@Henry posted:He doesn't have a frickin' choice.
Agreed. For all the questionable schemes that Pettine runs, his choices at ILB in terms of personnel are very similar to the choices the Bears have at QB. None of his choices are going to be good, he just has to minimize the damage as much as possible.
Who led in snap counts last night? Seems like I saw him out there all the time. Heck Summers is better in coverage. I won't bring up Burks.
So one game means he's "devoted" to him?
Kirksey played 100% of the defensive snaps.
Mitchell Trubisky attempted 35 passes against NO pressure on Sunday night, per @PFF, and he completed 54.1 percent of those passes, averaged 5.1 yards per attempt, threw two picks and had a 63.6 passer rating.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) November 30, 2020
May he be the Bears QB forever.
Had to laugh when Wayne Larivee claimed the defense played really well last night.
Kirksey sucks. He has sucked from day 1.
Watch him on the big run on their opening drive. Fucking concrete shoes.
https://www.chicagobears.com/v...ugh-for-57-yard-gain
@ChilliJon posted:Rodgers threw 300 TDs before 100 INTs and became the first QB in NFL history to do it.
Rodgers might throw his 400th TD this Sunday before his 100th INT.
He’s currently at 397 - 88.
I’ve never seen a better QB.
Played off your post. Thanks
@AaronRodgers12 Now has 397 TD Passes & 88 Interceptions in his career. He's already the first QB to throw 300 TD's & less than 100 INT's This Sunday he may eclipse 400 TD passes before throwing 100 INT's. I've never seen a better QB @stephenasmith
— Boris at Timesfour (@x4_Packers) November 30, 2020
It’s a mind bending stat. Think of the number of throws/completions you have to make to get to 400 TDs. A pick can happen on any one of those attempts.
Russell Wilson might, maybe, possibly get to 300 before 100. But he’s never sniffing 400 before 100. Mahomes is off to a great start. He’s 106-20 today. But lots of work left.
And the craziest part. Rodgers will tell you throwing a sloppy pick 6 this year pisses him off more than anything.
@BrainDed posted:Kirksey sucks. He has sucked from day 1.
Watch him on the big run on their opening drive. Fucking concrete shoes.
https://www.chicagobears.com/v...ugh-for-57-yard-gain
A better view of that play here.
@ChilliJon posted:It’s a mind bending stat. Think of the number of throws/completions you have to make to get to 400 TDs. A pick can happen on any one of those attempts.
Russell Wilson might, maybe, possibly get to 300 before 100. But he’s never sniffing 400 before 100. Mahomes is off to a great start. He’s 106-20 today. But lots of work left.And the craziest part. Rodgers will tell you throwing a sloppy pick 6 this year pisses him off more than anything.
The 397-88 is an amazing ratio, but it's even better than that if you consider the last 10 years.
From 2006-2010, he threw 87 TDs and 32 interceptions to start his career. That's still good, as in the 7th best all time just by itself (2.7)
Since winning the Super Bowl, he has a 310/56 ratio (three of the 56 were in the game in 2017 that he came back in and played while clearly injured). That's a 5.5 ratio. That's a little better than Mahomes (which tells you how good Mahomes is). No one else is really close to those 2.
We laugh about the Cousins contract with the Vikings.
Check this out.
At some point Mahomes isn't going to be surrounded by video game talent. AR also started his career (2008-2011) with a full cupboard of talent to throw to. But we'll see how KC evolves as time goes by.
The only other elite QB I can think of who's had as little to work with on O for as long as AR has is Brady through his last 10 years. * I'm leaving HC and D out of this comparison.
Oren Burks is the modern day version of Jarrett Bush. Very good on special teams, but gawd awful at his normal position on the field.
I really like the big play element that Tonyan brings to the table and while no one would confuse him for J Mike he can split defenses and make big plays for them.
Rodgers played one his best games in quite some time. We are spoiled and the dude is 37.
It’s been fun watching Tonyan figure out he’s a problematic TE for NFL defenses.
it’s been equally fun watching opposing staffs refusing to believe GB has a head coach that knows how to scheme TEs wide open.
It won’t last and GB will need a real compliment to Adams eventually. But it’s fun right now after the McCarthy TE dark years.
@michiganjoe posted:#Bears coach Matt Nagy: "Yesterday was flat-out embarrassing. That performance yesterday is ridiculous and can't happen and obviously that starts with me."
— Brad Biggs (@BradBiggs) November 30, 2020
I admire his candor and hope the Bears keep for years because of that candor.
@Henry posted:So one game means he's "devoted" to him?
@Boris posted:Played off your post. Thanks
@AaronRodgers12 Now has 397 TD Passes & 88 Interceptions in his career. He's already the first QB to throw 300 TD's & less than 100 INT's This Sunday he may eclipse 400 TD passes before throwing 100 INT's. I've never seen a better QB @stephenasmith
— Boris at Timesfour (@x4_Packers) November 30, 2020
2018-2020 he's thrown 84 TDs and 10 INTs.
If he maintained a similar rate, with 11 more INTs (meaning he's still only at 99), he'd throw ~93TDs, which would bring him to 490. It's very unlikely for many reasons, but it's not completely insane to imagine him hitting 500 TDs before 100 INTs.
This. It seems insane that the first QB in NFL history to throw 300 before 100 has a legitimate shot at 500 before 100 and it’s not an argument that’s tough to make. He’s been that good.
@DH13 posted:Also thought it odd MVS didn't see the ball last night. Adams was a bit sloppy and danced a lot after the catch. Hope Lazard is OK, jeesh. Good to see ESB get going but he is no Lazard.
Wonder if the knee thing was a factor. He got 79% of the snaps so he was out there enough. Could have just been one of those nights were Rodgers was seeing someone else early and not waiting on those longer routes. He didn't even get a single target.
A major + to Elgton Jenkins and the rookie Runyan for not only solidifying the line but doing an exceptional job against a solid defense with the starting center out. Being able to run the ball was a key to the outcome.
Jenkins was a great draft pick. Arguably Gute’s best pick next to Alexander.
But Runyan looks like a sneaky great OL pick along the lines of Lang.
Yeah.. I think what we saw last night is the starting OL in 2021. Let Linsley walk in FA, move Runyon into the starting RG spot and have Elgton take over C. Turner has one more year on his deal so he stays at RT. Maybe when it's time to replace RT, you consider moving Elgton out there if you can pick up a good center in the mid rounds of this draft.
Having a guy who can play at a pro bowl level at several positions on the line is huge. This kid is so damn good. He dominates in the run game.
Thinking long term. Jenkins won’t be an inexpensive extension. A guy that size that can play 5 OL positions well is a valuable commodity. Safe to assume they let Linsley explore options. I like Runyan at G. Big body that moves well. Doesn’t look like a Sitton or Bak “how the F was he available on day 3” yet but it’s early.
This offense is really good. Rodgers, Adams, Jones, the Oline. When they are clicking they are really hard to stop.
I still can't believe Gute's only real investment in the defense in the offseason was Kirksey. It's maddening that we continue to waste AR's talent by not improving the defense.
@Maynard posted:Boris, those breakdowns of the MLF offense show it is night and day from what MM was doing at the end. Hopefully MLF keeps adjusting and bringing in more concepts as he is here.
It's also much further along than it was in year 1. The jump they've made in year 2 is not only impressive in scheme and result, but it's also important to note the serious decline in mental errors compared to 2019. They still occur, but not nearly as frequent, which means most of this unit has a much better grasp on concept and execution. They're sure fun to watch when they got it rollin, especially with the pre-snap looks and motion, which cannot be easy to install and make work with consistency.
++++ the only Prime time games the Bears will be seeing in the next couple of years will be Wednesday afternoon against the NFC East , or the Jaguars.
9 total snaps for Martin?? Dude isn’t exactly Singletary but I think he’s the best MLB in GB.
@DH13 posted:At some point Mahomes isn't going to be surrounded by video game talent. AR also started his career (2008-2011) with a full cupboard of talent to throw to. But we'll see how KC evolves as time goes by.
The only other elite QB I can think of who's had as little to work with on O for as long as AR has is Brady through his last 10 years. * I'm leaving HC and D out of this comparison.
The one catch with Mahomes is Andy. All qbs go through what you're talking about if they play long enough. They lose weapons and have to adjust their game according to personnel and their own health as they get on in years. Idk if anyone's been as good, though, over the past 20 years as Reid is at maxing out his qb and playmakers. Maybe BB? No doubt Andy struck the mother lode in KC. He's got a kid who can do nearly anything, and a ton of video game talent. But as good as Mahomes is, the offense he's in is what allowed him to ascend to elite status so quickly. Not too many coaches are capable of that. We will see PM go through some transition at some point, but as long as Andy's at the helm, he's gonna be very tough to figure out.
@YATittle posted:We laugh about the Cousins contract with the Vikings.
Check this out.
That's not actually a terrible contract for a bridge or quality backup QB. The Bears' problem is they don't have a quality prospect for him to bridge to.
@Pakrz posted:9 total snaps for Martin?? Dude isn’t exactly Singletary but I think he’s the best MLB in GB.
He got dinged up early in the game. They probably got super cautious after that.
@Herschel posted:That's not actually a terrible contract for a bridge or quality backup QB. The Bears' problem is they don't have a quality prospect for him to bridge to.
The Bears problem is they haven’t known what to do with the QB position for... well... ever.
@YATittle posted:We laugh about the Cousins contract with the Vikings.
Check this out.
Yes, we do laugh at the Cousins' contact with the vikings, and why wouldn't we?Foles contract makes more sense, to me, than Cousins's did. Why pay $90 trillion for mediocrity? There was no indication shown, of Cousins being a top tier QB, in this League, when he signed that absurd contract. Foles, at least, had shown he can play. He beat up on the hapless vikings in that NFCCG and then went on to win the Super Bowl with Phillie. If Foles isn't playing at a high level, I think it's due to the Bears' coaching system,their porous O Line, and the fact that the Bears Suck.
Foles has proven he can come off the bench and be clutch. He's never proven he can be a successful starter week to week over the course of a season+. Nagy and the bears O isn't helping.
Darnell Savage got a 96.4 PFF rating for the Bears game, highest rating for any defensive player in 2020.
I had visions of Collins dancing in my head on those two picks where he used his speed to get under the ball. But he's flashed before and then kind of disappeared.
@BrainDed posted:Here you can watch Kirksey in all his glory. Might be the best pancake I have ever seen.
Kirksey
We all know Kirksey is horrible. You have maybe 3 ILB, I don't think Pettine is "devoted" to Kirksey. That's like saying Mayo is devoted to MVS.
There's plenty of other reasons to bag on Pettine but he has complete hot garbage to work with at ILB.
And yes, that was a stack of pancakes with syrup and butter.
