Cut 22

Hungry, I'm with you except for Richardson. He's had a great camp. Lays the wood. Gets turnovers. 

 

I was talking to someone last night and we both felt Richardson starts sometime this season. Banjo would go first I think.

Starts?  Honky please.

WR Alex Gillett (PS)

WR Kevin Dorsey

WR Myles White

RB Michael Hill

RB Rajion Neal

RB Ladarius Perkins (PS)

CB Demetri Goodson (PS)

S Tanner Miller

CB Ryan White

LB Jake Doughty

LB Joe Thomas (PS)

LB Adrian Hubbard

LB Carl Bradford

LB Andy Mulumba

OL Jeremy Vujnovich

OL Jordan McCray

OL Andrew Tiller (PS)

OL Garth Gerhart  (PS)

OL Aaron Adams

OL John Fullington

TE Justin Perillo

DL Luther Robinson

Here's this guys take:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/...dicts-160703950.html

 

 

So is it unfeasible or even illegal for ROTTT to cut Flynn or Tolzien and have a gentleman's agreement that if the need arises, the Packers will come calling so just sit tight?  Just because they are a free agent after getting cut they don't have to sign with anyone they don't want to, correct?  Or is there a waiver process that they could get picked up?

Burnett has another year like last year and we have an injury, yes starts sometime. He's had a great camp. I'd trust him in a game easy.

This guy has Thornton getting cut and not making the practice squad.  While I get that Thornton hasn't shown much of anything, I just don't see TT cutting a 3rd round pick after one training camp.  Third round picks just aren't cut after one training camp and TT's track record says he'll give Thornton some time.  Thornton is exactly what the scouting reports said, a d-lineman with good size and a good first step who lacks a variety of pass rush moves and struggles to locate the ball and make a play.  Unless TT just completely screwed up his scouting report on Thornton, he'll be on the roster.  

I'm still trying to figure out how that's a good scouting report.  It's like a newer version of Jerel Worthy.

Right? Ridiculous how he has Lacy and Arod getting cut.

Good post CUPackfan and its unfortunate that after all these years of draft & develop some fans and media still don't get it. Thornton, like many players is drafted one year in advance of when they need him. Raji is on a 1- year deal and would have either: played well and been re-signed or not played well and dumped.

TT wanted to have options and sometimes those options need time to develop. The injury to Raji moved up the timetable, but the strategy is sound. GB wanted a year with the new kid before they had to make the Raji decision

 

Those that advocate for dumping Thornton based on a 2 month development are just willfully ignorant of what's been going on in GB since 2005. I have no patience for those unwilling or incapable of understanding the basics of how this team operates - there's a plethora of info available for those willing to apply even a small amount of effort to learn.

 

We're going on a decade now and anybody still spewing dumdum comments about draft pick busts 2 months into their career is just willfully stupid.

 

I'm willfully stupid on this one.  This guy is a MAJOR project.

Yes he is and the people who drafted him knew that

What can we learn from that ?

Great post, Satan.

I agree with you to a point.

But who have we really developed in the past several years?

 

Mike Neal maybe, Jarret Bush? Brad Jones?

 

Guys like Tramon Williams and Sam Shields showed instant spark and ability and were coached up, but who has looked looked poor as a rookie and then turned it around?

 

Our ILBs are still AJ Hawk and Brad Jones....year after year.

 

We had to go out and get a FA to compliment CMIII because everybody we drafted couldn't do it.

 

Our brightest spark on the DL last year was because we waited until Jolly was eligible to play again. Nobody in the meantime was any better than an old Jolly and an ancient Pickett.

hasn't been good in 3 preseason games. means he'll never be good.

Aaron Rodgers is a pretty good example of a guy who was developed.  He turned out pretty well.  Remember how bad he looked as a rookie and even in his second year/MM's first?

 

Start there.

Good point, but hardly a trend.

 

AR is something special IMO. There is a nature vs nurture argument that could be made with him.

I think Thornton has shown about as much at this point as Jermichael Finley did in his first camp. That's why Finley barely saw the field as a rookie. I think we have seen so many rookies step in immediately and learn on the job the last few years that it seems weird to have a rookie who might make a minimal contribution. Some players it just takes longer for it to click. Thornton showed flashes of exceptional legit talent at Southern Miss and it make some time for that talent to be fully realized. 

 

EDIT: Rodgers is a good example. I think it took Nick Collins some time to adjust also. TJ Lang had a couple of rough years before he finally got to settle on a position. 

Really?  I know you tried to poo-poo Shields and Tramon, but every damn team in the league had chances to add those guys and no one but GB did.  And I don't know what to tell you if you don't think they're better now than they were as rookies.  Shields was given very limited assignments that year because he was so raw.  Tramon barely saw the field.  

 

Remember how much of a whipping boy Nick Collins was as a rookie?  He turned out pretty well.  As GD pointed out, Finley is another good example.  Jordy wasn't terrible as a rookie, but he was a spare part.  They seem to have developed him pretty well.  Examples are all over the place if you look.

I think they are better. But I think they showed something early on that guys like Worthy, Perry and Thorton haven't.

Draft and develop = pick guys in volume.  Logic dictates that some of them are not going to work out.  The same bust risk applies to FAs.

 

Would you rather have draft picks/UDFAs bust or high-dollar FA signings?  Joe Johnson/Clete Hunt contributed to killing the cap.  Worthy and Harrell did not.

 

Disagree on Perry.  He's shown flashes, he's just hurt all the time and there are questions about his noggin.  He's clearly got a lot of raw tallant.

How about Nick Collins, James Jones, Greg Jennings, Sam Shields, etc.  None of these guys were pro-bowlers their first few years in the league.  They were drafted (many from small schools) or UNDRAFTED and developed.

 

An interesting point I heard last night, was that many guys who are drafted that didn't play in bowl games (smaller schools), are way behind in development, since they don't have an extra month+ of practice at the college level to get ready for the bowl games.  You multiply that out by 3-4 years (of bowls games/extra practice time), and your talking about some guys having as much as an extra 1/2 season of experience compared to the non-bowl/small school draft picks.    

Thank you kind sir

 

What we can learn from this is that Khyri possesses some traits of a good DL/ very good DL

He also is raw & needs training and has shortcomings.

 

What we can learn is that the Packers multi-million dollar scouting and coaching organization feel its a worthwhile risk to take for the reward it may reap

 

There are no guarantees, and Khyri may or may not work out. But what we do know is that there is enough there to warrant the investment of a late 3rd round pick. That we fans don't see it yet is irrelevant and a testament to how little we know. These guys are exceptional at their jobs and you have a perennial Super Bowl contender despite the never- ending Tsunami of injuries.... WTF more can you ask for ?

 

 The more I learn about this stuff the more I realize how very little I/we know and how totally unqualified I/we are to spout our opinions as "facts and truths" here or anywhere else

 

Doesn't mean people can't offer opinions, its why we are all here. 

 

Boykin, Lang, House, Barrington, Boyd, Hyde. Plenty of examples on the roster.  

Donald Driver also developed quite well after a couple years but he was a 7th round pick.  I think TT's disappointed in Thornton's play so far.  3rd round picks aren't usually "project" picks. Maybe he's homesick.

This is the key. Agree 100%.

 

My point is we don't have 90% of turning turds into AR and Nick Collins. The failure rate is rather high as I pointed out with our DL and LB issues. So therefore when we see someone who looks bad we shouldn't be chastised for pointing it out. The guys who turn into Sam Shields and Nick Collins showed more early promise than some of the whipping boys being complained about.

 

I do agree with Satan that is it way too early to give up on a 3rd round pick.

 

People make mistakes.  

The Vikings have never won a Super Bowl?

You can't call Khyri Thornton a turd after 1 month of TC/preseason though. That's a waste of a perfectly talented player. This was Jerel Worthy's 3rd year and he has put more time in on the trainer's table than he has on the field in the regular season...and even when he did play in the regular season he looked terrible. We haven't seen Thornton do anything yet, bad or good. 

1.  How many guys are AR or Nick Collins?  Just the fact that those two were developed pretty much cinches the argument that GB is pretty good at what it does.  All the other examples are also valid, even if they were not a HOF-level QB and an All-Pro safety.

 

2. Show me a team, any team, that turns 90 percent of the players it acquires into stars.  There isn't one.  If there was, that team would never lose a game.  That's not a valid barometer for measuring the approach.  

I think we can all agree that draft and developing has worked well for the Packers, and for the most part, many positions have benefited from the strategy.  The LB/DL positions, might have benefited had it not been for injuries?  Who knows what the LB's would look like with Dez Bishop still running around or Johnny Jolly or (dare I say) Worthy (he played well before his injuries).  The fact is those positions have encountered some injuries to players who were on a positive trend line of developing and continuing success at those positions.  

 

You can call him a question mark as a 3rd rounder considering he didn't perform like Worthy in college.  

 

I love draft and develop but he's looking like another Big Ern, taking 4 years to get to average.  That guy just looks completely lost.  You win some, you lose some.  Considering where he was drafted and the need due to Worthy sucking ass and Raji getting hurt it doesn't look good.  Another roster spot by default.  

 

It happens, doesn't make Thorton a better player than he is.

For starters, your favorite player. YOTTO!

Ok, I give. Who's Big Ern and why do you call him that Hank?

Rolle and/or Richardson in a trade for OL/DL depth?

 

Wonder if Teddy will dangle either.

 

I seriously doubt Rolle will last on a PS. Some team will snatch him up in a flash (and yes, the Vikings come to mind)

 

He's a question mark in August of 2014 but that's not cause for alarm

 

Your buddy Big Ern was undrafted because he did not possess some/any traits of a very good OL. He's a dime a dozen. He eventually became serviceable, but that's proof that the draft guys got one right - you don't invest a draft pick in a guy with a low ceiling.

You invest them in guys with a high one and Thornton's ceiling is much higher than fans surmise in August of 2014.

Big guys who can move are harder to find than lardasses who just can't.

Thornton can move and that's one of the reasons team(s) liked him. 

Lost in todays Thornton discussion is was'nt he "carted" off the field with a hammy towards the end of the 2nd qtr last night? Could of swore I read that this morning, some other young guys injurred as well. So, depending on severity to Thornton's hamstring TT's decision could already be made. IR for the year or IR with injury settlement. Same for Hubbard, Aron Adams  (OL) and Palmer who were injured in yesterdays game.

 

EDS, because he's a pro bowler.  

 

He was my favorite physical specimen, not my favorite player.

 

"I think we can all agree that draft and developing has worked well for the Packers, and for the most part, many positions have benefited from the strategy. "

 

Agree. A now healthy Sherrod, Datone Jones and maybe even Perry will be a great test for the system. Since they all warranted 1st round picks there should be plenty of potential that could be developed there. And at this point I don't know anybody who expects anything out of these 3, which is a sad statement, so there is a chance for the D&D system to show its stuff.