@MichiganPacker posted:I think the fantasy that some 7th round pick was somehow going to be a competent LT after playing 4 snaps on special teams last year is over. It doesn't mean he will never contribute, but he looked completely lost out there tonight. The effort he gave on the sack on the last play of the first half should have gotten him benched.
Put…. In…. Caleb Jones
what so you have to lose?
#12's first year (2008) - record was 6-10. So if the team can go 8-8 this year I'll be happy. Okay, 7-9.
The stats that sum up the difference between these teams right now.
Packers with 12 carries for 27 yards.
Lions with 43 carries for 211 yards.
I don't think a single Packers offensive lineman would start for the Lions.
@BrainDed posted:How is that acceptable when playing for 1st place in the division. Who shoulders the blame in your opinion?
Lafleur shit the bed game planning.
@QuietOne posted:#12's first year (2008) - record was 6-10. So if the team can go 8-8 this year I'll be happy. Okay, 7-9.
The next three are Las Vegas, Denver, and then Minnesota at home. They'll be favored in at least two of those games.
Team is soft and MLF is the epitome of it. Not a huge Dan Campbell fan but he's tough and it shows in his staff and his players. MLF, just a sad puppy on the sidelines.
@GBFanForLife posted:So you are saying Rodgers would have saved this?
I feel like Rodgers in 2020 and 2021 bought the franchise the time it needed to address some of the glaring problems. Run defense. Special teams. Depth at receiver after Adams. Offensive line talent.
How many of these issues can we honestly say have been addressed satisfactorily?
@GBFanForLife posted:Lafleur shit the bed game planning.
They shit the bed in building and or developing this offensive line. No game plan was going to make up for that fact.
A missed NO FG away from being 1-3. But hey, they beat the Bears.
@GBFanForLife posted:So you are saying Rodgers would have saved this?
Nope…. Only Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson could have polished that turd of a performance from the o line.
@MichiganPacker posted:The stats that sum up the difference between these teams right now.
Packers with 12 carries for 27 yards.
Lions with 43 carries for 211 yards.
I don't think a single Packers offensive lineman would start for the Lions.
A healthy Jenkins probably over Jonah Jackson, but otherwise, yeah.
@H5 posted:I don't think they are as bad as they looked tonight. Sure looked like they lacked intensity/energy from early on.
Lacked almost all our blue chip players and seemingly used our best offensive player as a decoy. Hate using injuries as any kind of excuse, but who is hurt matters. Need to restock blue chip big men. Might be a while.
@MichiganPacker posted:The stats that sum up the difference between these teams right now.
Packers with 12 carries for 27 yards.
Lions with 43 carries for 211 yards.
I don't think a single Packers offensive lineman would start for the Lions.
So trying to run less is the offensive lines fault?
@GBFanForLife posted:Lafleur shit the bed game planning.
This has been a trend with him, he is not a good play caller. Yes, he has called good plays here and there but when he needed to wear his big boy pants he soils them big time. Good example of not using Jones, even during the bears game before he got hurt he refused to call run plays, I don’t think mm was ever that stubborn and that’s saying a lot, oh well done venting!
@titmfatied posted:Lacked almost all our blue chip players and seemingly used our best offensive player as a decoy. Hate using injuries as any kind of excuse, but who is hurt matters. Need to restock blue chip big men. Might be a while.
How many do they really have, though? Gary, Alexander and probably Jones, that's really it.
@BrainDed posted:Nope…. Only Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson could have polished that turd of a performance from the o line.
Lamar Jackson??
@titmfatied posted:Lacked almost all our blue chip players and seemingly used our best offensive player as a decoy. Hate using injuries as any kind of excuse, but who is hurt matters. Need to restock blue chip big men. Might be a while.
I don’t think we can use Bahk out as an injury excuse anymore. This is our offensive line minus Jenkins.
It ain’t good.
@Herschel posted:How many do they really have, though? Gary, Alexander and probably Jones, that's really it.
The left side of our line missing. They're seemingly both shop worn. Went from two all pros to none. Massive hole.
@D J posted:A missed NO FG away from being 1-3. But hey, they beat the Bears.
Bullshit. There was around 1:10 left on the clock to get a FG if they made it.
@BrainDed posted:Exactly.
How many quarter have we seen truly awful plays both play calling and execution?
@GBFanForLife posted:Lamar Jackson??
Yes, they are the two that come to mind that could escape constant inside pass rush. A lot of QBs can escape edge pressure with pocket presence, but when it’s in your face, it’s much harder to escape.
Anytime Newman is starting; you’re doomed.
@titmfatied posted:Lacked almost all our blue chip players and seemingly used our best offensive player as a decoy. Hate using injuries as any kind of excuse, but who is hurt matters. Need to restock blue chip big men. Might be a while.
Not that long. High draft position in 7 months. Maybe top 10. With probably an extra high RD2 pick.
@MichiganPacker posted:The bigger problem is that they just aren't very good in the trenches.
This offensive line talent without Bakh and Jenkins looks terrible. Not just bad, but like worst in Packers history terrible.
How quickly we forget the days of Marshall Newhouse, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod... 
Of course, these Packers may be giving them a run for their money.
@Pikes Peak posted:There is no room for speculation in this forum
What about speculums?
These clowns not acknowledging that half Love’s starting offense has been missing.
Too many of those already.
And, just for the record...
@lambeausouth posted:These clowns not acknowledging that half Love’s starting offense has been missing.
And Sherman talking about missing the HOFer like 12 didn't lose twice to Detroit last year.
knock off the IQ code word stuff about Quay. The game was over and everyone has to make a bid deal about the call which the officials almost didn’t notice. 30 yard rushing? And yous people are throwing the IQ comments around.
@titmfatied posted:Lacked almost all our blue chip players and seemingly used our best offensive player as a decoy. Hate using injuries as any kind of excuse, but who is hurt matters. Need to restock blue chip big men. Might be a while.
The injury issue can't be the excuse after this game. The two biggest weapons were active and barely used tonight. Disciplined football teams can get by without their stars and still compete. See Detroit Lions.
The number of unforced errors has been staggering the past three weeks, but it also traces back to last year. This is year two for Bissacia. By this point, you should expect competent play on special teams, but we only see it in flashes. The kid that got kicked out of two games last year made a major mistake in a crucial moment tonight. It starts from the top down. Dan Campbell's teams run circles around this entire staff, with little more than fundamental football. The idea that MLF couldn't adjust and figure out a way to run cover for his qb and involve the best playmaker on the offense is a huge red flag.
@BrainDed posted:How is that acceptable when playing for 1st place in the division. Who shoulders the blame in your opinion?
Mostly on the coaches, especially with such a young team. I truly believe there is talent on the roster, but the best leaders/coaches put their teams/players in positions to succeed.
GB barely looked ready in the first half. The urgency, and DET's prevent, gave them some juice in the 2nd half, but that was too late and the D had only 1 good series in them after half.
@Blair Kiel posted:We will now start a new contest:
Things as dumb as Quay Walker.
I’ll start. Inflation Reduction Act. 😀
It’s a joke!
Not it's not.
@JimBobDuggar posted:Team is soft and MLF is the epitome of it. Not a huge Dan Campbell fan but he's tough and it shows in his staff and his players. MLF, just a sad puppy on the sidelines.
He's a guy who takes pride in his team, just look at his hat.
EDIT: I always thought something was up with those meticulously groomed eyebrows.
Did having 12 stunt MLFs growth as a play caller, or is he just not clever or knowledgeable enough to fit a game plan to the available players? And the genius running the Defense…everyone knows that is on MLF for not upgrading. May have to move on from Eyebrows at the end of the year, but probably won’t until “Who, me?” leaves.
@bdplant posted:Cobb did it in 2012. Montgomery did it in 2017.
Jeremy Ross also did it.
@artis posted:The injury issue can't be the excuse after this game. The two biggest weapons were active and barely used tonight. Disciplined football teams can get by without their stars and still compete. See Detroit Lions.
We're missing 40% of our preferred starters (and 80% of our difference makers) the RT was we don't know how much compromised, and the RG took damage on the first play.
Maybe it's not an excuse, but it's certainly a factor. It's one that slides the advantage to the team with the much more experienced QB. We've had that advantage almost always over the past few decades and now it's our turn to take some lumps. That's just the NFL. Until 10 sorts out the little details that swing the advantage back in our favor we're going to fall on the sword for a bit. Hopefully it's just this year.
@MichiganPacker posted:The stats that sum up the difference between these teams right now.
Packers with 12 carries for 27 yards.
Lions with 43 carries for 211 yards.
I don't think a single Packers offensive lineman would start for the Lions.
How about the stat that says the Packers had the ball 22 minutes?
Love was under pressure from the first snap. First possession after the Ford Int was killed by a sack that set up 3rd and 19.
