Packers had 3 sacks in crunch time against Rivers. So Chicago isn't that much better. They just believe in miracles.
Ok...I think we have established that we want Dom gone........so, who would be your replacement for Dom?
Gus Bradley, Chuck Pagano, Ray Horton, Mike Smith, and Joe Philbin should all be available at the end of the season.
Originally Posted by Dave in MN:
Ok...I think we have established that we want Dom gone........so, who would be your replacement for Dom?
No one in the organization. Outside hire with a new mind set and a fresh objective look. Unfortunately that ain't MM. Just like TT is obsessed with home grown talent, so is MM with promotions. So sadly someone like the great Wiston Moss could actually get promoted.
Not necessarily a list of who I want but who might be available:
Was Chuck Pagano a good DC or did the players in Baltimore make him look better? Certainly his defenses in Indy have been less than stellar.
Ray Horton may be part of the Tennessee clean out.
Captain Caveman may get the boot from San Fran (who knows). He's a bad HC, but he was a heck of a DL coach and might be a good DC.
Rob Ryan may available if Sean Peyton moves on from Nola.
Cleveland is a constantly fluid situation so there's always a possibility Mike Pettine will be fired. Who knows what is going on there!
The guy who ran Miami's D will be available (Coyle maybe?). Miami's D always seemed really up and down, sometimes good and sometimes terrible.
Was Chuck Pagano a good DC or did the players in Baltimore make him look better? Certainly his defenses in Indy have been less than stellar.
Ray Horton may be part of the Tennessee clean out.
Captain Caveman may get the boot from San Fran (who knows). He's a bad HC, but he was a heck of a DL coach and might be a good DC.
Rob Ryan may available if Sean Peyton moves on from Nola.
Cleveland is a constantly fluid situation so there's always a possibility Mike Pettine will be fired. Who knows what is going on there!
The guy who ran Miami's D will be available (Coyle maybe?). Miami's D always seemed really up and down, sometimes good and sometimes terrible.
Horton intrigues me. He's a 3-4 guy and he's not a recycled head coach like Pagano or Pettine. The only issue I see with Horton is that he hasn't stayed in one place very long to see how he develops a defense when he's the DC. He's moved around a bit and that makes me wonder how well he plays with others in the coaching room. (In AZ he left because he was miffed he didn't get the HC job, although he interviewed.)
I'm not sure there's ever been a more overrated blow hard D(bag) coordinator in the history of professional football that's received more pub, press run, and face time while accomplishing absolutely nothing than Rob Ryan.
Every defense that guy touches turns to ****. If you think Dom is struggling. Tune into a Saints game. Brees has to throw 7 TD's to scratch out last second wins.
As far as who I like? I'd love to find a coordinator with a name that rhymes with wizard. That would be fun.
I don't pay enough attention to other teams, but is it the "norm" to be like Capers & make an immediate positive impact when you first take over a defense & then decline in following years? This has been his pattern as a DC.
Seems like Horton's big failing is taking DC jobs at the wrong time. He took the DC job in Arizona two years before Whiz got fired. He took the Cleveland job in that weird year that Rob Chud was the HC. And he again took over at the end of Whiz's tenure in TN. If he got in a more stable situation he may stay longer.
Good point about his seeming to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it looks like that again in TN. I haven't seen Tennessee this year to know how Horton's D is doing, but he has been well thought of in his other stops as DC.
You very rarely see coordinators stay with a team for a long time. Usually they either do well and become head coaches or do poorly and get fired. Dom's the exception. He does poorly and stays.
Originally Posted by heyward:
You very rarely see coordinators stay with a team for a long time. Usually they either do well and become head coaches or do poorly and get fired. Dom's the exception. He does poorly and stays.
You rarely see a Special Teams coordinator last 6 years when his unit finishes 31st, 29th, 31st, 12th, 20th, and 32nd in consecutive years, but that is what you saw in Shawn Slocum in Green Bay until a national audience got to witness just how awful his unit performed in last season's NFC Championship game.
No one can accuse MM of pulling the trigger to early.
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
I'm not sure there's ever been a more overrated blow hard D(bag) coordinator in the history of professional football that's received more pub, press run, and face time while accomplishing absolutely nothing than Rob Ryan.
Every defense that guy touches turns to ****. If you think Dom is struggling. Tune into a Saints game. Brees has to throw 7 TD's to scratch out last second wins.
As far as who I like? I'd love to find a coordinator with a name that rhymes with wizard. That would be fun.
Jerry Jizard. Best I could do...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Q_1GXueTo
This might be crazy, but what about Jim Schwartz? Seems like a real douchebag, but he had some pretty good defensive teams in Detroit. He was in Tennessee for a long time, and I think he was the Defensive Coordinator in Buffalo last year - that was a pretty good defensive team as well.
I suggested that last offseason so I'm on board.
GB has enough talent, Dom is holding them back.
Originally Posted by Fandame:
Horton intrigues me. He's a 3-4 guy and he's not a recycled head coach like Pagano or Pettine. The only issue I see with Horton is that he hasn't stayed in one place very long to see how he develops a defense when he's the DC. He's moved around a bit and that makes me wonder how well he plays with others in the coaching room. (In AZ he left because he was miffed he didn't get the HC job, although he interviewed.)
Pettine is still a young guy and had good defenses in Buffalo. If he's fired by Cleveland I think he would be a really good option. I'm guessing he won't be fired though.
Originally Posted by Vincent Vega:
This might be crazy,
That is an understatement.
What's crazy is that Elliot had zero snaps against Carolina. How do you justify that?
Didn't you see Peppers, Neal and Perry swarming all over Cam Newton?
Big middle finger to Billy B.
We're going to find out exactly where our 6-0 team is on Sunday
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
What's crazy is that Elliot had zero snaps against Carolina. How do you justify that?
Datone and Pennel have also deserved much more playing time. And the move to get Randall and Ryan a bigger role took way too long as well.
I'd love it if X4 did a Reddit style AMA with Packers and coaches. The Dom Capers AMA would be amazing.
For those who may in the past accused Dom of having blinders on (an idiom for ignoring behavior instead of doing something about it), turns our you were right all along, as Dom shared this nugget earlier today while speaking with the press:
"We believe in what we're doing...You're going to hit some bumps in the road. You have to put the blinders on & go back to work."
First choice in the 2016 dead pool (football edition)
You telling me that a team has a few defensive meltdowns over the course of a few years and the coordinator seems clueless and the result is he gets fired?
Good look at the Packers' run D from PFF.
Through the Packers’ rough middle of the season, one thing that has consistently kept Green Bay in games is the great play of their run defense.
15.9 percent of the time, when the Packers have faced a designed run, they’ve made a tackle for a loss—the third-best rate in the league. On Thursday against the Lions, that rate was 32 percent. In recent weeks, they’ve held Matt Forte to 2.9 yards per carry, and Adrian Peterson to 3.5 yards per carry, with neither player topping 50 yards. Over their last five games, no player has topped 70 rushing yards against them.
The biggest key to the Packers’ success against the run this season has been 3-4 defensive end Mike Daniels. He has 21 run stops on the year, which is fifth-best for his position. He has a 91.5 run defense grade, which is fourth-best for all interior defenders, placing him right in between Aaron Donald and J.J. Watt on the leaderboard. Against the Lions, within the last two minutes of the game he had two tackles for losses, which helped get the ball back to the Packers’ offense to finish off the game. He had three tackles for losses total in the game, although there were also a few plays where the Lions were able to successfully block him, which hurt his grade.
The other big reason the Packers were able to stop the Lions’ run is the play of their safeties.. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix had two tackles for short gains, and another play where he forced a cut. Morgan Burnett had a tackle for a loss, one for no gain, and another for a short gain. While he had a few poor plays early in the game, he also had a forced cut and a good block avoided to make up for it.
It wasn’t just Thursday night that the Packers’ safeties have performed well—it’s been all season. Clinton-Dix has 17 run stops on the year, which is fifth-most for all safeties. The four players above him have an average of six missed tackles each (in the run game alone), where Clinton-Dix only has one missed tackle against the run. His run defense grade is the best among all safeties this year. Burnett has a run-stop percentage of 8.0 percent, which is third-best for safeties, and he also only has one missed tackle on the year against the run. On a per game basis, Burnett has the third-highest run defense grade for safeties on the year...
https://www.profootballfocus.c...-green-bay-in-games/
IMO the defense in general is playing pretty damn good. Now time to get the pass rush cranked up.
I don't know about pretty damn good, but they are exceeding my expectations.
MM made his bold letter statement about improving D and ST. Get the passing O fixed and we're golden. Or better than Golden.
Imagine the 2011/2014 offense with this 2015 defense...
packerboi posted:Imagine the 2011/2014 offense with this 2015 defense...
or the 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013...
The run defense, and especially Mike Daniels has indeed been impressive. Not used to seeing the Packer defense play on the other side of the LOS (I swear AJ Hawk must have thought it was illegal). Now if they could do a better job with pass rush, covering the middle of the field, and quick release throws .
The run defense was great last night
against the worst running team in football.
How can it be possible that Daniels is good. I read the game thread. Herschel said he got blown out of the hole in almost every post.
The DB's should mature into a pretty special group. HHCD, Randall, Rollins. All players with huge upsides. That could be quite the DB's that honestly could rival what Seattle has/had.
El-Ka-Penisbreath posted:The run defense was great last night
against the worst running team in football.
And 2 weeks ago against the best running team in the NFL
Dom has always had success against the NFC North. Let's see how the defense does against Carson Palmer and the Cardinals in a few weeks.