if that a**hole doesn't get fined for his assault on Greg Jennings Monday nite it may be the straw that breaks this camel's back. that was helmet to helmet for no reason whatsoever.
we'll see what Mr. Consistency does with that.
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No fines for Packers player tweets... The league may be trying to backpedal away from this game as fast as they can. I will not be surprised if he does not get fined.
Most definitely.
I don't understand why the Packers WR's & O-Line didn't simply do a 5-finger death punch to their throats. They would've stopped all that crap.
However, I understand our guys are far too classy to stoop to that level but that's what it would take to get them to stop
...and yes the league wants to be as far away from this game as possible.
How the commissioner isn't invoking NFL rule #17 is beyond me. I had respect for him doing a tough, thankless job until Monday Night.
**** the NFL!
I don't understand why the Packers WR's & O-Line didn't simply do a 5-finger death punch to their throats. They would've stopped all that crap.
However, I understand our guys are far too classy to stoop to that level but that's what it would take to get them to stop
...and yes the league wants to be as far away from this game as possible.
How the commissioner isn't invoking NFL rule #17 is beyond me. I had respect for him doing a tough, thankless job until Monday Night.
**** the NFL!
My camel (no toes on this one) currently rehabbing his back.
My only wish is that someone knocks this guy out in the next game with a hit just like that.
Who needs a bounty when you have replacement refs.
Who needs a bounty when you have replacement refs.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
How the commissioner isn't invoking NFL rule #17 is beyond me.
Totally mis-judged the fans. If he invoked rule #17 (and the owners input can't be overlooked in this) he is admitting the regular ref's are in the right. The players and fans outrage on this, IMO, has put them into high gear with their negotiations. Late Monday night / early Tuesday guys like Adnrew Brandt were saying they didn't expect the MNF fiasco to be the tipping point. And yet, 24-36 hours later the NFL and NFLRA are close to an agreement?
@AdamSchefter
As @mortreport is reporting, an agreement between NFL and NFLRA is at hand and both sides will work to have officials working this weekend.
The owners have heard and seen/saw - and they did not like what the future held.
Unfortunately GB is the sacrificial lamb that forced the NFL to realize there was no win in their petty @ss money grab.
Great to get the refs back. Sad the NFL let it get this far. Goodell let the owners turn him into the inflatable f**k doll and take the PR hit but if he didn't see this coming then that's on him.
I'm already looking forward to the warm reception he receives at the 2013 NFL Draft in NY. If he's still around that is...
Great to get the refs back. Sad the NFL let it get this far. Goodell let the owners turn him into the inflatable f**k doll and take the PR hit but if he didn't see this coming then that's on him.
I'm already looking forward to the warm reception he receives at the 2013 NFL Draft in NY. If he's still around that is...
I'm still not watching. The Packers won that game (like 3 times) & rightfully should be credited with a win.
quote:The Packers won that game (like 3 times) & rightfully should be credited with a win.
I can't get over that either. I was so proud of the team, how they banded together to punch back harder, get the lead, snuff 'em out. And when they closed out the win by forcing Wilson into that INT - ball game!
that's the way I will choose to remember it. just like it was supposed to end.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
I'm still not watching. The Packers won that game (like 3 times) & rightfully should be credited with a win.
I'm not watching either. If I had season tickets, I'd send them back and tell them I can find better ways to invest my time. I can't get past that either.
The play that still burns me more than anything.
This replay doesn't show what the ref did. He simply took out his flag and dropped it. As if to say, "I'm not really sure if that's illegal or not. It might be. Maybe if I just drop my flag quietly no one will notice. Boy I hope this pass is completed..... crap".
This replay doesn't show what the ref did. He simply took out his flag and dropped it. As if to say, "I'm not really sure if that's illegal or not. It might be. Maybe if I just drop my flag quietly no one will notice. Boy I hope this pass is completed..... crap".
To me, that is 1A or 1B with the worst call of the night ...
Game over, thanks for coming.
Game over, thanks for coming.
I imagine this was the 2nd clip (behind we all know what) that McCarthy/Packers sent/send to the league this week. Prime example of why the offense couldn't get going, our guys were getting raped and no one cared.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by Boris:
How the commissioner isn't invoking NFL rule #17 is beyond me.
Totally mis-judged the fans. If he invoked rule #17 (and the owners input can't be overlooked in this) he is admitting the regular ref's are in the right. The players and fans outrage on this, IMO, has put them into high gear with their negotiations. Late Monday night / early Tuesday guys like Adnrew Brandt were saying they didn't expect the MNF fiasco to be the tipping point. And yet, 24-36 hours later the NFL and NFLRA are close to an agreement?
@AdamSchefter
As @mortreport is reporting, an agreement between NFL and NFLRA is at hand and both sides will work to have officials working this weekend.
The owners have heard and seen/saw - and they did not like what the future held.
Fandemonium was next on the list ...
Dumarses are starting to figure out that fans put a lot into getting to a game and a lot of them do not have a lot to lose by taking it out on the problem thats right there in front of them.
Rodgers said it very well yesterday with his apology to the fans when he recognized their importance.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by Boris:
How the commissioner isn't invoking NFL rule #17 is beyond me.
Totally mis-judged the fans. If he invoked rule #17 (and the owners input can't be overlooked in this) he is admitting the regular ref's are in the right. The players and fans outrage on this, IMO, has put them into high gear with their negotiations. Late Monday night / early Tuesday guys like Adnrew Brandt were saying they didn't expect the MNF fiasco to be the tipping point. And yet, 24-36 hours later the NFL and NFLRA are close to an agreement?
If it put negotiations into high gear, then it can convince him to see his error in not reversing the call and the outcome. I see nothing in the rules that says he can't change his mind.
Rule 17 can still be invoked, and outside Seattle, it seems like the entire country thinks it should. Except one man.
The more I see these plays, the madder I get...
The league can put their fingers in their ears and scream lalalalala all they want over this entire issue. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....
The egg is already on his face. Coming clean would only help him to look human. Goodell just wants to be able to fist bump everyone at the draft and act like everyone's dad who wants to be cool. What a tool.
This whole situation just makes me laugh because it is so ludicrous.
The egg is already on his face. Coming clean would only help him to look human. Goodell just wants to be able to fist bump everyone at the draft and act like everyone's dad who wants to be cool. What a tool.
This whole situation just makes me laugh because it is so ludicrous.
I want them to explain all of those calls. The roughing the passer took at least 3 points off the board. There was so much illegal crap going on during the game it was pathetic. That seems to be the way of the college coaches who come to the NFL. Teach the team to play outside the rules.
Not sure what point you are trying to make. Any "real" football fan would be pissed.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Not sure what point you are trying to make. Any "real" football fan would be pissed.
True but we might as well get over it . There is no way this will ever be overturned. No players are going to pull up lame or not play for the first series. Roger will not call on Rule 17. If you want don't watch or don't go to the games or shut down the game threads or don't purchase consessions. Carry all the signs to the game you want, insult the NFL, etc,. You may feel better but guess what, nothing will put that game in the win column.
My advice, get over it, hope the team uses the expierience as a springboard for the rest of the season, a season that if successful and ends with a win will make us forget the whole sorry incident. Face it, if the Pack gets on a roll everyone who now says they are boycotting the NFL will be happily excited and back on board.
As Meathead Tice said, "Enjoy the season".
Agreed, Pikes. As much as it pains me to say it, Goodell is going to let this one blow over. When the real refs do sign, that will be the story and the heat is off Goodell. The Screwing in Seattle story will die quickly, and Goodell survives. After all, who cares about only 100,000 people in Green Bay? They don't even have a "real" owner to complain.
As for Browner, his flexing his arms after cheap-shotting and then taking down G. Jennings shows he's nothing but a classless a******. It's unfortunate, but Carroll seems to have put the punk attitude in a good many of his players. They have good talent, but a 2-cent coach.
As for Browner, his flexing his arms after cheap-shotting and then taking down G. Jennings shows he's nothing but a classless a******. It's unfortunate, but Carroll seems to have put the punk attitude in a good many of his players. They have good talent, but a 2-cent coach.
He was the most penalized B in the league last year per Gruden, who didn't come right out & say it, but inferred he was known as a dirty player.
Browner should have been ejected - it's as simple as that
This isn't the WWE or at least it wasn't until they brought in the replacement refs
This isn't the WWE or at least it wasn't until they brought in the replacement refs
The woman reporter asks why he thinks the Packers are not scoring so much.quote:
Gee, ya think maybe 8 sacks in the first half might kind'a sort'a be enough to explain?.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
if that a**hole doesn't get fined for his assault on Greg Jennings Monday nite it may be the straw that breaks this camel's back. that was helmet to helmet for no reason whatsoever.
we'll see what Mr. Consistency does with that.
It was not helmet-to-helmet, AND it was legal. As soon as the QB either gets rid of the ball or leaves the pocket, before the play is over, receivers can be blocked at will by the defense.
Was it an unnecessary hit? Yes. Cheap? Yes. Perfectly legal and allowed? Absolutely. There's nothing to fine him for, and when Jennings was asked about it, he sure would have said if it was a helmet-to-helmet hit and should have drawn a flag, but he didn't; and with Jennings on record hating bump-and-run coverage and any contact in general, that's probably WHY Browner laid him out. The Seahawks defense is incredibly physical, nowadays. An elite receiver who hates being touched? Jennings put a target on his own back.
From the NFL rule book:
Article 7: End of Restrictions
If the quarterback or the receiver of the snap demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball (i.e., hands off or pitches the ball to another player, throws a forward or backward pass, loses possession of the ball by a muff that touches the ground or a fumble, or if he is tackled) the restrictions on the defensive team prohibiting illegal contact, an illegal cut block, or defensive holding against an offensive receiver will end. If the quarterback leaves the pocket area with the ball in his possession, the restrictions on illegal contact and an illegal cut block both end, but the restriction on defensive holding remains in effect.
Another relevant part of the rule book:
Article 5: Legal Use of Hands or Arms by Defense.
A defensive player may use his hands, arms, or body to push, pull, or ward off offensive players:
(a) When he is defending himself against an obstructing opponent while attempting to reach the runner; or
(b) when an opponent is obviously attempting to block him; or
(c) in a personal attempt to reach a loose ball that has touched the ground during a backward pass, fumble, or kick; or
(d) during a forward pass that has crossed the neutral zone and has been touched by any player.
Exception 1: An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent only to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball (including handing off the ball, pitching the ball, or moving out of the pocket). See Rule 8, Section 4, Articles 1-4 for rules applicable to illegal contact with an eligible receiver.
Exception 2: See Rule 8, Section 4, Article 5 for rules applicable for an Illegal Cut Block against an eligible receiver.
quote:Originally posted by RolandDeschain:
It was not helmet-to-helmet
Ah, yes it was.
Maybe you should go watch the video on page 1 of this thread Gunslinger. Browner pretty clearly puts the the top of his helmet into Jennings facemask. Not a legal hit. Was it the worst cheap shot I've ever seen? No, but it was a cheap shot none the less and I think one that if a professional referee had seen he would have flagged for Unnecessary Roughness/Blow to the Head.
I'm pretty sure RolandD is one of the people who thinks 6-1X0+2/2 = 1 and we won't be able to change his mind no matter how clear the picture is.
One day he will knock somebody or himself out of the league on something stupid like this. Seriously he did this cause a WR doesn't like to be touched, how about grow the hell up and play like a professional
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We are blessed
We are blessed
Also perfectly legal? Just wondering.
Golden Taint last week against the Cowboys.
Golden Taint last week against the Cowboys.
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
I'm pretty sure RolandD is one of the people who thinks 6-1X0+2/2 = 1 and we won't be able to change his mind no matter how clear the picture is.
Helmet to the shoulder isn't a helmet to the helmet, no matter how much you want it to be. Again, don't you think Jennings would have SAID something in that interview if it had been helmet-to-helmet? Yes, almost guaranteed. I know you all are sore, thinking the final call was muffed, but that doesn't mean the game was full of blown calls only against Green Bay, or anything.