any reason they can be released with a much lesser financial hit. Thus, if Gutie adds any FA it would likely be after week one.
Not that a player would sign for a small amount, but I think this would be pretty easy to work through. A team would offer a base contract with incentives. Don't know what the vet minimum would be, but it would be fairly easy to absorb should the player end up getting cut.
That said, I think a lot of these players would prefer to "wait and see". Most probably have no desire to be in any training camp. Once the season starts and teams have injuries, underproduction, etc, those FAs are in a much better position to negotiate.
JPP, Flowers and Sanders are worth some tire kicking. Sanders can still be productive when Cobb or Watkins get banged up and a third edge rusher for some rotation snaps would be helpful at some point.
From NFL.com
Lowest completion % allowed last season…
D.J. Reed - 47.7%
J.C. Jackson - 49.1%
Eric Stokes - 49.5%
A.J. Terrell - 50.0%
Patrick Surtain II - 51.0%
(min. 75+ targets)
Here's a twitter feed from Dusty Evely.
He does a ton of film study and here are his comments on Caleb Jones
"Watched Caleb Jones' snaps from the 2nd preseason game and I have some thoughts: Love the potential. Tremendous size and some great power that goes with it. His initial punch is insane, and when he's road-grading on runs it's really something to watch.
However...SUPER raw. He's got power but loses leverage pretty easily. Needs to learn to play a little more within his base. When he gets in space it gets pretty dicey. More than one whiff on a block. Trouble lining guys up. Seems like he gets caught thinking a little too hard.
Certainly had some solid moments against the Saints, but I feel like he would get torn to shreds against starters at this point. That being said, when he really locks on in the run game or lands a punch in pass pro, it's stunning to watch."
from Ben Fennell
clip of Packers Safety3, Shawn Davis.
Dude gets rocked, recovers and makes the play.
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Training camp is winding down, our thoughts drift toward the opener in minny
MLF is 2-1 in that stadium and that played a part in sending Zimmer packing
Hey O'Connell, who's the new boss of the NFC North?
Same as the old boss...Best you get used to looking up at the Packers
Cool shot of Bahk taking on Caleb Jones
And then...Caleb Jones locking out Bahk with those tree trunk arms
Stokes Vs Watkins
@Satori posted:Cool shot of Bahk taking on Caleb Jones
We are going to smack those purple fuckers around, aren’t we?🔥
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) August 29, 2022
He also said it wasn’t because of the shoulder brace I’ve never seen him wear before. We were previously told it was not related to his ACL recovery.
Whatever the case, he was back today.
(As an aside, David Bakhtiari walked by and said it’s the contact)
@Goalline posted:We are going to smack those purple fuckers around, aren’t we?🔥
You have an aura of Eeyore.
Oh my, he’s Irish??? ☘️. And kind cute, not as handsome as our man, but he is a lot nicer looking then that blind coach they had. 😂 🤣 😂
O'Connell reminds me of Bill Paxson from the Aliens movie.
Are you sure about the pulse being needed?
Not Goldie, and not Beef.
Someone in the south I believe.
@Goalline posted:— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) August 29, 2022
He also said it wasn’t because of the shoulder brace I’ve never seen him wear before. We were previously told it was not related to his ACL recovery.
Whatever the case, he was back today.
(As an aside, David Bakhtiari walked by and said it’s the contact)
David’s joke aside. I thought about that. Perhaps they were holding him out of practice because a trade for him was being considered. They did not want him injured. Then it might have fell through. Jenkins tweet might have been made in the middle of that process before it fell through and why it was deleted later.
@Satori posted:.
Training camp is winding down, our thoughts drift toward the opener in minny
MLF is 2-1 in that stadium and that played a part in sending Zimmer packing
Hey O'Connell, who's the new boss of the NFC North?
Same as the old boss...Best you get used to looking up at the Packers
I will be there for the opening game. Damn I hope MLF will make it 3-1 there.
Not sure why I decided to torture myself going to that stadium.
@PackerPatrick posted:David’s joke aside. I thought about that. Perhaps they were holding him out of practice because a trade for him was being considered. They did not want him injured. Then it might have fell through. Jenkins tweet might have been made in the middle of that process before it fell through and why it was deleted later.
Must have missed it....what did Jenkins' tweet say?
@RochNyFan posted:Must have missed it....what did Jenkins' tweet say?
I don’t have Twitter and it was deleted right away. I hate to paraphrase it without seeing it again. The tone of it was odd and seem to reflect a possible change in environment.
I am sure one of the smart people here could dig it up. I lack in that area.
Edit: the only other possibility is that he was mad about his treatment at a restaurant. https://wisportsheroics.com/pa...estaurant-of-racism/
Gutekunst on the #Packers' O-line:
"I like our group. We have some very established players in our room. I think we have enough depth there. I really like the youth. It's been nice getting those two tackles back."
that suggests...Jenkins to RT and Newman at RG
Looks like Rudy Ford might be another ST’s pick up.
Ford is an elite athlete. He posted a Relative Athletic Score (RAS) of 9.19 coming out of Auburn in 2017, with a 4.40-second 40-yard dash and 20 reps on the bench press.
@Satori posted:Gutekunst on the #Packers' O-line:
"I like our group. We have some very established players in our room. I think we have enough depth there. I really like the youth. It's been nice getting those two tackles back."that suggests...Jenkins to RT and Newman at RG
Wouldn't be surprised if Tom supplants Newman at some point.
@Satori posted:Gutekunst on the #Packers' O-line:
"I like our group. We have some very established players in our room. I think we have enough depth there. I really like the youth. It's been nice getting those two tackles back."that suggests...Jenkins to RT and Newman at RG
Fucking Newman... Tom can't play RG?
@BrainDed posted:Fucking Newman... Tom can't play RG?
I'm sure he can, but its just not his frame/game. Tom has really good feet and can move laterally better than most. Great for an OT. But the price for those quick feet is his "smaller" legs - he just doesn't have the drive power of an NFL OG, yet
Newman was lighter-legged too, but he's had a year+ in the strength and conditioning program and should be a better choice in 2022.
These 4th round guys don't have NFL bodies when they arrive, but they're being asked to take on Pro DL. If you have quick feet- you can make it work at OT, but brute strength is more important for OGs.
Bakhtiari and Jenkins are both practicing today....
@Satori posted:I'm sure he can, but its just not his frame/game. Tom has really good feet and can move laterally better than most. Great for an OT. But the price for those quick feet is his "smaller" legs - he just doesn't have the drive power of an NFL OG, yet
Newman was lighter-legged too, but he's had a year+ in the strength and conditioning program and should be a better choice in 2022.
These 4th round guys don't have NFL bodies when they arrive, but they're being asked to take on Pro DL. If you have quick feet- you can make it work at OT, but brute strength is more important for OGs.
It used to be the other way around. Back in the 60's and 70's you wanted quicker guards who could pull on the sweeps and such. Forrest Gregg was much stronger that Jerry Kramer. Jerry used to tell Forrest that he was going to switch to tackle when Forrest retired so he wouldn't have to run as much. Same on the other side of the Packer line. Skronski was bigger and stronger than Fuzzy.