Analytics

The coaches (well, the ones not named Dom Capers) know, and that's what counts.

Hateful.

I wish Dom Capers a long and healthy retirement.  How is that hateful?

(As long as that retirement starts yesterday.)

Analytics are awesome, I just think you aren't reading them right

Glorified BS.

Still gotta play the game. The game is played by humans not machines. That alone introduces millions of variables. Variables completely unmeasurable by structured analytics. 

NFL was really the first sport to use analytics. I believe starting with Paul Brown, teams have broken down opponents "tendencies" with down, distance, and hash spot (although not nearly as important once they moved the hash marks in). I don't really know how much they use them for individual players. Does not seem like it would lend itself as easily as basketball or baseball for individuals. 

Analytics predict that there is a .47% greater chance that the next poster on this thread will be a poster who is considered to be "above average" than that the next poster will be considered "below average".

FlPacker  I agree about analytics' in that constraint (down and distance- formation, pkg etc) those things are critical to the game and forged my early love of this most brutal chess game.  Many years ago I received a post 78 (rules change) education from one of my soldiers who had been a cornerback in college and who was a pretty bright guy.  He routinely pointed out by field position what routes had low\high success rates  and how formations created the same effect.  So I agree that this type of analysis is what I enjoy about the game and what I believe is a measurable, and I would even say that recognizing the skills of players to play zone or man is a relatively finite measurable, just like using chaos theory to explain how a group of water drops fall on a particular spot in the lawn, but I sincerely doubt this type of analysis is possible or credible when applied to  subsets of the game and that is my whine about analytics!

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Glorified BS.

Still gotta play the game. The game is played by humans not machines. That alone introduces millions of variables. Variables completely unmeasurable by structured analytics. 

Boris:  My sentiments exactly!!!!

justanotherpackerfan posted:

Analytics predict that there is a .47% greater chance that the next poster on this thread will be a poster who is considered to be "above average" than that the next poster will be considered "below average".

The next 2 posts were by the same person. So if we average "above average" & "below average" we get "average average"

PERFECT!

See, analytics worked.  Actually my youngest has just started a Grad Program in Data Analytics at the University of San Fransisco.  Whether it works for football or not...analytics is out there.

FLPACKER posted:

 Does not seem like it would lend itself as easily as basketball or baseball for individuals. 

Every NBA team has an analytics guy. It is even now becoming a position at the college level:

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Glorified BS.

Still gotta play the game. The game is played by humans not machines. That alone introduces millions of variables. Variables completely unmeasurable by structured analytics. 

Easy to see why "the champ"(less) left this site. Practical posts like this reduce the dork factor. 

Thank you !!  

FLPACKER posted:

Every NBA team has an analytics guy. It is even now becoming a position at the college level:

Men's Basketball Analyst

4.2Purdue University – West Lafayette, IN1,214 Reviews

Est. Salary $38k-$56k

 

Deep Chicago makes more than that.... Sheesh!

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Glorified BS.

Still gotta play the game. The game is played by humans not machines. That alone introduces millions of variables. Variables completely unmeasurable by structured analytics. 

Agreed.  Good post.  

Pack88 - I have some of the same thoughts.  When I read these articles, I think about those things I think they are missing to begin to be credible.  

FLPACKER - The way the Purdue job is priced it would in effect be an entry level position in that field.  

Pack88 posted:

Just in time for training camp about a hundred articles  have appeared analyzing every aspect of the  current Greenbay Packer Roster and every manner of review and  self created stat imaginable has been published and promulgated and I just wonder outside of the standard things I see on Football outsiders how much  this analysis is worth.  Now I enjoy reading most of these articles but outside of Aaron Schatz' DVOA material I think most of it is speculative horse poo!  Or better yet what does it mean when I read that Joe CB finished in 64th place guarding the seam route on 9 completions in 13 attempts!  I mean how does this fit into the Joe's season and what role does Joe play!  The issue really arises for me with offensive linemen and pressures.  How do they determine that or escapeability from the pocket or yards after contact.  How do they know.  Same for missed assignments, I could go on and on! Am I just old or does anyone else think a great of this stuff is glorified BS

I like some stats if they are truly used with context.  Football Outsiders is probably the only site with stat geeks I enjoy.  That PFF horse**** is just a bunch of random numbers reflecting nothing.  

You still can't quantify team work, professionalism and all those other squirrelly human elements as much as corporate America tries.

Ghost of Lambeau posted:

FLPACKER - The way the Purdue job is priced it would in effect be an entry level position in that field.  

I understand that, but this is the first time I have seen this position advertised at the college level, which is an indication of analytics being used more.