Laughed last week when Bucky and the Packers look absolutely horribleβ¦β¦then yesterday, Bucky kicked some ass!!!!! Thought the Packers likewise of the Badger win would come out looking to kick some lowly Washington asses. π³ The Packers lost, and not only did they lose, THEY ABSOLUTELY LOOKED LIKE SHIT DOING IT. 
The other issue that we don't talk about a lot on this board is that while the Packers secondary is good individually in terms of coverage talent, 4 of the 5 guys just aren't playmakers back there. They knock down passes (except for today!), but don't pick them off, and they certainly don't take them to the house when they get them. Those are plays (like Campbell's today) that potentially change games, especially with a sputtering offense.
Rasul Douglas haΘ 5 picks, 2 TD returns, and 105 return yards in 18 games as a Packer. He's the only guy with some knack for making plays in the defensive backfield.
Jaire has 6 interceptions, 0 TDs, and 90 return yards in 53 games.
Savage has 8 ints, 0 TDs, and 50 return yards in 52 games.
Amos has 6 ints, 0 TDs, and 59 yards in 55 games as a Packer.
Stokes has 1 pick for 0 yards in 22 games.
Compare that to some of the guys the Packers had back there the last 30 years (Statistics are Packers games only).
Woodson 100 games, 38 Ints, 568 yards, NINE TDs
Nick Collins 95 games, 21 Ints, 507 yards, 4 TDs
Butler 181 games, 38 ints, 533 yards, 1 TD
Sharper 121 games, 36 ints, 677 yards, 5 TDs (it pains me to list him)
Tramon 159 games, 30 ints, 419 yards, 1 TD
Shields 80 games, 18 ints, 180 yards
Al Harris 102 games, 14 ints, 233 yards, 3 TDs
Mike Mckenzie 67 games, 15 ints, 166 yards, 3 TDs
Doug Evans 79 games, 12 ints, 159 yards, 1 TD
@MichiganPacker posted:They suck in the passing game. Lewis is just another OT out there at this point and DeGuara was a draft day reach that just isn't good enough to be a difference maker.
Lewis is probably on team because Rodgers wants him. Do they really use DeGuara for anything? The whole offense just looks unorganized.
I had no idea Mike Mckenzie had those stats in GB.
@MichiganPacker posted:(sorry for the edit)
Rasul Douglas haΘ 5 picks, 2 TD returns, and 105 return yards in 18 games as a Packer. He's the only guy with some knack for making plays in the defensive backfield.
Rasul had 1 int today and a chance for 4 others.
Playing the position he should be playing..
Packers failed to convert a single 3rd down today, first time they've done that since Week 6 in 1999.
@MichiganPacker posted:Sharper 121 games, 36 ints, 677 yards, 5 TDs (it pains me to list him)
He was also the dumbass who would intercept a 40 yard pass on fourth downβ¦.or intercept a pass in the end zone as time expired, and then try to run it back for a TD.
Didnβt watch or listen to the game. Sounded like McLaurin schooled Alexander? True?
Not a Dungy fan but he has the same opinion as I do at halftime of SNF
@Pakrz posted:I had no idea Mike Mckenzie had those stats in GB.
Not only that, they were able to trade him for the second round pick that became Nick Collins.
@GBFanForLife posted:Not a Dungy fan but he has the same opinion as I do at halftime of SNF
Which is what? I'm not watching.
@Blair Kiel posted:This one?
Not even close enough for a cigar.
Although she does demonstrate an exceptional overbite.
I'm talking COINS in a headdress.
@MichiganPacker posted:Which is what? I'm not watching.
That Rodgers is a big part of the problem. Said he should have seen Watkins on the 4th down to Doubs and showed another play where Rodgers threw a short low ball when Watkins was wide open down the sideline the same side of the field.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:This.
This is the stupidest take ever
For what it's worth Tony Dungy said the same at halftime of SNF.
Who are players on this team that would stand up and lead in the locker room?
+ Before today the Packers had three losses to teams with a combined record of 16-4.
- Todayβs game happened.
Not so much the loses but how bad the team played.
@MichiganPacker posted:I really want to see Bob Uecker call the last out of a World Series win. The chances of that happening are almost zero now. 2019 was about as close as they'll ever get.
The Bucks won obviously because they got a top 20 (at least) player all-time as the 15th overall pick. But almost as importantly, when they fell short a couple of times in the playoffs, they decided that they needed a different point guard and went all in on Jrue Holiday. It worked.
The Brewers are content just to make the playoffs and don't (or won't) ever mortgage a chance to win 85 games three years from now to get over the top.
The Packers front office's main goal is much like the Brewers. Stay competitive every year, but don't ever sell out to win in the current year. If the Bucks were run like the Packers, we'd still have Eric Bledsoe bricking shots in a playoff series. Heck, if the Bucks were run like the Packers, they'd probably still be waiting for DJ Wilson and Thon Maker to turn into difference makers.
As do I. Bobβs been there so long, and hearing his final call would be the ultimate in catharsis after so many years of gut wrenching disappointment. And the man deserves it. Heβs been as loyal to the franchise as anyone.
How that franchise is run just baffles me. There are ways to help a team, even without backing up the Brinks truck, and there are ways to hurt it. Forget that Josh Hader had been struggling. Trading him the way they did really hurt the locker room chemistry. Setting aside the concern that they wanted to get some compensation instead of just letting him leave, you donβt do that to a team that is conceivably in the hunt for a World Series. They got a mediocre closer and a bunch of prospects in return. Once again, just like the Packers, put in the position to actually do something in the post season, the franchise decided to play for the future instead of strengthening the club that had just two months earlier had the best start in franchise history.
The Rangers lured Bruce Bochy out of retirement to manage the team. Youβll never EVER see the Brewers doing something like that. That would require vision. They just settled, again, for the status quo.
When it was clear that we needed a bat, even someone coming off the begin, a front office move that would have signaled to the players βweβre behind you, and we believe in youβ, they did squat, and dealt the incredibly popular Hader. They essentially pulled the rug out from under everyone else. Is it any surprise the team missed the playoffs?
We were eliminated on the second to last day of the season. One or two more wins would have done it.
Think Bochy would have left Hader in to pitch to Mike Yastrzemski with the bases loaded, when eight of the last nine batters Hader had faced had reached, including three home runs (and two in that inning)?
5-2 lead headed into the ninth. Craig Counsell blew that game, and how many others, yet the front office, with the chance to drastically improve the team, without spending a fortune, did nothing. Again. And the Milwaukee media will never press Stearns about it. Nothing but softballs from them.
@MaximusHess posted:Amari Rodgers
5 career fumbles and 5 career reception, what a telling stat.
Guty your a genius.
The fact he is still on the team is criminal
@Boris posted:The fact he is still on the team is criminal
Our F.O. has shown real reticence to letting players go when doing so would essentially be an admission of a poor pick. How long did we keep Equanimeous St. Brown on the roster though he was essentially hurt all the time?
If we look only at the offensive skill position players drafted since 2018, itβs beyond ugly. MVS was the best of the bunch, and thatβs not saying much. Great YPC/YAC, but his hands make Willie Gault look like the second coming of Jerry Rice (sorry, Bear N Desert).
@Boris posted:The fact he is still on the team is criminal
He was drafted and didn't get to play because Rodgers wanted his buddy Cobb. Not sure what happened after that. He never seemed to get any opportunities on offense and was designated punt returner which he just isn't good at.
@Blair Kiel posted:That sentence could be used by most people here at X4. π
I resemble that remark.
G Marx
+ Watched first game this year with my Packer friend. Pick 6 was fun.
+ I didnβt expect a breakout get-right game so I wasnβt too surprised today.
+ New OL held up pretty well against a formidable defensive front.
- Hard to see how Pack can turn this around. Butβ¦the goal is to go 1-0 next week. Right?
@MichiganPacker posted:Jaire 53 games, 6 Ints, 90 yards, 0 TDs,Woodson 100 games, 38 Ints, 568 yards, 9 TDs
When you put these next to each other it's literally insane. Jaire could have 6x his current production in the next 50 games and he still wouldn't catch Wood.
@vitaflo posted:When you put these next to each other it's literally insane. Jaire could have 6x his current production in the next 50 games and he still wouldn't catch Wood.
Isn't there a pill for that?
@Harry Manback posted:The market was there, I live in Denver, it was well known. Once the deal was made to keep AR in GB, they offered the treasure chest to Seattle. Unfortunately for Denver, it looks like they got hosed.
Or maybe they hired the wrong guy to be HC.
@Tschmack posted:... If people thought Wisconsin v Ohio State was bad or Iowa v Ohio State was worse well GB v Buffalo could be historic. Has there ever been a 65-3 score in the NFL? Thereβs a first time for everything.
Every time I think of lopsided scores, I always remember a story about the 1940 Championship.
The Bores beat the (then) Redskins 73-0. Early in the game, a Redskins receiver dropped a pass that would have tied the game at 7-7.
A reporter asked Redskins QB Sammy Baugh if he thought the game may have turned out differently if that pass had been caught. He said, "Yep... it would've been 73-7".
But I did have to look it up, and here are the results.
@GBFanForLife posted:For what it's worth Tony Dungy said the same at halftime of SNF.
He said your take was the stupidest take ever?
or
He said we should reward more receivers for running the wrong routes
or
He said Rodgers should start to anticipate receivers running the wrong routes and lean into it. A true moron offense.
@GBFanForLife posted:That Rodgers is a big part of the problem. Said he should have seen Watkins on the 4th down to Doubs and showed another play where Rodgers threw a short low ball when Watkins was wide open down the sideline the same side of the field.
Iβm wondering if Rodgers isnβt changing run plays to pass plays often. In the Jets game - 3 & 1 and 4 & 1 both pass plays and yesterday 4 & 1 pass play. With the run/pass ratio mentioned, I think Rodgers has usurped the game plan and the coach.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:He said your take was the stupidest take ever?
or
He said we should reward more receivers for running the wrong routes
or
He said Rodgers should start to anticipate receivers running the wrong routes and lean into it. A true moron offense.
So your saying the receivers never adjust their routes based on coverage. Got it. Learn something new everyday on this fine forum.
@PA green & gold posted:Iβm wondering if Rodgers isnβt changing run plays to pass plays often. In the Jets game - 3 & 1 and 4 & 1 both pass plays and yesterday 4 & 1 pass play. With the run/pass ratio mentioned, I think Rodgers has usurped the game plan and the coach.
Same thing happened with MM. Every week he said they needed to run the ball more often. Every weekβs game was pass heavy.
Coincidence?
Love or hate it, Green Bay decided to invest in 12 when they gave him a massive contract. The only thing to do now is conduct a trade or two before the deadline to bring in offensive talent. This shit ainβt overβ¦ and pissing down your leg on a forum isnβt going to help matters. You want to boast about how you didnβt waste any time watching the Packers on Sunday? Good for youβ¦ now GFY in front of the TV watching the Bucks and leave football to the grown ups.
Go Pack!
@GBFanForLife posted:So your saying the receivers never adjust their routes based on coverage. Got it. Learn something new everyday on this fine forum.
Is that what you are arguing happened on a quick timing play designed to get one yard
I've been up all night analyzing old game film in my basement and think I have the reciever problem all figured out. We should call in Taco Wallace, Alligator Arms, and make Rasul play both ways like he did in pop Warner.
Or overpay for Claypool and Moore.
Or sell and hope for a high draft pick that we can't possibly screw up~
Or do what we do and get a high draft pick we can't possibly screw up but with less chances of drafting more Amari's in later rounds.
Which option would you guys and gals like me to peddle onto Gute? I'm having lunch with him later this week, I think. I mean, I'm already starting to bond with his security personnel. It's only a matter of time before they let me in to see him.
They would be best to not be buyers at this point. A good WR will cost them at least a 2 and if they continue to suck that 2nd rounder could end up being a decent pick next year.
@GBFanForLife posted:So your saying the receivers never adjust their routes based on coverage. Got it. Learn something new everyday on this fine forum.
It sure looked like Watkins was supposed to block for Doubs on that play and if he would have it's likely a first down.