Not you personally; I'm just tsying the league is giving a giant middle finger to the fans.
Pretty much nailed it Fedya.
I’m using that answer for everything this week.
Why? Because **** you, that’s why.
I like it a lot.
- finally able to sit down and watch a full game and this is what I get.
- If Bulaga is having back problems now, the end may be near for him.
+ put new packers onesies on our 11 mon old twins. the older one threw up on his about half way through the QR1. he already knows what's up. smart kid. the other one filled his diaper at halftime. he was always a little behind.
Grave Digger posted:+Capers and I are vindicated.
Ahhhh, so this explains it. One performance that supports your desired outcome is all you need to form an opinion that you will defend until the bitter end.
Henry posted:Grave Digger posted:+Capers and I are vindicated.
You should go root for the team that employs him.
GD would vote for Strom Thurmond if he wasn't dead. I think wrote him in anyway.
Thought that would be a fun comment.
BrainDed posted:Ahhhh, so this explains it. One performance that supports your desired outcome is all you need to form an opinion that you will defend until the bitter end.
DH13 posted:- finally able to sit down and watch a full game and this is what I get.
- If Bulaga is having back problems now, the end may be near for him.
+ put new packers onesies on our 11 mon old twins. the older one threw up on his about half way through the QR1. he already knows what's up. smart kid. the other one filled his diaper at halftime. he was always a little behind.
I felt the same as your twins.....lol!
No one should be surprised, this was going to happen to the D sooner or later. New system, tons of inexperience with the starters. They looked encouraging the first couple games, probably because of a lot of unscouted looks and unscouted players. Now there's tape on them and they'll have to adjust and keep growing. I've always said this D is not going to really be ready until 2019. Needs more time together, needs to fill more holes.
So I wasn't as disgusted by the D as I was the O. Not much of an excuse available for that side of the ball. Ball handling lost that game. I don't remember the last time I saw the O so incapable of simple execution. 2011 playoffs?
DH13 posted:2011 playoffs?
Yeah - after their OC's son DIED & nobody felt like playing. What's the excuse yesterday?
OL is a problem. It is at the core of the offenses problems. It got worse when Spriggs came on. Until that is addressed, we will see more outcomes like Sunday. And unfortunately, that's not a quick fix. It takes 2-3 drafts to correct.
I said it in chat, I'll say it again...we are seeing a squad that is the product of a GM who has been slowly going down the path of dementia. You could plug Buddy Ryan in as DC, and Bill Walsh as OC, and they'd still have problems because of personnel.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:Grave Digger posted:+Capers and I are vindicated.
You should go root for the team that employs him.
GD would vote for Strom Thurmond if he wasn't dead. I think wrote him in anyway.
Thought that would be a fun comment.
Pop in an 8-track and take a victory lap in your Chevy Citation.
Exactly Chongo.
There's no scheme that calls for Kentrell Brice to over run and flounder around when trying to get under a dead duck pass only to completely miss it...and no position coach teaches that in practice or in meetings. When he's your best option at Safety though, there's not much to be done.
Henry posted:Pop in an 8-track and take a victory lap in your Chevy Citation.
I'm not old enough to know what any of that means.
Chongo posted:OL is a problem. It is at the core of the offenses problems. It got worse when Spriggs came on. Until that is addressed, we will see more outcomes like Sunday. And unfortunately, that's not a quick fix. It takes 2-3 drafts to correct.
I said it in chat, I'll say it again...we are seeing a squad that is the product of a GM who has been slowly going down the path of dementia. You could plug Buddy Ryan in as DC, and Bill Walsh as OC, and they'd still have problems because of personnel.
Spriggs has proven he can't play over the previous two years. Why do they think he's the answer? He was literally a turnstile at times the previous two years when he was healthy, yet they think they are going to get a different result this year?
Grave Digger posted:Exactly Chongo.
There's no scheme that calls for Kentrell Brice to over run and flounder around when trying to get under a dead duck pass only to completely miss it...and no position coach teaches that in practice or in meetings. When he's your best option at Safety though, there's not much to be done.
If they had a competent safety, they'd be a minimum 2-1 right now. The tying TD pass against the Vikings - I don't know how Brice could not at least get a hand on that ball.
Why is he still playing? Why is Spriggs on the roster? Why is Kendricks on the roster after he dropped passes all of training camp?
I think the schemes are fine. I agree the personnel is the bigger issue, but keeping this guys on the roster this year is no longer on TT.
We drafted Josh Jones with a #2 pick to be Clinton-Dix's running mate, and he hasn't been able to beat out Brice or stay healthy. I think that's an even more disappointing development than Brice's play itself. Brice should be more like the #4 or #5 safety, not the #2 safety. Maybe Jones will step it up at some point, but at present he looks like another high round washout. There's a reason Brice wasn't drafted at all, he's got some measureables, but playing instincts are suspect.
Brice can't track the ball in the air. It's embarrassing. Does he need glasses?
Packers ran 26 first down plays yesterday. 35% of those plays resulted in zero yards or lost yardage. 35%!. Take away Geronimo's 64yd TD on 1st down and average yards / play on first down is anemic.
Green Bay has been playing behind the chains all year. They have to be better on first down.
MichiganPacker posted:I don't know how Brice could not at least get a hand on that ball.
He took his eye off the ball and went for the defender instead.
Always play the ball!
The young DB's don't look like they're being coached very well. Alexander's PI penalty yesterday that extended the Skins' drive and led to 14-0 was truly awful football. Not worried about his talent, what was telling was the clueless look on his face afterward. It could just be growing pains, but it seems like they aren't being coached very well.
This defense needs a Captain.
ChilliJon posted:Packers ran 26 first down plays yesterday. 35% of those plays resulted in zero yards or lost yardage. 35%!. Take away Geronimo's 64yd TD on 1st down and average yards / play on first down is anemic.
Green Bay has been playing behind the chains all year. They have to be better on first down.
Roger this. Get Aaron Jones more carries.
Edit: Not saying it has to be on first down, but more carries for Jones overall.
Teams know if it is 3rd down, we never run, even if it's 3rd and 2.
Brice taking a terrible angle and missing a tackle on AP's 41 yd run was probably worse than his coverage yesterday. That's a play that is directly in front of you. And he he barely got a hand on AP's ankle. Dix brushing Reeds back after a completion in coverage and allowing Reed to pick up 12 free yards was almost as bad.
You can not win in the NFL with safety play like yesterday. It was a total clown show.
Let's just say their role models have not been stellar. HHCD has plays that are mind-numbingly bad.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:Pop in an 8-track and take a victory lap in your Chevy Citation.
I'm not old enough to know what any of that means.
You live for all things failed and retro.
MichiganPacker posted:Chongo posted:OL is a problem. It is at the core of the offenses problems. It got worse when Spriggs came on. Until that is addressed, we will see more outcomes like Sunday. And unfortunately, that's not a quick fix. It takes 2-3 drafts to correct.
I said it in chat, I'll say it again...we are seeing a squad that is the product of a GM who has been slowly going down the path of dementia. You could plug Buddy Ryan in as DC, and Bill Walsh as OC, and they'd still have problems because of personnel.
Spriggs has proven he can't play over the previous two years. Why do they think he's the answer? He was literally a turnstile at times the previous two years when he was healthy, yet they think they are going to get a different result this year?
I'm sure the same thought process went into the decision that says Justin McCray was our best option at RG.
More you watch from yesterday. Green Bay needs to use both 1st rounders on OL.
OL is a complete mess. Safety is a huge mess. Edge rush isn’t stellar but far better than OL and S.
Green Bay needs 2 guards and a RT. Net result of Spriggs play and Cole Madison no show. Just brutal.
ChilliJon posted:More you watch from yesterday. Green Bay needs to use both 1st rounders on OL.
OL is a complete mess. Safety is a huge mess. Edge rush isn’t stellar but far better than OL and S.
Green Bay needs 2 guards and a RT. Net result of Spriggs play and Cole Madison no show. Just brutal.
Window with #12 is closing in 3 or so years based on his recent physical ailments. Can't wait for new safety talent via draft to develop. Gute: Go out and get Earl Thomas before the Cowboys make their move. Sign Eric Reid while you're at it.
One more thought for next year, after possibly dumping salaries for Dix, CM3, Wilkerson and maybe even Cobb - make a strong offer to Bucs guard Ali Marpet, who will be an UFA. PFF currently rates him as the best guard in the league.
YATittle posted:
"There is a good chance for Wilkerson to be ready for the start of next season and an extremely small chance he could be back in time for a late playoff return."
TT should have been cut loose several years ago. It’s obvious to me Thompson’s best days were behind him otherwise how can you explain the 2015-2017 drafts? The Martellius Bennett signing? Hanging onto MM and Capers for as long as they did?
Much like the Gary Anderson hiccup at Wisconsin it’s going to take the Packers a few years to catch up to restock the talent pipeline that was there. The good news is Gute is off to a decent start but you can’t make up for 3 bad drafts in 1 offseason. And a lame duck HC.
I hate to say it but perhaps the best thing they should do is sit Rodgers until he recovers and if they end up tanking that’s OK because we need the draft picks to be high enough to add more impact players. It’s highly unlikely they bring back Cobb and Dix and CMIII so there’s a few more slots to fill.
Aaron Jones ran out of the pistol or gun virtually all of his entire college career at UTEP. Williams was a traditional I back at BYU.
So.... If your QB can't play from under center then Aaron Jones should get 65% to 70% of the snaps based on familiarity alone. Silly to fight common sense. He's the best option based on formation. He's the best option based on ability.
7 touches yesterday.
Lot's of chatter about shedding Clay. Hasn't he been the best edge guy for GB this year?
RochNyFan posted:DH13 posted:- finally able to sit down and watch a full game and this is what I get.
- If Bulaga is having back problems now, the end may be near for him.
+ put new packers onesies on our 11 mon old twins. the older one threw up on his about half way through the QR1. he already knows what's up. smart kid. the other one filled his diaper at halftime. he was always a little behind.
I felt the same as your twins.....lol!
You soiled yourself during the game? 
ChilliJon posted:Brice taking a terrible angle and missing a tackle on AP's 41 yd run was probably worse than his coverage yesterday...
You can not win in the NFL with safety play like yesterday. It was a total clown show.
It may have been the same run, HHCD comes flying in like a missile, airborne and helmet-first....right into the field nowhere near AP.
NFI idea what he was thinking, but, then again, I've wondered that same question for the last couple of years. No idea where his mind is currently, but it sure ain't football. He just doesn't give a damn, wants to play somewhere else, or is scared of a concussion or other injury.
Too bad for Wilk. I had no idea his injury was that bad yesterday.
We didn't need to lose his depth, but I do like Lowry and Adams (especially!) getting more snaps. He's another player that needs to crap or get off the pot.
The Packers gain 13MM in cap space in 2019 if they don’t bring back Matthews and Cobb and Dix. They would net another 12MM by cutting Bulaga and Tramon and if they really got aggressive they could release Daniels and pick up almost another 9MM. In total that’s almost 35MM or enough to go out and sign 2 impact free agents.
It just so happens that OL and safety feature some real studs in free agency (at least for now) and one of those guys is Earl Thomas. He’s clearly disgruntled in Seattle, and not sure he’d want to play in GB, but it’s very reminiscent of C Woods situation albeit 21 got to free agency whereas I think if GB wanted him they would need to trade and sign him before hitting the open market.
In any event, the Packers would have cap space and the draft picks to do it.
ChilliJon posted:Lot's of chatter about shedding Clay. Hasn't he been the best edge guy for GB this year?
He made what should have been a gave saving play against Minnesota when his pressure forced what should have been the decisive turnover. He made a great play yesterday for the sack that should have given the ball back to Green Bay with a few more minutes left. Both roughing calls were awful. He's been fine.
The Packers are losing because (outside of Cobb yesterday) players we could tell weren't very good based on their previous play (either during training camp or previous years) are playing at their talent level. Jason Spriggs, Lance Kendricks, McCray, Fackrell, and Brice. Randall Cobb looked like an All-Pro WR two weeks ago, he had a terrible game yesterday, but we know he can still perform. Those guys I listed have never performed in a Packer uniform.
Tschmack posted:The Packers gain 13MM in cap space in 2019 if they don’t bring back Matthews and Cobb and Dix. They would net another 12MM by cutting Bulaga and Tramon and if they really got aggressive they could release Daniels and pick up almost another 9MM. In total that’s almost 35MM or enough to go out and sign 2 impact free agents.
So who exactly would be left? I don't think the Packers have 35 draft picks next year and they need Oline, LB, S, and Dline if you let Daniels go.
I think it's a foregone conclusion that Buluga and Tramon are gone but Cobb, Matthews and Dix are questionable simply due to depth. I have no clue why you would get rid of Daniels.