Bad and Ugly...Where's the Good?

Just 11 rushes by our backs in the first half. One of those by Cobb netted 10 yds. Only 8 more run calls in the 2nd half. That is some lame play calling in my opinion, especially against a team notorious for big pass rush, and defending throws into their secondary.

How do you NOT call a run heavy attack? Those guys need to check their ****.

GraveDigger, I just feel Aaron is too unwilling to go to some of the younger players. Not sure what Janis' and Abby's snap counts were, but they sure did not show up on the stat sheet, with Montgomery out. That doesn't seem right.

I know Rodgers takes good care of the ball, but is it to a fault? Is he going overboard? I think he might be. Rodgers should be open to working more with the players we have available to play the game, or check to run plays. He is doing neither, and we saw the results over the last couple of weeks.

Build a relationship with your players. Get them involved. Of course, it was a tough D. We have plays to counter that, and we didn't employ them.

This is two games in a row where we stopped running the ball against top level, veteran QBs. That fact still blows my mind. Bunch of dopes. This has been happening for years.

Good points IMO.

Had this been 10 years ago, with Favre, he would have aired it out and threw rocket balls down the field. And just maybe on a whim of luck he nails a pass to Cobb or JJ and we score 7 more. Or maybe even grab an additional FG with that so we score 20.

And then with those high risk throws comes 3 INT's including a pick 6and we lose 42-20 instead.

Feel better? Nope I don't either and that kind of loss would have likely driven me more nuts.

The issue as I see it are mainly 2 things:

1.) Clements is calling plays with LONG developing routes that take our WRs forever to try and get open and thus AR is just standing waiting for routes to come open. We simply don't have WR's with those kind of wheels to get the separation so he can just fire it down the field. He had that with Nelson. Which then caused Cobb to NOT be doubled and then routes he and Davante ran we're much more available. I don't know whether its bubble screens, slant passes or whatever but they've got to get much quicker routes that don't take forever and a damn day to open to get this Offense moving.

2.) I get that MM doesn't want to beat Lacy like a mule in a game with a ton of carries. But he's precisely the kind of RB who needs constant back-to-back-back carries to get him going. This crap of giving him a carry. Then he sits. Then a series later he gets another 1 or 2. Then stands on the sidelines for another series just isn't working. When you look at his rookie and sophmore seasons, they got him going with multiple runs IN A ROW. IMO, we need to get back to that.

I guess my point was more about taking a chance on throwing to Janis and Abbrederis with Montgomery out. What about Kennard Backman? Another good receiving TE who is getting nothing from Rodgers/McCarthy.

They only ran something like 46 plays all game. The balance of the play calling (run -v- pass) was not the issue, execution was. Whether that was due to the scheme/game plan or just getting beat physically I'll leave that to the coaches. Here are a couple of thoughts about that though.

McCarthy: "Frankly, Gary Kubiak had his team playing a lot faster than I had my team playing tonight. That was evident early and often."

 

Kubiak: "We just played fresh. It was the best we looked in a while." "We played well as a team. We played hard. We played physical."

IIRC the DEN DBs commented on how they practiced this week covering for 7-8 seconds knowing that eventually Rodgers makes plays.

I just don't get the fascination with Janis and Abbrederis.  If they were better than Jone, Cobb, Adams or Montgomery, they would be playing.  They aren't--so they are not.  Let's concentrate more about why #s 1-4 can't get open, and what routes should be changed, instead of hoping the team will be bailed out by two guys at the bottom of the depth chart.

Kind of hard for Montgomery to get open when he isn't active. Perillo is a football player.

"Rodgers had a bad game last night and Peyton ain't dead yet."

QB rankings after 7 games:

 - QB rating

Rodgers, 2nd @ 110.9

Manning, 29th @ 75.1

 - Yards/att

Rodgers, 9th @ 7.7

Manning, 23rd @ 7

- INTs

Rodgers, 2nd fewest @ 2

Manning, tied for most @ 11

The contrarian would say that Rodgers built his stats on substandard defenses, which may be the case... but consider the defenses Manning built his stats on before the game last night.

It was 1 game, versus an AFC opponent. McCarthy has always said they want to win them all, but he also says their goal is to go undefeated at home and split on the road.

Wade's still bitter that he was after the Packers beat him 45-7 in 2010, he was fired mid-season as head coach of the Cowboys.  Or, maybe, he's still getting over Rodgers hanging 42 points on his Texans in 2012, the Texans only loss (and he had the # 6 defense at the time).

Broncos kind of remind me of that Texans team---good defense, a fading QB, a good record--and destined to be bounced out of the playoffs in the first game.

I think this post is spot-on.

I'll also add that one thing that's compounding the personnel issue is coaches that are set in their ways. Dom Capers is 65, Tom Clements is 62. Both of their philosophies seem predicated on winning one-on-one battles, which is great if you have more talent than the other team. But not so great if you don't. Even with the lack of playmakers at WR, the Packers have enough talent with at QB and elsewhere to put up more than 75 yards in the air. They need to get much more creative with their schemes.

Good:  

I got to go to sleep early

AFC Loss

Crosby

The game reinforced my feeling that I get more enjoyment watching a Hockey game and that the NFL is becoming predictable and over-rated.   

Bad and/or Comments:

WRs cannot get open 

Commit to the running game early and often

Did they ever try no-huddle?

Denver did a good job of pressuring Rodgers.   He could not step up and move side-to-side.   QB draw, shovel pass (forgive me for suggesting it) may have burnt them.

Denver D did a great job!

Ugh.  Everyone saw it work.  Here comes the "blueprint" talk I bet.

1 way to shorten coverage times would be for AR to tuck it and run more, as in, 2-3 times in a row.  

They can't do this. Exposing Rodgers to more hits in the open field is not the answer. With Rodgers this is still an 11-5 or so team that could get lucky in the playoffs and make a run. Without Rodgers, this is a like a 5-6 win team. That's another reason to sit Richard Rodgers rear end on the bench. He's going to get Aaron Rodgers killed if he continues to block like he has been.  

No way!  I'm too spoiled to relax.  I want my way -that's means: I want...no... demand more wins now and forever.  I did not deserve the displeasure of watching my team get spanked last night.  I am a Packer fan.  WTF?!  I am still pouting here. Doesn't anyone care? This is not right.  I am not happy.   

BTW, I like your avatar/ icon.  

The Good? It only counts as 1 in the L column.

Problem is probably no other team the Packers will face has the DL and CB combo that DEN has. Talib and Harris are very good and that front gave the middle of the Packers OL fits. 

WE laid an egg last year in Buffalo, laid another in Kansas City a few years back.  This kind of effort happens to the this team every so often.

I felt this game was more on the offense, lots to figure out here.  AS Chili said its going to take more than just a week.....need to seem improvement though.

As for the defense the young secondary gained valuable reps and through some solid film study and more reps I think the coverage improves as the season goes on.  Yeah he's old and got a noodle now but Peyton has seen it all no wonder he was able to pick them apart.

With all the stuff going on last night with the Broncos honoring Bowlin and the SB teams they had all the energy/mojo going into last night.  They just had a look that they were not going to lose.  I expect the same thing on Thanksgiving from the Pack against the Bears. 

I wasn't really all that serious with my last post... 

Seriously -

+ Special teams

- Packers have been exposed.  Our pass D sucks -two weeks in a row now - a trend that needs to be stopped.  Aaron has to trust the receivers.  I am starting to think Rodgers is as spoiled as I am.

Gut feeling (love to be wrong here) is that we will have at least 4 more loses some to teams I really hate.  Winning the North will not be that easy.    

One thing I have learned this past month is that for our O,  missing Jordy was/is a huge lose.  Initially I thought it was somewhat a big deal, but now I believe this team cannot win the SB without the legit deep threat.  I thought perhaps Cobb could be that deep threat, but kind of looks like I was wrong there. Packers will be in the playoffs, but I do not think they'll make it to the big show.   Still, anything can happen and I reserve the rights to change my viewpoint.  GO PACK!!!!

Finally.  I thought I was going to read the whole thread w/o someone pointing out that the idot doesn't know it already has cheese on it.

Yup, my Vikings buddy gleefully sent a text saying just that. So, I asked him "0-9 then"? That knocked him back.

that game ****ing sucked.

Montana used to do it.  You do it back-to-back, they don't stay on their coverage as long.  I highly doubt it was part of the game plan.

I'd much rather have him running towards daylight where he can slide than standing there waiting to get Theismanned to death.

Al Michaels mentioned during the broadcast, Wade said "He remembers the Packers got him fired." 

Congrats, Wade, you won the battle....Last I checked the war ain't over

Here's something that has me concerned regarding our secondary: other than Sam Shields, we really do not have a pure corner or really a pure safety in terms of speed and size.  Our corners are too slow (not counting Shields) and our safety's are too small. We have too many hybrids.  I can see the value of having the hybrids, but I think there's drawbacks on that as well. In addition, I would love to see at least one 6"1 or taller DB who has good speed in our back field.  JMHO as I am just a spoiled fan, nothing more. 

Rodgers is still healthy.

Toughest game behind us.

Party on

Lacy, er....Chubby, needs a position change, Henry Melton comes to mind

Well, I did say we had one.  I think most would agree with yah. Me, I am not too sure. 

Randall is going to be a better corner than Sam. He doesn't have the luxury of time. Whitt will coach him up though. That kids going to be a very good corner. 

Whatever happened to GB using plays to slow down a pass rush? We USED to be one of the best at screen passes. Didn't see a single one for a long time. Now we see it once a game and it's usually executed quite poorly. What happened to quick slant passes? What happened to Rodgers rolling out of the pocket? At one time, he had the highest QB rating out of the pocket. Haven't seen that in a few weeks.

Bring back the power sweep too.  

When was the last really big game we won?  

--Playoff game aginst the Cowboys

Like, Quarless. What the hell is he going to do for us? 

--block

Members of this board could have easily called a better game on O.

---do tell (of course, other than the plays you called would have worked)

I guess you have breaking news nobody else knows about.  Where can I find the link to Quarless' suspension?  How many games was it for?

For all you know, it could come next year.