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It will be interesting how many pitchers the Brewers put on the 25 man roster for this series. How Counsell manages the 25 man roster after brilliantly using the larger roster for the last month will be the biggest factor. He may need to get a few more outs from the starters since you can't use a guy for one batter (like he did to start the one game against the Cardinals) if you have 6 or 7 less guys in the bullpen.

The Cubs lost last night partially because they took out one of their best players (Rizzo) to pinch run Gore for him in the 8th. Gore stole second, but even Rizzo would have scored from first on the double that followed. Gore then had to bat twice and the guy is 1 for 21 in his career with 2  walks and 2 HBPs. The only chance he has is to try to get hit by a pitch. The Royals used him in the playoffs well before, but you have to wonder about keeping a guy on a 25 man roster that can only pinch run. With a 40 man roster, you can do that.

MIchigan,  great point on Rizzo.  I said to my buddy when we were watching the game that pulling Rizzo out at that point they will lose that game.   I respect Maddon as a manager but sometimes I think he tinkers too much with things. 

Anyhow, my hope is that one more time before I die I see the Brewers in the world series.  I was really excited in 1982 but I also thought they would be back in it.

The Heckler posted:

MIchigan,  great point on Rizzo.  I said to my buddy when we were watching the game that pulling Rizzo out at that point they will lose that game.   I respect Maddon as a manager but sometimes I think he tinkers too much with things. 

Anyhow, my hope is that one more time before I die I see the Brewers in the world series.  I was really excited in 1982 but I also thought they would be back in it.

I was in middle school in 1982 and remember thinking that they'd be a perennial playoff team. After all, their two best players were 24 (Molitor) and 26 (Yount) years old.

Was in 8th grade for the '82 World Series and I agree it felt like that team would remain strong for many years.  By '84, the Brewers were the worst team in baseball and ::gulp:: I admit that I rooted for the '84 Cubs since they weren't direct competition for the Brewers at that time.

Maybe the most frustrating thing about the mid to late '80s was that the Brewers were regarded to have the #1 Minor League farm system for like 3 or 4 years in a row.  You would have thought that would have translated to the big league team, but it never quite did.  They had a couple of good teams in '87 and '88 but really weren't a true pennant contender.

We'd get excited about the various prospects that were coming up, and most of them seemed to flame out at the major league level.  Even a guy like Gary Sheffield, he really wasn't that good with the Brewers, but the moment he left, bam he became a Hall Of Fame level player.  That kind of stuff really was depressing back then.

It feels like the organization is going in the right direction now though, maybe moreso than any time since the late '70s. 

MichiganPacker posted:

It will be interesting how many pitchers the Brewers put on the 25 man roster for this series. How Counsell manages the 25 man roster after brilliantly using the larger roster for the last month will be the biggest factor. He may need to get a few more outs from the starters since you can't use a guy for one batter (like he did to start the one game against the Cardinals) if you have 6 or 7 less guys in the bullpen.

The Cubs lost last night partially because they took out one of their best players (Rizzo) to pinch run Gore for him in the 8th. Gore stole second, but even Rizzo would have scored from first on the double that followed. Gore then had to bat twice and the guy is 1 for 21 in his career with 2  walks and 2 HBPs. The only chance he has is to try to get hit by a pitch. The Royals used him in the playoffs well before, but you have to wonder about keeping a guy on a 25 man roster that can only pinch run. With a 40 man roster, you can do that.

There is not a chance in hell Rizzo would have scored from first on the Double.  That was basically a single that Baez hustled into a double.  Rizzo wouldn't have even been sent to force a play at the plate.

If Gore isn't in the game, the Cubs probably don't score after Baez' double.  And the odds are, they lose 1-0 in 9 innings.

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