This is not a Sherrod!
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quote:Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
I know I would!.....With my truck!
You're going to need a bigger truck.
I think it's time to find out what Alex Green can do. It's wide open right now, and he'll never get a better opportunity. Benson is out, Starks has been injury prone. He could grab control of the running game and never let go. Let's hope.
I dont think its up to the guy who is carrying the ball. its the guys in front of him that are wearing the same jerseys that matter. and the guy without the helmet on the sideline
If our OLine was mauling people in the run game it wouldn't matter who the RB was.
Not to derail the thread, but I used to think RB was the big problem with the run game the last couple season. Grant was getting older or Starks hit the wall or whatever, but we have/had a competent RB in Benson, a 1,000 yard rusher, and he still was struggling at times to find holes. I know part of the low rushing totals can be blamed on McCarthy's lack of commitment, but even when he does commit they still seemed to be doing just enough. Is the problem that they spend too much time on the passing game in practice and not enough time on run blocking? Are run defenses in the NFL just getting that much better?
Not to derail the thread, but I used to think RB was the big problem with the run game the last couple season. Grant was getting older or Starks hit the wall or whatever, but we have/had a competent RB in Benson, a 1,000 yard rusher, and he still was struggling at times to find holes. I know part of the low rushing totals can be blamed on McCarthy's lack of commitment, but even when he does commit they still seemed to be doing just enough. Is the problem that they spend too much time on the passing game in practice and not enough time on run blocking? Are run defenses in the NFL just getting that much better?
And 1,000 yards isn't such a great benchmark any more with a 16-game schedule. That's only around 62 yards/game and only 17 carries at 4 YPC.
A RB that can get 62 yards/game @ 4 ypc in a very much pass first offense should be worth a lot. That should be enough to keep the defense honest.
And also, when you haven't had a 1,000 yard rusher in a couple seasons and your starters have been Brandon Jackson and James Starks, a proven 1,000 yard rusher is a godsend.
And also, when you haven't had a 1,000 yard rusher in a couple seasons and your starters have been Brandon Jackson and James Starks, a proven 1,000 yard rusher is a godsend.
Sorry, but I'm shocked they consider Green the "hot hand." I would be much more excited about seeing Starks now that he's healthy. Hope I'm wrong--my wife says I usually am!
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
A RB that can get 62 yards/game @ 4 ypc in a very much pass first offense should be worth a lot. That should be enough to keep the defense honest.
And also, when you haven't had a 1,000 yard rusher in a couple seasons and your starters have been Brandon Jackson and James Starks, a proven 1,000 yard rusher is a godsend.
Exactly, an even decent back makes a big difference.
I'd love to see us mix in some traps, wham blocks, etc. in our running game. Seems like sometimes we run the ZBS all game just to get that one chance for a cut back breakout run...but it never comes.
quote:Originally posted by FLPACKER:
I'd love to see us mix in some traps, wham blocks, etc. in our running game. Seems like sometimes we run the ZBS all game just to get that one chance for a cut back breakout run...but it never comes.
If that was ever going to happen, it would have been with Benson.
I may be wrong, but I really think Green could show some things this year. He's a great one cut guy. Once the nerves calm a bit I see him being solid.
Available and accountble. Green has been so far this season while Starks has not, that' s why Green is getting the start.
quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Yerry Ellis. It's a soft J. Like Finley's routes.
Yermichael Finley, I like it. He's soft like his first letter.
quote:Originally posted by RoyalWulff:
Sorry, but I'm shocked they consider Green the "hot hand." I would be much more excited about seeing Starks now that he's healthy. Hope I'm wrong--my wife says I usually am!
I want to know what Stark's has ever brought. In my mind he has always been just mediocre. I don't believe MM gave anyone practice reps except Benson cause he was trying to learn the system. Now he is spreading the reps which isn't really helping either if you are trying to get a guy ready for this week.
When Starks came in in late 2010 he ran with a burst and violence that actually made defenses respect our running game. Since then, along with being constantly in the tub, he has hesitated too much behind the line and not found the gaps he had back then. If there have been any.
Good observation DH13.
IIRC, they dummied down the offense for him when he came in late in 2010. He did fine then.
Then last year, when he was in, you saw a lot of blown assignments and AR12 pointing to where he was supposed to go prior to the snap and/or chewing him out after the play. And yes, hesitation when he got the ball. I think it is the main reason Green passed him on the depth chart. He never grew into the full-time role.
IIRC, they dummied down the offense for him when he came in late in 2010. He did fine then.
Then last year, when he was in, you saw a lot of blown assignments and AR12 pointing to where he was supposed to go prior to the snap and/or chewing him out after the play. And yes, hesitation when he got the ball. I think it is the main reason Green passed him on the depth chart. He never grew into the full-time role.
Hunting land sharks 'eh!!quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:quote:Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
I know I would!.....With my truck!
You're going to need a bigger truck.
I'd like to see the Packers trade for someone like Ringer of the Titans. But I'd hate to think of who we'd have to give up!!
quote:Originally posted by FLPACKER:
I'd love to see us mix in some traps, wham blocks, etc. in our running game. Seems like sometimes we run the ZBS all game just to get that one chance for a cut back breakout run...but it never comes.
Why would we get a cutback breakout run when everyone knows that's what we're trying to do? All they do is stay home and our backs come to them. Somewhere we need some road-graders who can put a Dline on its heels. A few plow-aheads for 4+ yards a crack would then open up a whole lot of other stuff, to say nothing of wearing down a D and chewing up clock when we're ahead.
The rule of thumb among personnel guys is you kind of have to pick between OL who excel at pass blocking OR excel at run blocking. Guys who can do both are tough to find and since we have AR, we're geared toward pass blocking. And because of MM's current offense, the current line doesn't get a whole lot of run blocking practice. If MM has to ration his time on what to improve on, I can bet you his belly that he'll spend the lion's share on "fixing the passing game". I know, establishing a running game would help the passing game but I'm sure you see what I'm saying.
Except this o-line also sucks at pass blocking. Only game AR played with little to no pressure was against the Saints, who sport arguably the worst defense in the league.
Thorough assessment of Alex Green vs The Colts
acmepackingcompany.com
acmepackingcompany.com
Don't know if this warrants another thread but there is an interesting statistical breakdown of the Packers running game and how the lack of using it may be contributing to the lack of overall scoring.
acme packing: run's effect on scoring
acme packing: run's effect on scoring
I'd like to see them get better at run blocking. I like lineman that can do both things decently, see Tauscher. The only position where i'd give a little on this would be at the LT position. That position is very important to have a rock solid pass protector in, because usually you are going against the oppositions best pass rusher and it is the qb's blindside. Looking at the past draft, im not sure there was a lot of help in the 2nd or 3rd round at the left tackle position. Newhouse isnt getting it.
Newhouse has been okay. The problem has been Saturday which is impacting Sitton and Lang.
Getting closer
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According to the NFL’s new IR rule, players designated for return cannot practice for six weeks and cannot play for eight. Benson would be eligible to return to practice next week – he’s not required to do so and may not be ready to do so, but he could do so – and would be eligible to play against the Lions after sitting out this week, next week’s game at the New York Giants and the Dec. 2 home game against Minnesota.
LOL!
I just hope he's still out when we play one another.
I just hope he's still out when we play one another.
