Brewers pitching is horrible right now.
Wheels coming off now...
Cheezers posted:MadBum and Will Smith from the Giants for .......???????
Mike Daniels and Kenny Clark.
This is getting painful.
Yelichâs home/road splits are ridiculous. Heâs good on the road, not great. But hs been an absolute monster at Miller Park.
Iâm glad someone mentioned the numbers on Yelich. Not sure Iâve seen a Brewers player in my lifetime that has done what heâs been doing over the last season or so. Not Yount, not Molitor, not Braun, not Fielder. Heâs doing it all.
As for the pitching, they have banked on certain guys like Anderson, Nelson, Davies, and the 3 young guys. So far, only Woodruff and Davies have come through. Burnes is a hot mess and needs to go back to AAA to figure things out. Iâd like to think Nelson can work out the kinks but much like Chase Anderson heâs really only had one good year. He may never return to pre-injury form.
If the Brewers want to stay in this thing Steams will need to make some moves. The concern I have is itâs not just one guy they need multiple players like another starter (or two) and at least one more reliever (or two).
It's baseball, and its June. Lots of Championship winning teams have their skids along the way.
I agree with you Tschmack, those are the two spots they need filled at the trade deadline. Hiura has to be brought back up asap. We can't be counting on Yelich solely, and Shaw has not produced. Stearns should send him back today.
I can't argue Stearns' leveled approach this year. He didn't blow a wad on a starter nor a reliever in FA, waiting to see if what they had planned within the team panned out. Now, if they really are all-in, (and why wouldn't they be? This is their window, now!) they will add an ace and a quality closer to help share the load in trade. I think it will happen. Should be cool to see how he goes about making that happen. Pitching wins championships.
Brewer Offense made a gallant effort, but once again the pitching is laughably bad. Brewer pitching hit 4 Cinci batters and walked 6 on top of Corbin Burnes adding his usual mental breakdown. Just brutal right now.
And its not like they're playing the Dodgers....Cinci, San Diego, and San Fran are not murders row on offense. Thankfully the division is log-jammed at this point.
Shaw hearing some BOO-Birds last 2 games.
Yeah. Difficult to take, but, I think they will work through this well once we bring better arms in and ditch unproductive players.
Why not bring up Trey Supak, and Hiura right now?
Will see if Stearns can work out a trade a good bit before the deadline, but I have my doubts. He will make trades for the pitching help we need. The sooner the better. In the meantime, he might benefit from calling both players up, and sending some down or out the door. Supak could be a gem pitcher already cued up to be somebody.
Walker Buehler for the Dodgers had a total of 88 2/3 innings in the minor leagues before he was called up end of 2016 season at 23 years old. Stearns could give some of our young pitchers an opportunity. Might discover a gem.
Trey Supak, 6-5 240 RHP is 8-2 with a 1.91 ERA - and he's batting .235, better than both Jesus and Shaw..., and Supak is 23 years old. David Stearns should make the call up on this player. What's he waiting for?
PackLandVA posted:Yelichâs home/road splits are ridiculous. Heâs good on the road, not great. But hs been an absolute monster at Miller Park.
It's not like he's not very good on the road. He's played 39 games on the road this year. If you extrapolate that out to a full season (basically multiply by 4), he's on a 162 game pace for 32 HRs, 80 RBIs, and an OPS of .914.
At home he's played 30 games. If you multiply his stats by 5.3 to get a 162 game pace, he'd go for 245 hits, 124 walks, 112 HRs, 222 RBIs, and an OPS of 1.613.
Kid got family in 20 person game suite! very nice. Yelich, Moose, and Grandal are amazing. Arcia right behind them. I like Shaw but it may be time.
Davies and Woodruff are holding starters from full implosion. Anderson is beyond sell by date. Chacin playing for a contract should find last year's gear or he will suffer financially. Nelson needs a 10 day rest to clear everything. Gio hopefully is ready.
Maybe give Burnes a start and let him know it's now or triple A for season. Peralta too green to give a starter spot too. May have best stuff when on just to volatile! Houser really solid last 2-3 weeks. Interesting.
MichiganPacker2 posted:PackLandVA posted:Yelichâs home/road splits are ridiculous. Heâs good on the road, not great. But hs been an absolute monster at Miller Park.
It's not like he's not very good on the road. He's played 39 games on the road this year. If you extrapolate that out to a full season (basically multiply by 4), he's on a 162 game pace for 32 HRs, 80 RBIs, and an OPS of .914.
At home he's played 30 games. If you multiply his stats by 5.3 to get a 162 game pace, he'd go for 245 hits, 124 walks, 112 HRs, 222 RBIs, and an OPS of 1.613.
So kinda like I said - good, but not great. Especially compared to his home numbers. Which was the point of my post.
Brewers pitching is horrible right now. Can't keep falling behind. 
PackLandVA posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:PackLandVA posted:Yelichâs home/road splits are ridiculous. Heâs good on the road, not great. But hs been an absolute monster at Miller Park.
It's not like he's not very good on the road. He's played 39 games on the road this year. If you extrapolate that out to a full season (basically multiply by 4), he's on a 162 game pace for 32 HRs, 80 RBIs, and an OPS of .914.
At home he's played 30 games. If you multiply his stats by 5.3 to get a 162 game pace, he'd go for 245 hits, 124 walks, 112 HRs, 222 RBIs, and an OPS of 1.613.
So kinda like I said - good, but not great. Especially compared to his home numbers. Which was the point of my post.
I was amplifying your post, not arguing with it.
Chacin was great last year but is not that pitcher this year. Put up or bullpen.
Aaron Wilkerson recalled from San Antonio, Burnes sent back down. Nelson sent to the bullpen.
ammo posted:Aaron Wilkerson recalled from San Antonio, Burnes sent back down. Nelson sent to the bullpen.
Yay! Finally, some action. Thinking Gio coming back will be cool. Seriously didn't take one look at standings over losing streak, and we're 1/2 game out of 1st Place? Whoah.
The Brewers shockingly are not in a bad spot. But the pitching must be upgraded. Deal for MadBum ASAP. I have no doubt about the effect a move like that would have on the whole staff. Once considered one of the best in the game, maybe he is still. But you get a guy like that and everyone steps up their game.
Make. The. Deal.
In case you didn't notice Sogard yard for the 8th time while You Jesus Believers 5
I think a lot of people are trying to trade for 2016 MadBum
Boyd, a 28 year old left-hander, debuted back in 2015 but had accrued only 2.136 years of service entering this season, meaning that heâll be under team control for another three seasons after the conclusion of 2019. Heâs earning $2.6 mil this season as a Super Two player. He produced only a 5.07 ERA in 460.0 innings from 2015-18, but has ascended to top-of-the-rotation status during a breakout year for the rebuilding Tigers. In 15 starts and 88.2 innings, Boyd has tallied a 3.35 ERA and racked up 112 strikeouts against a mere 17 free passes. FIP- (65) sees him as 35% more effective than the league-average pitcher, while DRA- (56) views his work as 44% better than average.
We all love Keston here, so to make this kind of move: Dubon, Ray, Lutz (no problem moving any of them) just to get started. But that hardly gets things started. Do you add Turang (this one would hurt). Do you add in Trey Supak or Adrian Houser? Zach Brown or Drew Rasmussen?
The Crew is 42-36. Last year at this time they were 45-31. How much future are you willing to give up?
Bumgarner is a relatively buy low guy. I donât think SF is going to get a Kingâs ransom at this stage.
Heâs completed 6 innings in 14 of his 16 starts, and allowed 3 runs or less in 11 games.
Heâs an upgrade. And heâs 29 with big post season experience. Maybe playing for a contender sparks some of the old dude.
Iâd hate to send Houser...he seems to have âitâ.
1/2 game out of first...they picked a great time to have a shitty stretch.
No need to panic but the future starts tomorrow.
No- keep Houser- definitely has a future.
Need to find some pitchers that can get to the 6th/7th. This crew has had 3 months to figure it out and they havenât.
Giants will ask for a kingâs ransom....and probably get it.
I have to believe at minimum, either Peralta, Houser, or Burnes would need to be in a package for Boyd. I sure wish the Brewers farm system was littered with top prospects so losing guys like those 3 wouldn't sting but they really don't have a ton of top guys as trade bait.
I suspect every team the Brewers are dealing with wants Hiura and man would that be a killer for the future to lose that guy. I have to believe he's untouchable unless it's for someone they think is equally as impressive.
You cannot trade Hiura under any circumstances. Well, not unless Washington called and said they would deal us Max Scherzer.
Boyd is very intriguing but his team friendly contract will make him very expensive.
Bumgartner or Stroman would seem to make more sense for the Brewers. Iâd be hesitant to deal Turang as I think he has a bright future. But you have to be willing to give something to get something. Houser, Ray, Dubon, Peralta, Burnes they are all expendable. Turang could be for the right move.
Keep in mind last year Burnes was viewed just as Houser is now. Neither guy has electric stuff like a Josh Hader. For the right price they could both go as far as Iâm concerned.
Music City posted:The Brewers shockingly are not in a bad spot. But the pitching must be upgraded. Deal for MadBum ASAP. I have no doubt about the effect a move like that would have on the whole staff. Once considered one of the best in the game, maybe he is still. But you get a guy like that and everyone steps up their game.
Make. The. Deal.
I tend to agree with this line of thinking. Our system isn't deep, and we could stand to add 2 pitchers, one starter, and one closer. MadBum is a rental, so he won't command the farm. The closer, whomever that might be, may command more.
I know Stearns is looking for more control and possibly a younger starter, but that might wipe out the farm completely. If he can get both MadBum and Smith from SF, I'd snap that in a heartbeat.
Agree Tshmackers. They gotta call Hiura up in, like, an hour! ****ing do it.
Music City posted:No- keep Houser- definitely has a future.
Need to find some pitchers that can get to the 6th/7th. This crew has had 3 months to figure it out and they havenât.
Music hits it right on the head.
The Brewers have 2 starting pitchers that look good from a W/L record - Woodruff and Davies. But right now, I think you can only really count on Woodruff to eat up innings and keep you in games. He's pitched at least 6 innings in 8 of his last 10 starts. Part of that may be that he's such a good hitter that CC is less likely to pinch hit for him in the middle innings.
Davies' record is still good mainly because of his start and the Brewers tend to score a lot of runs in his starts, but he's begun to really struggle the last 6 starts.
First 9 starts, 1.54 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
Last 6 starts, 5.76 ERA, 1.69 WHIP
The Brewers have 6 other guys that have started at least 3 games. Gonzalez has been good in his 3 starts, and Anderson has been passable (5-4 in his starts). The other 4 guys (Chacin, Peralta, Burnes, and Nelson) have not been good enough to keep them in games.
It would be nice to have a #1 (or even a #2) starter, but right now they just need a guy, like Music City says, that can get them into the 6th or 7th with only giving up 3 or 4 runs consistently. Get Gio back, keep Woodruff, Anderson, and Davies going and add a competent arm to the starting staff.
The starting pitching wasn't that much better last year. Woodruff/Davies are basically what Chacin was at last year. Anderson is similar. What saved them in 2018 was Wade Miley making 16 starts and pitching really well.
I can't believe we let Miley walk. Really. That was a miscue. His Ks are up, but, he's giving up a bunch of HRs too compared to last year. 6-4 through 16 starts compared to 5-2 last year in 16 starts. ERA 3.51 compared to 2.57 last year. Still, I think he might have done better this year staying with the Crew.
Hot take
Mauricio Dubon is crushing it, and unless his trade value return brings home and seals a championship somehow, the #Brewers will regret moving him for years & years. Tread carefully, Mr. Stearns. Dubon-Hiura tandem for the next decade seems fine to me. Flip Arcia this offseason.
â Jim Goulart (@Mass_Haas) June 26, 2019
Hiura back up, Shaw down to AAA. Perez designated for assignment according MLB trade rumors.
Perez had 4 good months and 8 mediocre months for the Brewers.
It was time.
Fan****ingtastic!
About ****ing time...
Jeffress has been bad 3 of the last 4 outings now.
Just so disappointing... smdh
Tough loss. Guerra and Jeffress are shaky right now. Lost the game.
Arcia wins the game last night so he sits on the bench today while CC goes with Scrubadino(I don't really think that but I've had a few beers and wanted to see what it felt like to play Artist - fun).
Always a distraction with any roster shake up. They will get this dialed in, and we will have pitching help before too long. They should not have coughed that one up last night, but there it is.