Oh, that's so funny!
quote:Originally posted by Brak:
Not sure what that means, so I'll just agree.
Didn't know what you meant by it either. I do own my opinion about MM, that's basically what my post said. I think that it is reasonable for well-measured criticisms of the current management, coaching staff, and players by anyone at anytime without apology. If you want to start a thread asking people to apologize for egregious, shrill, and emotional posting that fine. I'm disappointed to see others apologize for ever doubting MM though. Why should they?
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
The intent of this thread was/is almost entirely directed at the 4/5/6 people who routinely only showed-up in game threads to spew doom and gloom, only to disappear when things go well. If I've helped chase them off, then yes, I'd like to pat myself on the back. I've got no qualm with anybody who questions MM or TT for that matter.
Bumping this post because I think it clarifies the intent of the thread.
Yeah, I missed the intent of the thread as well.
Nerve, your posts make sense to me.
Wide spectrum of support out there for MM.
Nerve, your posts make sense to me.
Wide spectrum of support out there for MM.
quote:Originally posted by The Nerve:quote:Originally posted by Brak:
Not sure what that means, so I'll just agree.
Didn't know what you meant by it either. I do own my opinion about MM, that's basically what my post said. I think that it is reasonable for well-measured criticisms of the current management, coaching staff, and players by anyone at anytime without apology. If you want to start a thread asking people to apologize for egregious, shrill, and emotional posting that fine. I'm disappointed to see others apologize for ever doubting MM though. Why should they?
Hell, I really don't care.
Let's go beat the Bears.
What do you mean by that?
quote:Originally posted by Pistol GB:quote:Originally posted by Brak:
Oh, that's so funny!
It wasn't meant to be.
What is it that you want? You want yourself to be declared the only "real" Packer fan, and everyone else, who is not so perfect, using Blair's words, to "now just go away?"
How do you expect Packer fans to react to that? It's presumptuous (as if you "know" their deep-rooted hatred for Mike McCarthy despite their assertions otherwise), and for lack of a better word, weird. It's over, but the obsession persists. That's weird.
Somehow, some way, you need to get over it. It's football, and it's fans, and fans are an imperfect. Except for you.
Thanks, counselor.
Now leave me be.
quote:Originally posted by Brak:
Hell, I really don't care.
Let's go beat the Bears.
Crap, this got posted while I was typing, and now I'm even more imperfect.
No I'm deleting it.
I suck.
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
BJ Raji as a lead blocker on short yardage isn't a change?
A lot of passing out of the inverted wishbone isn't a change from the telegraphed runs out of that formation?
Much less empty backfield in short yardage isn't a change?
BS
BS is right.
Raji as a lead blocker on a single play? Wow.
I don't know about a LOT of passing out of the inverted wishbone but they did pass some. How many times was it? How many times did they line up in that formation and not pass prior to last night?
Much less empty backfield in short yardage? Again, how much less? They went into a passing formation at least a few times in short yardage last night from what I recall, including inside the 10. Having Starks available now makes a standard formation in short yardage situations more viable. That's smart use of your available personnel.
I'm not convinced anything of substance has changed in the play calling. A new wrinkle here and there but new wrinkles have appeared throughout the season. Execute them properly and there is a good chance they will work. I put most of the success or lack of success on the players.
I've made knee jerk reactions during games/after games. But, I never really give up on the Packers. I'm still there hoping and watching and pacing and everything else the next week.
But to answer the title of the thread, I am still pretty sad (a general description not a specific emotion)
I also give Mike McCarthy a lot of credit for getting the team ready to play each of the last four weeks
But to answer the title of the thread, I am still pretty sad (a general description not a specific emotion)
I also give Mike McCarthy a lot of credit for getting the team ready to play each of the last four weeks
quote:Originally posted by PackerHawk:
I put most of the success or lack of success on the players.
No! That cannot be! That would fly in the face of a TT is greater than MM thought process!
It has to be one or the other, you know.
quote:Originally posted by PackerHawk:quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
BJ Raji as a lead blocker on short yardage isn't a change?
A lot of passing out of the inverted wishbone isn't a change from the telegraphed runs out of that formation?
Much less empty backfield in short yardage isn't a change?
BS
BS is right.
Raji as a lead blocker on a single play? Wow.
I don't know about a LOT of passing out of the inverted wishbone but they did pass some. How many times was it? How many times did they line up in that formation and not pass prior to last night?
Much less empty backfield in short yardage? Again, how much less? They went into a passing formation at least a few times in short yardage last night from what I recall, including inside the 10. Having Starks available now makes a standard formation in short yardage situations more viable. That's smart use of your available personnel.
I'm not convinced anything of substance has changed in the play calling. A new wrinkle here and there but new wrinkles have appeared throughout the season. Execute them properly and there is a good chance they will work. I put most of the success or lack of success on the players.
I don't have to quantify anything for you.
You said the playcalling hadn't changed.
I said BS and listed several examples of new playcalls that worked.
Short yardage playcalling was much improved IMO.
Better playcalling AND better execution can lead to success, it doesn't have to be one or the other.
Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
quote:Originally posted by PackerHawk:
I don't know about a LOT of passing out of the inverted wishbone but they did pass some. How many times was it? How many times did they line up in that formation and not pass prior to last night?
In fact, IIRC, during the broadcast, Larry McCarren used the phrase "a large departure from from the norm" when he talked about the high number of passes coming from the inverted wishbone formation.
He was in fact noting a significant change in short yardage playcalling.
YOu have a future in politics.quote:Originally posted by:
Sorry. No patience for knee-jerkers.
Brakya is my hero.
Tammy Whynot and a boner.
Apologies to the board. Looking forward to a great week.
Apologies to the board. Looking forward to a great week.
Check out the Archive Thread "fire TT and MM" You can tell where posters stood. Lots of crow I guess.
That looks like the Tampa Bay game thread from last year. I think I knew better that to post in it, so I really can't comment on what other folks said.
I guess I lose my "Bestest Fan" nomination.
I guess I lose my "Bestest Fan" nomination.
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:quote:Originally posted by PackerHawk:
I don't know about a LOT of passing out of the inverted wishbone but they did pass some. How many times was it? How many times did they line up in that formation and not pass prior to last night?
In fact, IIRC, during the broadcast, Larry McCarren used the phrase "a large departure from from the norm" when he talked about the high number of passes coming from the inverted wishbone formation.
He was in fact noting a significant change in short yardage playcalling.
I'd still like to know what this "high number" of passes was. I know you aren't going to provide it and I really wasn't expecting you to when I asked the question. I'm thinking it was about 3 but that's just my going by my memory.
You and Larry see a large departure from the norm. I see the same philosophy that's been in use for a long time now with a new formation added from time to time going back to 2006. McCarthy didn't suddenly turn innovative this month. He has a huge playbook with tons of formations and variations of each one. Play calls only get you as far as the execution allows. Show me a properly executed play and I'll show you a jeenyus OC.
quote:Originally posted by Brak:
That looks like the Tampa Bay game thread from last year. I think I knew better that to post in it, so I really can't comment on what other folks said.
I guess I lose my "Bestest Fan" nomination.
I was at the OBGYN with my wife several years ago (too much information, I know) making sure that our first son was, well, still going to be our first son. We were in the waiting room. I had my computer with me and that's when the news came out that TT had just hired MM as the Packer's new coach. I remember saying, "who?" My wife said, "what?" I said, "never mind."
After much googling on MM I was shaking my head, but I trusted TT so I was on board. I'll admit that after the Tampa game last year I thought that maybe it was time to run out the rest of the season and make a change. But they finished strong and that game was the one time when I questioned MM as the Packer's coach.
It's been a helluva ride this year, and hopefully they can win two more games. No matter what happens with the rest of this season, I think MM has done an amazing job with this team, and I agree with Aikman.....he should be coach of the year.
So Blair wasn't even a little discouraged after the 2nd Lions game? Some days, you eat the bear and some days, the bear eats you. And some days, you get to know that you can eat the bear.
quote:So Blair wasn't even a little discouraged after the 2nd Lions game? Some days, you eat the bear and some days, the bear eats you. And some days, you get to know that you can eat the bear.
After the Lion's game I said this
quote:Two weeks ago we were one of the best and took Atlanta to the wire, but the running game was really exposed. We looked sloppy or tired against SF, and horrible vs the Lions
We had potential to be top 2 or 3 in the NFC, but the injuries have taken their toll. Matthews does not look as fresh. There is no Barnett, Chillar ...anyone to rotate in. I think Woodson has lost a step too. Losing Finley was huge to the offense.
So - correct we are not a playoff team at present. They may regroup though It would be awful to see them quit as the Bears are very suspect and if we get into the playoffs there is hope.
I also lost it briefly on Jones in he heat of the game after his drop, but defended him the week before.
Additionally, I yelled at my dog for begging this morning. I ran out of cookies that we were eating in bed and she followed me to the pantry, and then she watched me eat toast. I was upset cuz she just keeps following me around like I'm a food source. I said, no begging! Stay Lucky Stay! No dicipline at all.
I got down on the Pack for displaying similar behavior in the Lions game, they responded.
More importantly...does my dog love me because of the food, or is it deeper than that? I feel like such a jerk now ..
quote:Originally posted by ZUF:
More importantly...does my dog love me because of the food, or is it deeper than that?
quote:Originally posted by oshbaul:
So Blair wasn't even a little discouraged after the 2nd Lions game?
Bummed.
But still glad to be a Packer fan and still supportive of "the regime"
I've got no issue with anybody taking issue with questionable play calling or personel moves---I got a big problem with people who crap their pants after every bad play.
They know their names.
Some have moved on.
Thank me.
You can attack me and my family and my fandom, but as soon as you attack my defication problem....well, that's going too far.
quote:Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
Thank me.
You got three consecutive lucid, complete sentences out of osh and there are comets that come around more often than that happens.
Gebins
quote:Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
You can attack me and my family and my fandom, but as soon as you attack my defication problem....well, that's going too far.
That depends on your perspective.
quote:Originally posted by MN SnowBong:
Gebins
We used to co-moderate a forum before this site went all to Hell.
