Beginning of the End for MM?

There's a few ways it can go. Coughlin was dead and buried a couple times, and came back and won 2 Super Bowls.

But 3 years of defensive failure and offensive deterioration cannot be ignored. He has 2014 to have the arrow pointed back up. Anything short, it's time to move on.

I think MM will be back next season. 

 

But at some point his end will come.  Just wondering if it is starting to happen now.  Certainly this loss has really weakened the team's confidence and a lot of guys gotta be questioning the leadership.

oh c'monnnn...

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Always be coaching. ALWAYS be coaching. As we all know, first place gets a Cadillac Eldorado. Wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. Hit the bricks pal, you are through!

Packers failed to compete and play relative to their talent level and that falls on the entire coaching staff, beginning with MM. 

Really?, lets get real, its a bad season, I get it. But don´t go nuts, everyone has a bad season, specially if you have as many injuries as MM had. I agree that he had a terrible season but look at his stats,  please. At every sport, a good coach  can have a bad season and then bounce back. Arod and MM will bounce back, and i assure you they will win a championship in 2014 or 2015. Take a chill pill. Look at all the injuries they had this year. 

I don't know that MM's seat is getting warm, much less hot, but I hope he is pressured by TT to revise his staff after this season.

Personally, I'm not ready for a new HC. I think MM has shown in the past that he has a brilliant offensive mind, and was developing some innovative formations to utilize as many weapons as possible. Although the last couple of years have been stagnant, it hasn't been fair to judge because of the injury situation, and we were winning enough games to largely overlook.

The one thing I think he hasn't done well is adapt our offense to the available players. I understand the concept of not making significant changes to the basic schemes because of injury, but when the available guys don't have the talent to support that scheme, you have to something  different.

MM is not going anywhere, but it's starting to look like Rodgers has helped make him look better than he is. Really discouraged by the offensive gamecalling by MM with Rodgers out. He's just going through things as if Rodgers never left and hasn't really complemented or played to the strength's(or lack thereof) of the backup QB's. I don't get it either. The guy dialed up a brilliant gameplan back in 2010 for Flynn when he squared off against the Patriots, so he's shown he can do it. For some reason, it's just not there this season. This game really stood out. Capers D looked lost, that was to be expected, but MM was AWFUL with the offense today

 

it's one game though and it's a bad season filled with injuries, including one to probably the most important player in the NFL. Team was 5-2 and well on their way to a division crown and perhaps a first round bye, so MM isn't anywhere close to being on the hot seat. If he holds onto Capers for another season and the team disappoints next year, then he'll deservedly feel some heat

I have to keep reminding myself that their best player (Aaron Rodgers) is not playing and when he was running the team they were 5-2.

 

Not sure anyone would have expected the team to go 0-4-1 in his absence, but it's very possible he's just that good and important.

 

Still, that doesn't explain the way GB got beat yesterday.   Detroit is a good team, but they aren't what I would consider to be a great team and the Packers weren't even competitive yesterday.   That's on the coaches IMO.  

 

Defensively, this team has allowed almost 250 yards rushing in each of the last two games and in the previous three games they've allowed nearly 150 yards rushing per game (on average).  Those are historically bad type numbers yet it's not like the faces on the defensive roster have changed THAT much.

 

Unless the defense makes some dramatic turnaround to finish up the season there's no way Compers will be back.   Maybe they promote Kevin Greene- not sure.  But our current DC has run his course.  

Mike McCarthy has to bear much of the blame here. But to think he needs to be fired is nuts IMO. He needs Rodgers and a new DC. Then he'll be a "jeenyus" again.

Does Aaron Rodgers mask a lot of deficiencies of this team? Yes.
Does Aaron Rodgers make MM's job easier and make him look good? Yes.

What great QB in today's pass happy NFL doesn't make their coach better? Remember what a good coach Jim Caldwell was? You think John Fox and Jack Del Rio are leading the Broncos to a 10-1 record because they're masterminds?

Lot of comments here that MM would struggle without Rodgers. WHAT COACH WOULDNT????? Fortunately though GB has Rodgers he's just hurt right now.

MM has earned the right to fix the pieces that have been exposed as pieces that need fixing. DC, ILB, S, TE.

If this team ends up better overall on the other side of this season then a 5 game **** slide is something that was worth dealing with.

The old addage is Head Coaches wear out their schtick about eight or nine years in to their tenure. Of course that was started pre-free-agency/cap where roster turnover could be much less. I do think in some cases you hit a certain number of years and teams fall in to a rut but not sure this is the case with Green Bay's roster churning.

The team is moving rapidly up the draft board,they keep this play up and they will be near the top,they need some top picks and may just get them at this rate.MM doesnt pass block or play defense.this team appears to have mailed it in and he can do something about that.its too early to call for heads on the chopping block,its only one bad season and with reason, they will return to their proper prominance,dont go crazy yet.

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What great QB in today's pass happy NFL doesn't make their coach better?

Drew Brees.  Look how well the Saints did when Sean Payton was suspended for a season. 

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Maybe we need new owners.......

Do you want to give your shares of Packer stock to me? 

Once in awhile, you get your ass kicked...it's rarely happened to MM....this is not the beginning of the end for him...I think he leaves when he decides to....This team will get Rodgers back, a couple of offensive lineman that can block,  changes in D. coordinator and we'll be back in the hunt.

 

Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh didn't all of a sudden become bad coaches this year. One of the joys of football is how fast a team can rise, unfortunately the opposite is true.

 

 Yesterday showed that TT  should have hung on to Jeremy Ross---I know he fumbled a couple of times, but we could have used that guy this year. 

TT has done a greg job, but he has made some errors ...I have faith that his positive decisions will outweigh his negatives in the upcoming 9 months.

 

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TT has done a greg job,

You mean his sister is constantly bitching about the way the organization is treating him? 

McGinn says we are going 11-5. Good enough for me.

Again, I am not saying McCarthy needs to be fired.  (but some of his coaches do). 

 

Just wanting to know if his time in Green Bay is drawing to an end and are we seeing the start of that.

 

Judging from some the comments I have read today, I may not be the only one thinking the same thing.

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I liked the way Bad Bob said Mark Murphy had "no comment".  Gotta think Murphy was appalled by the display of ineptitude he witnessed yesterday.

Yes, MM is stubborn about staying the course of playcalling, even if Rodgers isn't out there. He's got to change that, and I think he'll learn to do that. He's proven that each year he improves as a HC, but it take him the offseason to reflect on what he's done and how he's done it before he changes. He's done that in the past, and I am pretty confident he'll do it again. Not only that, but MM got tripped up when they went with Wallace and Tolzien as backups and got rid of guys who were actually in the system for a couple years. 

 

Capers, on the other hand, is really starting to p*** me off. He's had years to get his act together and it still hasn't happened. He constantly talks about guys being tired or in the wrong position, well, whose job is it to rotate and get guys in the right spot, and if you can't get the guys you have to follow directions, then get someone out there who can. I was tired yesterday of seeing Hawk follow the mass and leave gaping holes where if he had any discipline, he would have plugged the hole. I'm tired of hearing our secondary was mixed up, and watching again as half the backfield was playing zone and half man-to-man. Why was CMIII on the bench on at least one passing third down? Yes, we had some takeaways yesterday and Shields' INT was a thing of beauty, but cripes, can't we get a running stop when we need one? To allow 30 first downs and 561 net yards is absolutely ridiculous.

 

Is it time for MM to go? Absolutely not. Is it time for Capers to leave? Well past time. If MM doesn't realize it and he wants to stick with Capers no matter what, well, then we'll probably watch both leave.

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Capers, on the other hand, is really starting to p*** me off. He's had years to get his act together and it still hasn't happened.

Hasn't it been posted that Capers' MO seems to be a marked improvent in a team's defense when he shows up, only for the defense slowly to fall down the rankings in subsequent seasons?

This is Capers with his act together, I fear. 

The last time we had a down year with a terrible defensive performance, 2008, McCarthy had a big staff shake up. He could look at doing that again, but I don't think he will. I think they will alter their team building philosophy though, maybe looking for another great FA ala Pickett or Woodson. He's a good coach in a bad year, that's all. We're used to pounding teams, not being pounded.

Theres just no way, McCarthy can justife keeping Capers, hes ran out of excuses. McCarthy himself has to be held accouctable.

Some posters have shown that it is Capers' MO to fall in rankings each year. But now it seems like he falls after the first quarter of games. We hold up for the first quarter or long enough for the opposing OC to determine what Capers is going to call and when he's going to call it, and from that point on the other team just rips our D. When the other team's offensive players start actually saying to the media that they knew what we D we were running, it shows two things: the public disdain opponents feel toward Capers, and that it's past time for him to go.

I agree with GD. Good coach - bad year.

 

Re Capers: I was thrilled when they hired Capers to run the D and have been a supporter up until 3-4 weeks ago. One or two bad games in row by the D is one thing but 5 in a row with almost no improvement (save a few turnovers yesterday) is another. 5 weeks (Not to mention some playoff losses) of basically the SOS on D and I can't see how MM and TT can rule out the idea of making a change at DC.

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and an offensive line.

MM is not going anywhere.  If the Packers will stick with Mason Crosby through thick and thin, I doubt a five-game crapfest would be enough for McCarthy to be sent packing.

I saw a D yesterday that waited for the play to come to them.  They did not attack.  Several times three players were in the right spot and waited for the play to come to them instead of attacking.  If they all attack there is no worry about gap responsibility.  As it was, several times the guy escaped for positive yardage.  You gotta take it to 'em!

 

MM was horrible as OC yesterday.  Watched the game with my Dad and we couldn't believe the run plays he repeatedly called right up the gut.  He's got a fine RB and doesn't know how to use him. Then again, this Oline disappears when EDS goes out.

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chilijohn:
MM has earned the right...

Yeah, I know.  And the Packers brass earned our trust that they would keep the team in the playoff hunt after Rodgers went down.

0-4-1

If MM sticks with Dom one more year and this defense plays like the last two years, then MM will have written his ticket out of GB.   I think he needs to make that change this offseason.

That's what I was thinking as well.  Sticking fairly long with a low-performing formula just doesn't cut it.

 

The Packers defense has been basically gashed so many times for a few years now.

It may or may not happen. But if it does, who replaces Capers? Who out there is the guy?

Other than this one game, I don't think anything has really changed even vs last year.  Our defense with Rodgers in gives up about 20 points per game.  In the 3 loses and the tie we gave up 27 avg.  I have to assume that having Rodgers in, eating up some clock, putting pressure on with the score, and not going 3 and out every other drive is worth those extra 7 points per game.

 

The thing is we've had a sub par defense for a while but have simply been able to outscore everyone.  Now we're just seeing what happens when we can't.

 

Does there need to be defensive changes?  Yes.  Is the sky falling? No.  Consider the Steelers who have a worse record than the Packers and they've had Big Ben all year long.

Or the Falcons and Giants

watching the team this week is like watching the Packers during this past pre-season. As soon as Rodgers went out the whole team was dysfunctional. Rodgers means that much to the offense but this defense has been this way this year. It has to be that Capers defense is well figured out by the rest of the league. I was calling plays from my recliner yesterday before the Lions ran them and was right more than I was wrong.

 

There are no tendencies with the Packers anymore, this is just what they do and other teams now it and know how to exploit it. Time for some fresh eyes on the defense because what worked in Capers his 1st two years has now been figured out. .