The Packers three most recent first round draft picks are all on IR.
Good thing they snagged a couple guys (Hayward, Cobb) who also could've been first rounders.
Interesting, but inaccurate in many ways. It names Green Bay's starters with two recent first-round tackles on IR. The Giants drafted William Beatty high at OT and the Patriots also spent a recent first on a LT, as have the Falcons and Ravens.
The addage has been that you can generally find guards late but you have to spend a good pick on a blind-side protector.
The addage has been that you can generally find guards late but you have to spend a good pick on a blind-side protector.
Actually the article says that:
quote:As the AFC scout said, "The philosophy I was brought in with was that, with the exception of the left tackle, we don't want to take linemen in the first three or four rounds."
And that's when the offensive line coach becomes key. This assistant must be able to both blend players together in a spot that demands cohesion and also develop young guys in an age when personnel folks are often taught that draft capital need not be spent on the O-line. As the AFC scout said, "The philosophy I was brought in with was that, with the exception of the left tackle, we don't want to take linemen in the first three or four rounds."
So having someone like New England's Dante Scarnecchia, who was once resourceful enough to develop college wrestler Stephen Neal into a bedrock guard, can be huge. In fact, that ability to adapt and adjust up front has almost become a requirement in the salary-capped
I have never been a fan of Campen. At best, and I'm being gracious, he is average.
When TT was drafting tweeners converting from TE or light in the pants LTs, it was a disaster.
Only when TT started drafting guys with 4 years of solid college performance on the oline did things improve. Guys like Sitton and Lang were solid ballers. Now, when the adjustment needs to be made they can't adapt. This isn't just the ****ing embarrassment of a game last week. It started with the Lions.
Before every idiot starts yapping about how good those defenses are realize "who gives a schit"? Wins and loses don't come with caveats and the kind of performance against the Giants was so utterly ridiculous you can't for a second tell me Campen is remotely capable of adjusting to injury or player slumps.
They didn't just lose, they were ****ing humiliated. And yes, a share of that blame does go to Rodgers but the consistent theme over the past few years is under performing oline.
So having someone like New England's Dante Scarnecchia, who was once resourceful enough to develop college wrestler Stephen Neal into a bedrock guard, can be huge. In fact, that ability to adapt and adjust up front has almost become a requirement in the salary-capped
I have never been a fan of Campen. At best, and I'm being gracious, he is average.
When TT was drafting tweeners converting from TE or light in the pants LTs, it was a disaster.
Only when TT started drafting guys with 4 years of solid college performance on the oline did things improve. Guys like Sitton and Lang were solid ballers. Now, when the adjustment needs to be made they can't adapt. This isn't just the ****ing embarrassment of a game last week. It started with the Lions.
Before every idiot starts yapping about how good those defenses are realize "who gives a schit"? Wins and loses don't come with caveats and the kind of performance against the Giants was so utterly ridiculous you can't for a second tell me Campen is remotely capable of adjusting to injury or player slumps.
They didn't just lose, they were ****ing humiliated. And yes, a share of that blame does go to Rodgers but the consistent theme over the past few years is under performing oline.
I'm waiting for da bares to trade-up in the 1st round for a franchise LT... and then sign a left-handed QB...
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Actually the article says that:
quote:As the AFC scout said, "The philosophy I was brought in with was that, with the exception of the left tackle, we don't want to take linemen in the first three or four rounds."
The scout said that, but the writer seemed to be saying that the teams hadn't spent high picks when they had when presenting things like the Packers starting O-line with Bulaga and Sherrod out.
I would also add that the Steelers have added some high picks to their oline as well.
The general point is for both salary cap reasons and playing styles good teams can make due with 1 or 2 high picks and supplement with lower picks/UDFAs. Of course, that all being incumbent on HAVING A ****ING OLINE COACH THAT ISN'T WORTHLESS.
The general point is for both salary cap reasons and playing styles good teams can make due with 1 or 2 high picks and supplement with lower picks/UDFAs. Of course, that all being incumbent on HAVING A ****ING OLINE COACH THAT ISN'T WORTHLESS.
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#Packers at least looking at vet O-linemen. In for tryout Tues was G-T Ray Feinga (6-4, 320), cut by Miami 9-26. On Fish 53 part of '10, '11
#Packers at least looking at vet O-linemen. In for tryout Tues was G-T Ray Feinga (6-4, 320), cut by Miami 9-26. On Fish 53 part of '10, '11
As I mentioned earlier, I wonder why they didn't take a look at C/G Andre Gurode.
Because the Bears thought he was good enough for their standards.
TT has to fix the o-line this offseason. The Pack has the best QB in the league in his prime. Gotta keep him on his feet. Get another pass rusher too.
quote:Originally posted by Tequila_Monster:
TT has to fix the o-line this offseason. The Pack has the best QB in the league in his prime. Gotta keep him on his feet. Get another pass rusher too.
How do you expect to do that when we draft at #32?
It a shame the Packers have had some many injuries, it might of ruined a Super bowl year, got win them when the window is open.
For the rest of this year the Packers coaches will have problems fixing the Packers Offensive Line. For next year fixing the line will not be such a drastic problem, and that is a good thing because many teams will be desperate for O-line men this coming up season.
The Packers will have to rethink Saturday at center, start EDS, or rent a veteran for a year. From the mix of Bulaga, Newhouse, and Sherrod the Packers should have at least 2 OK Tackles. I would think the Packers would also draft a right tackle type a little latter in the draft just to be sure.
For the rest of this year the Packers coaches will have problems fixing the Packers Offensive Line. For next year fixing the line will not be such a drastic problem, and that is a good thing because many teams will be desperate for O-line men this coming up season.
The Packers will have to rethink Saturday at center, start EDS, or rent a veteran for a year. From the mix of Bulaga, Newhouse, and Sherrod the Packers should have at least 2 OK Tackles. I would think the Packers would also draft a right tackle type a little latter in the draft just to be sure.
I don't want either Saturday or EDS at center next season. Need a more talented player at such an important position.
Where's Larry McCarren when you need him?!
Draft Jon Cooper. He'll be better than Barrett and most likely be available when it's our turn to pick.
Is not taking a center with a first a bit of a waste? MM has said he will not start a rookie center, that suggest any center the Packers draft will sit at least a year.
It would be nice if Ted can work his board and take impact players at impact positions early in the draft.
It would be cool if Ted found one or two of these, a good RB, Wide receiver, TE, Left Tackle, pass rushing D-linemen with his first couple of picks
It would be nice if Ted can work his board and take impact players at impact positions early in the draft.
It would be cool if Ted found one or two of these, a good RB, Wide receiver, TE, Left Tackle, pass rushing D-linemen with his first couple of picks
Assuming our two first round picks at offensive tackle are slated to come back next year healthy (Bulaga, Sherrod) I don't see Thompson using another first round pick on the o-line. He isn't going to use a first rounder as a backup. However, since the draft is supposed to be fairly deep on the offensive line, I suspect he will draft a guard/center and a tackle for depth.
What we really need is a quality, everydown running back drafted high. Getting guys off the scrap heap, or deep on other teams depth chart, isn't working. Of our current backs, Green isn't a down in/out back, Kuhn is no threat, and Starks can't stay healthy for 16 games.
We can't make teams move off the two deep because we don't have a consistent threat at running back. Get a quality back, who doesn't need a huge hole to simply make 4 yards, and we can change that dynamic.
What we really need is a quality, everydown running back drafted high. Getting guys off the scrap heap, or deep on other teams depth chart, isn't working. Of our current backs, Green isn't a down in/out back, Kuhn is no threat, and Starks can't stay healthy for 16 games.
We can't make teams move off the two deep because we don't have a consistent threat at running back. Get a quality back, who doesn't need a huge hole to simply make 4 yards, and we can change that dynamic.
chicken, egg.
A center on the first day isn't unrealistic. The rest you keep looking for 7th rounder/UDFA for depth. If EDS develops, great, at least he has competition.
A center on the first day isn't unrealistic. The rest you keep looking for 7th rounder/UDFA for depth. If EDS develops, great, at least he has competition.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
thoughts....
Meathead is out of work I believe.
As is Howard Mudd.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Meathead is out of work I believe.
As he should be.
Tice as O-Line coach wouldn't bother me one bit. Howard Mudd sounds excellent too
We just gotta get better in our O-Line! I believe the talent is there.
We just gotta get better in our O-Line! I believe the talent is there.
If he was so good the Bears offensive line wouldn't have sucked so bad and besides that, he just doesn't look intelligent.He sucked when he coached the vikings and TBSS.
You'd think Tice would love to be here and actually have some talent to work with.
I think Mudd is done for good.
When he was hired it was the defensive line coach Jim Washburn that helped talk him out of his previous two year retirement
I'd guess based on MM's presser today it's on to another year of Campen. Mike Lombardi noted that filling the offensive line coach position is one of the hardest to accomplish because there are so few guys that are excellent at it. There's a bunch of average guys and then a very elite few who are rarely available.
I think Mudd is done for good.
quote:Howard Mudd acknowledged to the Daily News Thursday what most people had already suspected â heâs calling it quits after the season.
``I decided quite a while ago,ââ the 71-year-old Mudd said. ``I gotta go be a grandpa. That was the plan two years ago and Andy talked me out of it. But this time, itâs going to be permanent.
``I told my wife last night, I really like coaching. But itâs time.ââ philly.com
When he was hired it was the defensive line coach Jim Washburn that helped talk him out of his previous two year retirement
quote:Remember the giddy sense of triumph that attended the hiring of Washburn and Mudd? Across the league, bringing in such experienced, renowned teachers was hailed as a coup. Mudd was the guy who'd kept Peyton Manning upright, all the way to a Super Bowl win. Washburn, his equally irascible motorcycle-riding buddy, had created Pro Bowl sack monsters out of ordinary players such as Kyle Vanden Bosch and Jason Babin.
...Equally alarming, as we've noted before, was the way Mudd's ideas about the kind of offensive lineman he needed led to the jettisoning of several functional backups
And after the disappointing postlockout 2011 season, it was really surprising to ask where Mudd was during spring work and be told that the o-line coach didn't need to attend minicamps, at age 70, he would show up when he was ready. That's the kind of thing maybe you allow coming off a Super Bowl win, not when you've just clocked a season the owner called "unacceptable."
A pair of former Eagles noted Monday how the Washburn-Mudd style, Washburn most emphatically, went against everything Reid taught in his first decade with the Eagles. But despite the success of that first decade, Reid hadn't won a Super Bowl, so a little less than 2 years ago, he tried something really, really different, something not true to who Reid was or the atmosphere he'd fostered. We see the results. philly.com
I'd guess based on MM's presser today it's on to another year of Campen. Mike Lombardi noted that filling the offensive line coach position is one of the hardest to accomplish because there are so few guys that are excellent at it. There's a bunch of average guys and then a very elite few who are rarely available.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife: He sucked when he coached the vikings and TBSS.
There are many in the media up here who think he got a raw deal and actually overachieved as a head coach. He had the least amount of assistant coaches in the league and McCombs was in selling mode and basically shut off the heat and AC in Winter Park. He may seem like a meathead but I actually think he's a decent coach and would love him as the OL coach.
I would take Hipster Doofus Meathead as OL coach in a second.