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Probably some of you have seen this article already. If not or if so, Bob makes some pretty damning observations and evaluations of the Packers from top to bottom. Certainly he will make no friends of some in the Packers locker room based on what he points out to us.

In case you did not read it here are some paragraphs and segments. If you can get access to the entire article, there are some other very good opinions to consider.


From Bob McGinn at JSOnline:

Plenty of Blame to Go Around

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The failure of the Green Bay Packers' defense this season lay at the feet of the players, Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy and his staff of defensive coaches.

When the offense had one bad day, the defense not only wasn't there to pick it up last Sunday but exacerbated the problem by giving up 37 points in the crushing NFC divisional playoff loss to the New York Giants.

Lambeau Field stands ice cold and silent. The NFC Championship Game destined for Green Bay will be played late Sunday afternoon in San Francisco, and the Packers will be watching from home.

In his valedictory Wednesday, McCarthy spoke of weak fundamentals and sloppy tackling to explain the collapse of his defense. That was the sanitized coach-speak of a man obviously not interested in saying what was really on his mind.


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In chronological order, let's look back at the people and events that shaped the worst defense in franchise history and the second-worst defense in NFL history. Clearly, this is a fall that could have been avoided.

On March 2, the Packers cut A.J. Hawk to escape his $10 million guaranteed salary for 2011. The next day, they signed him for $33.75 million over five years.

The decision to re-sign Hawk was doubly damaging because it also meant the end of Nick Barnett's career in Green Bay. They played side-by-side from 2006 until Week 4 of 2010 when Barnett broke his wrist. Scouts routinely over the years called Barnett the better player of the two.

Hawk started 15 games, playing almost every down. He finished third in tackles with 109 and didn't have a turnover play. His contract averaged $6.75 million.

It's beyond me how Thompson can come back with Hawk as the starter next season. There even have been whispers among Hawk's teammates. They know better than anyone else how little his game has to offer.

Some scouts have said rookie D.J. Smith played better in 3Â― games than Hawk did. He's the future, not Hawk.


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By draft day, Thompson already had made the decision that Cullen Jenkins was too much of an injury risk and wouldn't be re-signed. It was similar to March 2010, when Thompson let Aaron Kampman, another oft-injured pass rusher, walk as a free agent.

Thompson was dead right on Kampman because he kept getting hurt. But he was dead wrong on Jenkins.

The Packers were counting on Mike Neal to compensate for Jenkins' pass rush. If Neal failed, they knew the next-best rush option was to draft someone to start opposite Clay Matthews.

Jenkins was the same player in Philadelphia that he had been in Green Bay except he didn't miss any games. Neal, of course, proved worthless. The entire D-line had 37Â― pressures in 17 games this year whereas Jenkins had 35 by himself in 15 games last year.



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Driven to wit's end by the non-pass rush, coordinator Dom Capers threw up his arms and decided he might as well just drop eight against the Giants. But given the dysfunction in the back seven, Eli Manning still shredded the defense and that was that.

Not even Capers' "Come to Jesus" meetings during the open week could rescue this bunch.

Tramon Williams, Sam Shields and Morgan Burnett learned it from Charles Woodson. They also had won a Super Bowl taking those same kinds of chances.

Even that is no excuse for what happened in coverage. What went on at the linebacker and secondary levels was shameful.

Not only wouldn't Williams and Shields hit anyone, they kept gambling as if they were trying to become the next Deion Sanders. Williams became a sitting duck for double-moves. Shields wouldn't stop peeking at the quarterback when he wasn't in contact with his receiver and too often ended up losing him.

Patrolling deep, Burnett got so itchy to join the interception parade that he kept vacating the middle and endangering the cornerbacks.

The cultural creator and ringleader, Woodson, came through with his normal haul of picks but also gave up two or three times as many costly plays.

Yet, Woodson always gets the benefit of the doubt from his coaches and almost always from the fans. Because his words and matter-of-fact body language almost never acknowledge fault, the ill-informed often consider him beyond reproach.

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A year ago, the Packers played over many more injuries than just Nick Collins. This time they didn't because a raft of defenders fell off their performance level of 2010, including Woodson, Williams, Shields, Peprah, Hawk, Raji, Neal, Frank Zombo, Jarius Wynn, C.J. Wilson and Howard Green.

Some of those who coordinated and coached offenses against Green Bay this season pointed out that Capers' fire-zone scheme wasn't exactly hard to figure out, either.

Aaron Rodgers and the offense would have scored 50 points or more if given a shot at this inept defense. Even though the Packers were ahead at least 90% of the time, the defense still couldn't muster more than 29 sacks.

So it's over. An impressive 36-12 in the last three regular seasons, the Packers had a legitimate chance to win three Super Bowls and instead captured one.

If Thompson now lets center Scott Wells get away, as he did Jenkins, you'll know something is terribly amiss. But the guess is that the Packers will have learned from their mistake.

The Packers have a dominating offense led by a prolific quarterback. The next eight months will be about reshaping the defense into a competent group.
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I really hope that Ted has a good draft so Bob McGinn and the other "experts" will have this nonsense about Dom's defense being "predictable" shoved in their faces. He's just a guy who plays things really safe when he doesn't have the necessary talent on the field. Outside of Matthews, this may have been the worst bunch of pass-rushers the Packers have ever put out on the field. Peprah sucked really, really hard, Walden was fool's gold, and Raji needs a guy like Jenkins next to him to be effective as a pass-rusher. It's not much more complicated than that.
Agree with him on Hawk. I was excited when we drafted him, but since then I haven't seen anything to make me think he's worth it. I think getting rid of Barnett was a good move, and I suppose TT had to keep Hawk because of it, but I haven't been thrilled with him.

Watching the SF defense tonight it really is clear to me how far the Packers D has to go. Unlike McGinn, I do like the risks out D takes at times, but the pass rush and tackling of SF was just so fun to watch. Shame they have an inept offense.

If we get a pass rush and guys who can flow to the ball and tackle, I think we're unstoppable.
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When the offense had one bad day, the defense not only wasn't there to pick it up last Sunday but exacerbated the problem by giving up 37 points in the crushing NFC divisional playoff loss to the New York Giants.


It may hurt Bob's narrative, but the defense wasn't the problem against the Giants. They played like they had all year and if the offense performs even close to their usual standards the Packers likely win.

Agree with him on Hawk. He's a guy with middle round talent and you don't compound TT's mistake by continuing to go with mediocrity when there are better options available (Smith).
Yep, hard to dispute any of it. The defense was a ticking time bomb all year, and all it took was an off day by the offense to make the whole works blow up.

All things considered, I think we can see now that we were all dazzled by the numbers on offense and that this was probably an 11-5 team disguised as a 15-1 team. Only a handful of times this year did GB truly control their opponent from start to finish; too often they just outscored teams instead of really beating them.
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too often they just outscored teams instead of really beating them


huh? Confused don't you beat teams by outscoring them?
the defense was suspect but the offense turnovers are what killed the pack v the gints. nothing else. same thing with SF. don't turn the ball over and GB was playing SF yesterday. had SF not had any turnovers yesterday I have no doubt they would have won. Eli wasn't getting anywhere against that D and looked his usual pedestrian self.
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Originally posted by Herschel:
Good piece by McGinn. Blunt, but true.


While I generally agree that McGinn "told it as is was", it also smacks of hindsight. We can take virtually every one of his arguments, change TTs decision on Hawk/Jenkins or anyone or anything else pertinent to this defense's collapse, and McGinn would be questioning those, too. It's easy to look back and bitch. Not so easy to be in TTs office and have to make these decisions. Last season it worked out, this season it did not.

Sure, the defense was lousy. Was lousy all season and there was no reason to think it would magically be better against the Gints. The x-factor was the Philbin situation. The offense just wasn't there. Imo, Jennings and Rodgers had too much rest and lost their edge, but the main thing was they were simply out of sync with the Philbin thing the main cause of that.
I agree with who.

Regardless, outside of ONE play (Hail Mary - and had the Packers not called a TO thereby removing the prior play, it never would have happened), the Packers were a game away from the SB with an average offensive performance.

8 dropped passes? 3 fumbles? Rodgers totally missing a wide open Jennings? And Rodgers was just generally off anyway.)

I think the Packers may have run them out of the building if the offense was sharp - even with an average performance from this woeful edition of their defense.
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Originally posted by Badgeman:
While I generally agree that McGinn "told it as is was", it also smacks of hindsight. We can take virtually every one of his arguments, change TTs decision on Hawk/Jenkins or anyone or anything else pertinent to this defense's collapse, and McGinn would be questioning those, too. It's easy to look back and bitch


Well, if those decisions were reversed would the team be sitting where it is now? Home? Anyway, I think this is a great commentary. There is some hindsight but there is pretty weighty stuff with the Hawk commentary and the secondary thinking they were the next batch of Deion Sanders'.

It will be interesting what TT does with Wells.
hntr74 and Badgeman right on the money. Both equally good posts IMO.

IMO, TT makes his changes on the D side and we are right back on track. This secondary is built to play like they did, at least at CB. What you want are snot-knocking safeties that can cover a bit. And none of that will happen with a front seven was as feeble as they were when getting to the QB.
Personally, I think his Super Bowl preview is worse:

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It will be a rematch of the greatest Super Bowl of all, at least as ranked in "The Ultimate Super Bowl Book." Four years ago, the Giants were a 12-point underdog when they ambushed the Patriots, 17-14, in Glendale, Ariz.
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[at the end of the article]
Bob McGinn is the author of the “The Ultimate Super Bowl Book.”


So basically, McGinn is essentially saying "It will be a rematch of the greatest Superbowl of all, according to me."
Roll Eyes
Just adding another vote to the "hindsight" crowd, though there are some dead on points in the article.

I remember similar questioning of the Bulaga pick with can't miss studs like Hughes and Kindle there on the board. But because Sherrod's season was shot by spending his limited TC learning to play LG and Brooks Reed put up solid numbers, the guy forgot how to draft?

Jenkins and Kampman are pretty different situations, but that would have been a dumb call too if Kampman gets 8 sacks in Jax his first year.

I think the one we can all agree on is the contract given to Hawk because that one was a big head scratcher even at the time. TT's worst contract still goes to Chillar, but the Hawk deal rightly deserves the criticism. Can't imagine why the guy would have a weakness for scrappy white LBs.
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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
Ted designed a program that won the Superbowl last year and got home field advantage this year.

I would hope for Ted to make no alterations to how he does business.


Learn from your mistakes. Pretty sure Uncle Ted is capable, just like he adjusted for his oline adventures earlier in his career. This guy will build a capable defense.
It really is amazing to have gone 15-1 with a defense as bad as this year's was. It seemed like the only guys that played hard every time I watched them were Matthews, Pickett, and Bishop. For the most part, Woodson did play hard, but even he had his lapses. Perhaps Hawk may have played hard, but he just looks so ordinary out there that maybe his days are numbered as an everyday player.

Guys like Burnett, Williams, Shields, and Raji have way too much talent to play as crummy as they did this year. I'll give Burnett a pass as he was coming off a bad knee injury and then suffered the broken hand, but he still needs to be smarter than he was this year.

Whatever magic fairy dust that brought out the best in Howard Green, Jarious Wynn, CJ Wilson, Erik Walden, and Charlie Peprah in 2010 seemed to have worn off and all those guys looked like they did not belong on an NFL field in 2011. It wouldn't shock me if none of them made the roster in 2012 if Thompson goes out and drafts a ton of defensive guys which I expect him to do.
By the time the playoffs came around it was clear what we had on defense.

The team can and did win with that defense. 15-1 in fact.

The offense and the offensive genius, MM, played their worst game at the most important time.

Meanwhile the Patriots are going to their 5th SB in the past 10 years with a far weaker roster. With a defense that is almost as bad as the Packers. With WRs playing DB.

Neither TT nor Capers nor the defense are the reason the Packers didn't make it to the NFCC game.
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Originally posted by ammo:
Why would anyone call McGinn their buddy?


Well, I like Bob McGinn's style. Yes, too often he can be very dour and forbidding which leaves many of us with a feeling gloom and doom. And many times I find myself looking for reasons why I continue to read this guy. But the guy does write well-informed opinionated articles and while his stark honesty may get people riled up, he gives you lots to think about.

I suggest for anyome to read the entire article itself. There is a bunch more to read and think about.
You would think that after a 36-12 regular season run and a Lombardi, Thompson would get the benefit of the doubt occasionally.

McGinn is no different than Patty or Arrigo. He shuts up when the team is having success, but when something goes awry he's johnny on the spot with a scathing article about everything they're doing wrong like he's an expert on all things football.
He does a full review at the end of every season, and as I said he wrote regularly about GB's dominance during the season. He's not a doom and gloom guy - I think he's about as objective as it gets for a beat writer. It's guys like Vandermause that make me puke - you can't even read what he's writing because you're getting hit in the face too many times with his waving pom poms.
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Originally posted by who:

McGinn is a fine writer, and this is a good piece.


Agreed. I remember thinking before the game that this could have one of two extreme effects on the team. They'd do an Irv Favre rally and play WAY over their heads, or would be listless, confused, and just go through the motions while wondering who they'd play in Green Bay the following week.

A tragedy like that... it's not an excuse, but it might have had a significant impact on the entire team's mindset.
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The difference, IMO, between the Philbin thing and the Irv thing is Irv passed on Friday, I believe, when the game plan was set and possibly the team had already gone to Oakland. No protocol or process was affected by a coach not being there. I was also add that really only one player in the Irv case could have been affected by it while if Philbin was as prominent in game planning and the such, the whole offense could have been affected.
I do not for the life of me understand the McGinn hate.

I have always found him objective and fair. I've rarely seen pot stirring or anything that I'd construe as baiting.

You may not agree with him, and that's fine, but reading this article, I think it's pretty spot on in the analysis. I personally think he over values Jenkins a bit much, but that's fine.

And, while there's some hindsight to it, I wouldn't call it completely, as just the week before he called out the defense pretty clearly.

Regardless, objectively I think he expresses a lot of what we all saw this year with the defense. I didn't view it as a bashing Thompson fest.
I agree about Hawk... The guy just doesn't make plays and is a liability in pass coverage.

The comments about Jenkins are short sighted as you know we can't sign every guy going into Free Agency.. It's just the nature of the beast and there is no mention of that.

The comments about the secondary are concerning, however, maybe they had the same mentality last season, but were not asked to cover for 8 seconds a pass?
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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Why then does he wait until something goes wrong to put out very critical articles full of hindsight? Why are there no articles on what they're doing right when things are going well? He's pandering to the gloom and doom crowd.


I'm glad he is giving the Packers the criticism they deserve. Don't forget McGinn is not the GM, his job is to comment on what he sees now, and not to prognosticate.
How quickly we forget. In his season preview and in the majority of his articles this season McGinn was full of praise for the organization, coaches and many players. In essence said they were poised to be the next dynasty. Didn't see people ragging on him then. His end-of-season criticism of the defense was well-deserved.

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