Your welcome Satori. Its quite interesting that the teams are so close record wise after playing all those games since the 1920's. The 1960's we had a 15-5 advantage over them, but it wasn't till that 1994 Halloween game that we started to finally make our push to overtake them. Starting with that game we went on a 10 game winning streak against them, the longest winning steak by one team in the rivalry. The Packers-Bears head to head record is something I been keeping an eye on for about 10 years or so.
Originally Posted by San Doggy:
So you can imagine just how epic its going to be if/when we surpass them for the first time in over 80 years.
I've been waiting for it for years. If not for Favre's struggles against Lovie Smith, they already would have the lead in the series.
Didn't see this posted. Damn this is impressive..
Aaron Rodgers sets mark for fewest interceptions at time of 200th TD pass
October, 7, 2014PM ETBy Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- You know Aaron Rodgers doesn't throw interceptions, at least not at the rate of most other quarterbacks.
His 12-to-1 touchdown-to-interception count this season is evidence of that.
But here's an better example of how averse the Green Bay Packers quarterback is to throwing the ball to the other team: When he threw his 200th career touchdown pass in last Thursday's win over the Minnesota Vikings, Rodgers had only 53 interceptions -- which was the fewest by any quarterback in NFL history at the time he reached 200 career touchdown passes.
And it's not even close.
The next fewest interceptions by a quarterback at the time of his 200th touchdown pass is 88 by New England's Tom Brady.
"It's something we preach," said Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements, who was Rodgers' quarterbacks coach from 2006-11. "We like to take … we have to take care of the ball. You don't want to give the opponent anything free."
There are 10 active quarterbacks with at least 200 career touchdown passes and only Rodgers, Brady, San Diego's Philip Rivers and Dallas' Tony Romo had fewer than 100 interceptions at the time they reached that touchdown milestone (see accompanying chart).
As for Rodgers’ predecessor, Brett Favre, when he threw his 200th touchdown pass in the middle of the 1998 season, he had 111 career interceptions.
Looking Back
How many INTs the active QBs had when they threw their 200th TD pass:
QB INTs at 200th TD Matt Hasselbeck 146 Carson Palmer 145 Eli Manning 140 Peyton Manning 117 Ben Roethlisberger 116 Drew Brees 107 Tony Romo 98 Philip Rivers 96 Tom Brady 88 Aaron Rodgers 53
Romo. Huh.
Matt Hasselbeck is still active?
Yes He's backing up Luck
With Romo it's all about the timing of those interceptions. 
He'd rather take a sack then throw a possible INT.
His aversion to taking risks is often cited by the haters as being at least partially responsible for their dubious claims about his record of comebacks. Only need to look at his comments after the throw to Adams to realize just how seriously he takes not turning it over.
Here's the thing,
Rodgers stats are so "off the effing chart" good that he could throw 15 consecutive interceptions to start a game and he'd still have far and away the lowest TD/INT ratio in the history of NFL Football.
He already has better stats than Troy Aikman. Did you know that Troy "****ing" Aikman is in the Hall of Fame? By the end of next year Aaron Rodgers will have better career stats than jim Kelly Kelly and Steve Young?!?!?!? After only 8 years of starting!!!
Historically speaking, others will likely finish with more yards and more TD's (I don't think AR want's any part of this game after 5-6 more years) but no one has played the position remotely close to how well Aaron Rodgers is.
So I'm never going to question anything the guy does on a football field again.
Except slapping refs on the butt. That's just wrong.
Rodgers is obviously an incredible player, but it's worth noting just how much the rules have been re-worked over the past decade alone to favor offenses. It was a lot easier for DBs to mug a WR and get an INT back when guys like Favre and Aikman came into the league.
This also shows how much the game has been tilted to a passing game even in just the past 20 years.quote:He already has better stats than Troy Aikman. Did you know that Troy "****ing" Aikman is in the Hall of Fame? By the end of next year Aaron Rodgers will have better career stats than jim Kelly Kelly and Steve Young?!?!?!? After only 8 years of starting!!!
The two biggest changes to passing rules took place in 1978.
1. Offensive lineman were allowed to extend their hands to block.
2. WR's weren't allowed to be roughed up beyond 5 yards (many people think this was a recent change)
Truth be told, the offensive line rule had as much to do with passing numbers exploding as the 5 yard rule.
There really weren't any major shifts until the Peyton Manning / Polian 2003 crybaby rule which was born out of the Patriots "aggressively" pushing the legal boundaries of the 5 yard rule. In the end this really wasn't a rule change at all. It was chalked up as a "point of emphasis". Sound familiar?
My point is the 5,000 yard season and screwey TD numbers have been there for the taking since the early 1980's (Dan Marino). It's a mistake to dismiss AR's efficiency numbers as a reflection of the years he's played. His numbers are great because he's great.
Rodgers is obviously great, but I sometimes think he's a little too worried about his stats. I remember a game a few years ago when he didn't throw a Hail Mary at the end of the half. He had an explanation, but I thought at the time and still think today that he just didn't want to risk an INT.
I think AR goes home at the end of the day and rolls around on top of a big pile of money on his bed, laughing at all of his critics.
In the exact same timeframe, (2008 until now) nobody else is even close to his TD:INT ratio.
He's great in any era, especially with the way he can extend plays & move the pocket.
Originally Posted by heyward:
Rodgers is obviously great, but I sometimes think he's a little too worried about his stats. I remember a game a few years ago when he didn't throw a Hail Mary at the end of the half. He had an explanation, but I thought at the time and still think today that he just didn't want to risk an INT.
I don't recall the example you mentioned, but in general, I doubt it is the "stat" of an INT that he is worried about. Rather, the consequences of an INT compared to that of a sack.
I'm guilty of nit picking him and saying in x situation the risk /reward of pick outweighed the consequences of a sack. Thinking about all that while actually playing the game is a different story. He is aware of his capabilities and extremely disciplined. Using that, he refuses to throw INT's
I can't help but wonder if those years of being on the sidelines and watching teammates' and coaches' reactions to the previous QB's INT's influenced Rodgers.
He had to be thinking, "why did he throw that," and "when I get my chance, I won't do that."
Rodgers said he learned a lot from Favre.
I'm assuming he meant the good & the bad even though Rodgers didn't specifically say so.
Rodgers OCD with INT's took place long before he was watching QB's in the NFL. This goes back to grade school (per his interview yesterday). He has loathed throwing them since then and has made it a personal mission to be the player to throw the fewest each year.
As countless defensive coordinators have pointed out, he see windows and openings 99 percent of QB's would never throw in. When he's on his game, regardless of perfect coverage, he's nearly impossible to stop.
Originally Posted by heyward:
Honestly I think he was kept around as a quarterback for so long is because he was such a good guy so therefore I wish he wouldn't have been such a good guy because he sucked as bad as Blair Kiel when he was a quarterback...possibly even worse
Hateful beyond words.
I honestly think Rodger's aversion to interceptions relates to his general chip on the shoulder sensitivity. He's okay with all the praise but what he's most sensitive to is criticism. I don't think he can tolerate it. He will hide it, because the last thing he wants is to let people know it bothers him. That looks like weakness. But what he really, really hates are mistakes and negative judgements about him. It might make him prickly at times but it also drives him on to perfection. Now Cutler on the other hand? He doesn't give a crap about what people think of him and he doesn't care about perfection. That is the difference between good and great.
Originally Posted by Blair Kiel:
Hateful beyond words.
Or just hateful - becuase hateful is a word.
But is "becuase" a word?
something I did not understand. Bart has the record of 280 + passes without an int. Aaron tied Barts record yesterday with six games without an interception. Those two don't add up. I know that Bart did not throw 280 passes in six games. Was the 280 over two seasons? Were the 280 in non consecutive games? Some one clear this up for me.
I was puzzling over that too. I'm assuming his record spanned two different seasons but the consecutive game stat is only within a single season.
I'm thinking he threw a pick early in one game then went six games without a pick then threw one late in the next game?
Still, 280 passes in 8 games is a lot for those days. Doesn't add up.
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
I honestly think Rodger's aversion to interceptions relates to his general chip on the shoulder sensitivity. He's okay with all the praise but what he's most sensitive to is criticism. I don't think he can tolerate it. He will hide it, because the last thing he wants is to let people know it bothers him. That looks like weakness. But what he really, really hates are mistakes and negative judgements about him.
Good call and some of that comes from sitting in the film room for 3 years watching Favre throw picks and hearing the coaches' comments.
He had a front row seat in the QB room and was paying rapt attention - taking notes on how to do it and how not to do it.
You think he didn't see film from the 2007 NYG NFCCG a couple of times ? I bet MM pulled him aside on more than one occasion for some teachable moments.
Interesting way to begin a career and he was certainly molded by those experiences
Pretty common for someone replacing another person in a high profile job to want to excel in an area that their predecessor received criticism for. Also AR knows that turnover differential is the one variable that correlates most strongly with game outcome.....Favre never got past all the praise he got for being a "risk-taker" & even when confronted with his boneheaded TO's would respond "that's how I play the game"
In 1964 Starr threw 4 total INTs, but went the last 11 games of the regular season without an INT. The record Rodgers tied is for consecutive games without an INT, where the QB had AT LEAST 15 attempts. With the Lombardi running attack Starr had games in '64 with 13 pass attempts and 5 pass attempts, which interrupted the consecutive game streak of at least 15 attempts.
Starr went 294 attempts from '64-'65 without an INT. That spanned 14 games overall (11 in '64 and 3 in '65).
thanks for the clarification Hungry. Still impressive of Bart but Rodgers is even more impressive with the way the league is pass happy today.
Devil's advocate: Starr did it when DBs were allowed to maul receivers, while in Rodgers' era a DB who gets close enough to sneeze on a receiver is flagged. Gotta think rules of then v. now and the running game of Lombardi kept the number of Starr passes down.
Both are terrifically impressive!
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Rodgers sucks. Dude can't launch a 4th quarter comeback to save his life. Again last week, the mofo failed to launch a 4th quarter comeback. Ehy can't he be more like Matty Ice?