@D J posted:Optimism! Is that allowed?
I do wish they hadn't done the Bakh contract, seemed to me it was a sop to Rodgers as much as anything. No one knew that he'd get hurt of course, but I thought the signing was way too much.
You know what you call teams who let a franchise LT leave. You call them Washington Football Team. Ain’t nobody trying the become that.
yes. insane
@packerboi posted:MLF would be an idiot to let Getsy also go to Denver. If Hackett is hired, he can find his own OC, Gesty stays put and can be promoted to OC here.
Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) January 24, 2022
Cowboys DC Dan Quinn
Rams OC Kevin O'Connell
Luke Getsy out. If Hackett gets the job, I'd imagine Getsy gets promoted to OC in Green Bay. Would he make a lateral move to be an OC who doesn't call plays in Denver if a certain QB joins him and Hackett? https://t.co/TjQPwDBYRZ
Didn't Quinn interview for the Bears HC job, too?
I have a feeling Mo Drayton isn't going anywhere....MLF danced around it saying they need to look at what other teams do in terms of using starters over bench guys.
If he keeps Drayton, he deserves all the heat that comes his way for the gaffes.
@Chongo posted:I have a feeling Mo Drayton isn't going anywhere....MLF danced around it saying they need to look at what other teams do in terms of using starters over bench guys.
If he keeps Drayton, he deserves all the heat that comes his way for the gaffes.
Didn't he see what we witnessed all year? Possible that he's being politically correct?
He’s not keeping Drayton.
My reading of MLF's comments were that he's got an evaluation process that he wants to fully complete. Other than making some fans feel emotionally satisfied I'm not sure what a speedy termination of Drayton really accomplishes.
Worst STs in the league (by far) which was directly responsible for Saturday’s playoff loss. Just because he hasn’t been fired yet doesn’t mean it’s not coming.
There’s absolutely no way Drayton keeps his job.
@Jessie Clark posted:tonyan was a marginal player before he wrecked his knee. move on
He was a moderately above average receiving TE. He's clearly an NFL player, but he looked really good for the Packers because other than one partial year of Jared Cook (and I guess a mummified version of Jimmy Graham), the Packers haven't had a Pro Bowl caliber TE (as a receiver) since Finley got hurt. It's been Richard Rogers, M. Lewis, DeGaura, Sternberger, Daffney, etc. Some of those guys are really good in the running game (not Sternberger), but they all can be covered by LBs (and in some cases DL). Tonyan at least required a safety to cover.
No matter what else they do this off-season (and whether they go with Love or Rodgers), they need to get a TE that can stress a defense in the passing game. Tonyan probably won't be back until mid-season.
@packerboi posted:MLF would be an idiot to let Getsy also go to Denver. If Hackett is hired, he can find his own OC, Gesty stays put and can be promoted to OC here.
Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) January 24, 2022
Cowboys DC Dan Quinn
Rams OC Kevin O'Connell
Luke Getsy out. If Hackett gets the job, I'd imagine Getsy gets promoted to OC in Green Bay. Would he make a lateral move to be an OC who doesn't call plays in Denver if a certain QB joins him and Hackett? https://t.co/TjQPwDBYRZ
As well as Steno has done with the OL, gotta think he'd be in play also...it's going to be one or the other...sadly I think we lose the other to Hackett's staff...be it Denver or some other place.
@MichiganPacker posted:He was a moderately above average receiving TE. He's clearly an NFL player, but he looked really good for the Packers because other than one partial year of Jared Cook (and I guess a mummified version of Jimmy Graham), the Packers haven't had a Pro Bowl caliber TE (as a receiver) since Finley got hurt. It's been Richard Rogers, M. Lewis, DeGaura, Sternberger, Daffney, etc. Some of those guys are really good in the running game (not Sternberger), but they all can be covered by LBs (and in some cases DL). Tonyan at least required a safety to cover.
No matter what else they do this off-season (and whether they go with Love or Rodgers), they need to get a TE that can stress a defense in the passing game. Tonyan probably won't be back until mid-season.
My observation over the years has been that to really threaten the seam of cover 2 with the TE, the TE has to be athletic ... the vast majority of all-pro TE's have run the 40 in under 4.65 ...Tonyan 4.58 ... Deguara 4.72, not saying Tonyan is on-level with the best, but he has the athletic ability (at least he did before his injury) to be a threat in the middle of the field.
With the expected salary cap to be $209M Packers would be about $25M over...seems like a lot, but they can get that down in a hurry by whacking Z, restructuring Aaron and Preston, and renegotiating Cobb.
With the emergence of Slaton, I'd expect Lowry or Lancaster to be gone. Kevin King will be gone as well.
@FLPACKER posted:My observation over the years has been that to really threaten the seam of cover 2 with the TE, the TE has to be athletic ... the vast majority of all-pro TE's have run the 40 in under 4.65 ...Tonyan 4.58 ... Deguara 4.72, not saying Tonyan is on-level with the best, but he has the athletic ability (at least he did before his injury) to be a threat in the middle of the field.
They also need to be tall. If you look at Gronk, Kelce, Kittle they're all in the 6' 5" to 6' 6" range. Tonyan is 6' 5". Deguara is 6' 2". A lot of these guys make their money catching passes over the top of defenders more than anything.
Honestly if Lazard put on some weight he'd make a hell of a TE. He has the height and blocking ability, just needs another 15-20 lbs on him.
Not sure how accurate Spotrac is but they are estimating a cap of 211M and the Packers would be -38M in the hole for 2022.
If they did nothing with Rodgers 46M contract they could get back above water (barely) by cutting Z, Preston, Lowry and Cobb. Cutting Amos and Crosby would net them about 10M.
I agree, he wasn't drafted because it was thought that he couldn't separate from CBs...here is his analysis from NFL.com
Lazard has been a productive, four-year player who relies on his size and strength to muscle Big 12 cornerbacks around when making the contested catch. Lazard is a possession receiver, but his lack of play speed and athletic ability could make separating from NFL cornerbacks a difficult challenge. With his size and toughness, a switch to pass-catching tight end might give him a better shot at having a productive NFL career.
@Tschmack posted:Not sure how accurate Spotrac is but they are estimating a cap of 211M and the Packers would be -38M in the hole for 2022.
If they did nothing with Rodgers 46M contract they could get back above water (barely) by cutting Z, Preston, Lowry and Cobb. Cutting Amos and Crosby would net them about 10M.
I would be in favor of keeping Lowry & Amos. Lowry played much better this year and unless they think Slaton can make a huge jump, and / or the draft / FA could really help, losing him would downgrade an already weak position group. With Savage having a disappointing season, same thing with Amos, losing him would really make the safety position weak.
For Cap following and accurate data for GB, follow this dude. A lot of sports media in WI swear by him and his stuff is usually very, very spot on:
Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) / Twitter
And speaking of, a very good point:
Don't give players a significant voice in personnel decisions - they don't have to face any consequences if/when things go poorly.
— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) January 24, 2022
Same goes for owners, fans, media, etc. https://t.co/5C0dYOFWIq
Does MLF have enough asshole in him to win a championship? Serious question...we know he's a great OC, but he's also had a HOF QB to work with...not whacking Drayton would give me serious questions about is he the kind of guy who can fire someone that needs to be?
Legit question...inability to fire people has ended more than one HC career.
^^^The same question applies to whether MLF has the balls to stand up to AR should he return. My immediate guess is no. AR was fixated on stat padding Adams all year. Yes, he's a tremendous WR and arguably the best in the NFL.
But I also can't see MLF pointing to a streaking, wide-open Lazard on Saturday and asking him why the fu** didn't he throw it to him instead of a double covered Adams.
AR missed several open WR's in the NFCC last year as well.
#Packers signed a new QB. Former #Patriots Danny Etling, per his agency JL Sports.
— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) January 25, 2022
Camp arm.
If MLF doesn't fire Drayton, then MLF should be fired. And Tonyan is the best TE we have had in a long time and we have wasted a lot of money (Bennet, Graham, etc.) and some draft choices trying to find someone with anywhere near the talent of Tonyan. I would do what I could to keep him.
@packerboi posted:^^^The same question applies to whether MLF has the balls to stand up to AR should he return. My immediate guess is no. AR was fixated on stat padding Adams all year. Yes, he's a tremendous WR and arguably the best in the NFL.
But I also can't see MLF pointing to a streaking, wide-open Lazard on Saturday and asking him why the fu** didn't he throw it to him instead of a double covered Adams.
AR missed several open WR's in the NFCC last year as well.
I don't think he would ever get after 12 enough. Maybe he's just a nice guy that cant be firm enough to take control when it matters most. His record is obviously outstanding outside of the playoffs. We will see what he has after Rodgers leaves whenever that is.
@packerboi posted:For Cap following and accurate data for GB, follow this dude. A lot of sports media in WI swear by him and his stuff is usually very, very spot on:
Good link. Here's where we currently stand:
Right Now ($42.4M over)
Start of free agency ($58.5M over)
After the draft ($61.1M over)
Start of season ($71.3M over)
*Includes signing the current practice squad, ERFAs, RFA, and Draft - No UFAs, extensions, restructures
Note, UFA's are: Adams, King, Tonyan, Sullivan, Campbell, Patrick, Kelly, Lancaster, Bojorquez, Douglas, St. Brown, Yaidom, Heflin, MVS. So their potential new contracts are not counted in the above totals.
@michiganjoe posted:My reading of MLF's comments were that he's got an evaluation process that he wants to fully complete. Other than making some fans feel emotionally satisfied I'm not sure what a speedy termination of Drayton really accomplishes.
They are planning to kill him? Splendid! Can we watch?
@packerboi posted:^^^The same question applies to whether MLF has the balls to stand up to AR should he return. My immediate guess is no. AR was fixated on stat padding Adams all year. Yes, he's a tremendous WR and arguably the best in the NFL.
But I also can't see MLF pointing to a streaking, wide-open Lazard on Saturday and asking him why the fu** didn't he throw it to him instead of a double covered Adams.
AR missed several open WR's in the NFCC last year as well.
So if Rodgers stays and then goes rouge again what is MLF going to do, bench a possible 4 time MVP? Fine him? Only call running plays? I guess the Love era could begin earlier than we thought if MLF gets tough with Rodgers. As long as Rodgers is in Green Bay the same things will happen over and over and over. We have witnessed it enough.
@13X posted:And Tonyan is the best TE we have had in a long time and we have wasted a lot of money (Bennet, Graham, etc.) and some draft choices trying to find someone with anywhere near the talent of Tonyan. I would do what I could to keep him.
Yup, lots of folks judging Tonyan on this season when he stayed in a lot to help with the blocking.
Tonyan isn't going anywhere coming off a blown ACL...we can have him if we want him.
Unless they are drafting a P, Bojo makes a lot of sense to bring back. If his holding is that big of a problem, have him work on it endlessly in the off-season. Douglas is another guy that would be a no-brainer IMO to bring back. Everyone else can go.
Obviously, Adams is on the wish list, but I'm not going to be be pissed if they let him go...he's gonna get a lot of money. Packers have a lot of money tied up in other players, and have some other guys they will want to extend in the next year.
As much as I like Douglas, I think Campbell is a bigger need. Without Douglas we still have Jaire and Stokes. Without Campbell we have...jack squat.
the problem with taking time with the ST coach, everyday we potentially lose better candidates as teams are also looking to fill rosters, although coaching jobs haven't filled at once, once a HC is hired - their crew follows not long after, we have a pick of the litter to get the best one right now...go get it, it is inconceivable they keep drayton. if they do, i am seriously pissed, can't blame the players 100% for the failures, if the opposition knows your weakness before you do it, that's coaching, and a fail at that.
There isn't a Darren Rizzi available this season, so it's not like the Packers need to be in a hurry. It's either going to be a current assistant (preferably from a top ST team like Baltimore, Indy, KC, NO) or a college guy (bigger risk, but you can find good ones there...Menenga was a massive failure from the jump, but that concerned me because a ST coach I know and respect at the D1 level told me from the start "he's not even the best ST coach in the SEC much less the country, big mistake."
Just get it right this time...I am not asking for All World ST...just top half of a 32 team league.
@ammo posted:So if Rodgers stays and then goes rouge again what is MLF going to do, bench a possible 4 time MVP? Fine him? Only call running plays? I guess the Love era could begin earlier than we thought if MLF gets tough with Rodgers. As long as Rodgers is in Green Bay the same things will happen over and over and over. We have witnessed it enough.
No one is getting tough with Rodgers. Remember, he's a complicated fella.
@Chongo posted:Tonyan isn't going anywhere coming off a blown ACL...we can have him if we want him.
Unless they are drafting a P, Bojo makes a lot of sense to bring back. If his holding is that big of a problem, have him work on it endlessly in the off-season. Douglas is another guy that would be a no-brainer IMO to bring back. Everyone else can go.
Obviously, Adams is on the wish list, but I'm not going to be be pissed if they let him go...he's gonna get a lot of money. Packers have a lot of money tied up in other players, and have some other guys they will want to extend in the next year.
I will say it again. There are a quite a few players on this squad who are more important to our success than Davante. I would not re-sign him.
@ammo posted:So if Rodgers stays and then goes rouge again what is MLF going to do, bench a possible 4 time MVP? Fine him? Only call running plays? I guess the Love era could begin earlier than we thought if MLF gets tough with Rodgers. As long as Rodgers is in Green Bay the same things will happen over and over and over. We have witnessed it enough.
Simple, seems like Hack maybe heading somewhere else….AR, player/coach. Let him call whatever plays he wants.
Maybe MLF is being told not to fire our POS ST coach.
From Rodgers’ appearance on Pat McAfee Show this afternoon.
@RobDemovsky: Aaron Rodgers on @PatMcAfeeShow:
All options are on the table except this one: “One thing I won’t do is retire and then come back a year later.”
“When it comes to have a decision, we’ll have a conversation, and that will be that.”
He spoke well of GM Brian Gutekunst.
@ByRyanWood: Aaron Rodgers says all options are on the table for his future, except this: “One thing I would 100% not do is retire and then come back a year later. I don’t have any desire to do that. That makes no sense.”
@ByRyanWood: Aaron Rodgers expects to make decision on future well before free agency. He points to #Packers window for franchise tagging Davante Adams in February as timeline. “To stretch it out past free agency would be disrespectful to the organization … and that 100% will not happen.”
@ilcuqui posted:@ByRyanWood: Aaron Rodgers expects to make decision on future well before free agency. He points to #Packers window for franchise tagging Davante Adams in February as timeline. “To stretch it out past free agency would be disrespectful to the organization … and that 100% will not happen.”
Yet, he did that last year. Asshole!
@ilcuqui posted:@ByRyanWood: Aaron Rodgers expects to make decision on future well before free agency. He points to #Packers window for franchise tagging Davante Adams in February as timeline. “To stretch it out past free agency would be disrespectful to the organization … and that 100% will not happen.”
Franchise tagging is done between Feb 22 - Mar 8. So we should know the future of Rodgers in GB in the next month.
Honestly, I don't care which way he goes. If he shuts up and keeps the attention on the team, I'll be happy. If it's a repeat of this year where he's in the news every day for something stupid again, no thanks.
