Is Ted Thompson Not A Gambler?

Dude, it's not that it's "outside the norm".  It's that it's a knee jerk response from armchair fans that you'd find on Yahoo comments.  

 

First off, it's highly unlikely that Joe Thomas fixes the fact that our Defense gives up roughly 17, 468 yards per game to any QB not named Cutler.  Joe Thomas doesn't fix the fact that our center and the entire left side of the line has sucked donkey balls.  Joe Thomas is 30, and makes 11.5M a year.  Joe Thomas doesn't fix that fact that DickRod is slower than everyone in the NFL.  

 

Secondly, AR has succeeded with a less than elite LT for the past 7 years.  They have hit a rough patch sure, and I think it's FAR more to do with WRs not getting open and a piss poor gameplan.  

 

Finally - no one traded for him.  What does this tell you?  A Failure by TT, or he wasn't really available at anything close to a price anyone was willing to pay?  

 

You are a bright guy, and have posted a ton of great stuff, but saying trade 3 1st rounders for a 30 year old OL is silly reaction to 2 straight losses vs good defenses.   

 

Trading what would be required, plus the salary cap implications, plus the fact that no one else traded for him should tell you everything.   I do think TT is open for questioning on things.  Saying trade a 5th or 6th rounder for Vernon Davis we can debate, hell, I'd agree with those on this one that I think TT could have upgraded this area, but this 3 1st rounders for a LT is lunacy.  Sorry, but it is.  

Why people get all worked up that he hasn't yet and never will change from his plan is beyond stupid. Thompson said this a few years ago in regards to FA and trades...

 

 “There’s no reluctance on our part. We do try to make certain that what we do is not just fantasy football. We’re investing in a player that’s got to come in and play a particular role. If we don’t think that player can perform to that contract, then it doesn’t make sense for us to do it just to say, ‘Look what we’ve spent.’”

Yesterday:

Richard Rodgers - 5rec, 19yrds, 2TD

Vernon Davis - 0rec, 0yrds, 0TD

 

 

Not that anyone cares.  

 

 

 

Not a knee jerk reaction to 2 straight losses at all. I made those comments prior to our first loss.

 

Just throwing it out there. Is Ted not gambling? Seems he is to me, by sticking with his philosophy so rigidly. That's all.

Another poster made the point earlier that Ted is gambling on the team he cobbled together through this summer with hours and hours of OTAs and TC to get a first hand evaluation. Rather than shiny toys that he and the coaching staff haven't had a chance to see how/if they integrate into the 53 + 10.

But Vernon Davis had a target. Manning overthrew him down the sideline & the announcer thought it was Emmanuel Sanders.

 

See how good Vernon looks.... He's so fast they thought he was Sanders!

Why do you make this a statement of fact?  Maybe TT called the Browns & they told him two #1s & he thought "Mmmm, Hadl-lite.  No thanks".  Or maybe he never called.  You don't know & I don't know.  But to damn him for stuff you don't know seems odd to me.

Which means they were in perfect position to roll the dice on a guy like Vernon Davis.

!. Relatively cheap, half-year salary.
2. No dead cap space.

3. Counts towards a compensatory pick when he signs elsewhere if they don't want him back so you still have a pick.

4. Potentially fills a glaring weakness.

 

On paper VD made sense to the fans, but this isn't fantasy football.

Not arguing for or against VD or JT but any improvement on O can help the D - at least some.  Longer posessions, maybe more points.

"Not arguing for or against VD"

 

Can someone add to that to my "I hate the Vikings" line? Please? 

       
       
But isn't that whay McGinn's piece was about? The Packers can no longer claim moral high ground. They have made roster decisions that are equally as questionable regarding character, though certainly not the long term. It just comes down to fallacies that have espoused to explain why certain move (or non moves) have been made no longer hold water.

For instance- in another response in this thread, Marshawn Lynch was called a thug. He may not be popular for the crotch grab in the NFCC Game, but a thug?
http://m.bleacherreport.com/ar...man-behind-beastmode

That guy's a thug? I don't think so. And he was there for the taking. The Packers passed, and Lynch became the centerpiece of Seattle's rise to NFC dominance.

The point I'm making is not to decry something from 2009... It merely illustrates the point that Thompson complete aversion to deals to make the team better have hurt the team.

I have supported most of Thompson's moves, or lack of moves, and still think the team's been guided well in his tenure. And maybe he'll get the last laugh this season too. But it is ok to question and discuss it now. Not trading for Lynch was a mistake. We know that now. Many of his non-moves were not mistakes. Meanwhile, after the last 3 weeks we have legit reason for concern.

It has nothing to do with outside the norm. This team is not 1 player away. This team is not playing well. Rodgers is not playing well. The Oline is not playing well. Lacy needs to be on the inactive list. The secondary is not playing well. All phases are not playing well. Joe Thomas will not fix it.

Nice post Music City!

 

Rodgers said, at the time, "Bring it on!"

 

Woodson said after the trade to SEA: "I thought with the way things shaked out with our team it would be a logical thing for us to do to get another big-time back like Marshawn Lynch. And it didn't pan out," Woodson said. "For players, there's nothing you can do but go out there and play football with the guys you've got."

 

Sometimes, a trade on that scale, being the magnitude of the player you are adding, can go a long way towards the overall morale of your team. Woodson was disappointed after Ted failed to pull the trigger as I'm sure other players were.

 

I believe the same holds true this season, missing on Joe Thomas. Yeah, we've got problems in other areas, but, don't some of you think a player added to the team like Thomas might have cranked it up a notch with other players? I do. It certainly would have helped our OL and our passing and run games. I think Aaron Rodgers would have loved a trade like that.

 

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 More from Rodgers:

"No. I mean I like our guys. I think we can win with them. Obviously, youd never turn down a talented player. I like our guys. I dont have any frustration."

He paused, and then added:

"Thats not my decision. Thats (the front offices) decision. So, I think I just realize you can have requests or wants or needs, and Im not saying Lynch was one of them because I never once said anything to the personnel department about Lynch. You guys asked me, and I said, 'Bring it on. You cant have enough players.' But thats not my place. I play, they make those decisions, coaches coach."

I also talked to linebacker Desmond Bishop, who also played with Lynch at the University of California and he said that Lynch told him after the trade that he would have been happy to come to Green Bay. Bishop said Lynch did not know how aggressively the Packers pursued him.

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http://www.jsonline.com/...gs/sports/104445223.html

 

In order for Thompson to get Lynch, he would have had to best Seattle's offer of a fourth-round pick in 2011 and a conditional sixth-round pick (could be a fifth) in 2012. So, we probably could have had Marshawn Lynch for our R3 in 2011, who turned out to be Alex Green... throw in an R5 (Jeron McMillian) or an R6 (Terrell Manning) from 2012...

Why in the name of Mother Hubbards dusty c**t are we talking about Marshawn Muther Farking Lynch?

 

**** ME!!!!!!!!

Its a TED conference. Get with the program.

LOL what year is this?

 

Really people. This is TT's 11th year. It is what it is. He's not changing and with a rare occasional exception there is a reason 86% (or something like that) of this roster is home grown. He's number 1 in the league in this and the second team isn't even close to that.

 

He will not change no matter how many articles are written, blogs posted, players requesting they sign _____ or questions asked in a PC. It's unbelievable we're still talking seriously about Joe Thomas and Marshawn Lynch.

 

When Ted was in the 3rd grade he'd heard rumors another kid was putting a PBJ, red vines, and a can of orange fanta on the block just before lunch if anyone could get him a seat close to Jenny Lundergarde.

 

Ted thought it was can't miss. He made a call and then made the offer. 

 

The PBJ had crust. The fanta was flat. Jenny went onto become Brad Childress.  

 

We don't know for certain this didn't happen.  

 

 

Originally Posted by Trophies:

FFS. There's not one shred of evidence anybody on this team was pining after Joe Thomas. For crissakes we know your opinion, why are you generating all this crap to make it look like your view has substance?

 

When Jordy went down, Tightwad Ted should have started looking for a veteran WR at that point other than James Jones.

I'm sure he did.  Who else was available at that moment and how well are they playing this season?

Wes Welker is still available.

Another fan favorite, Reggie Wayne, is still on his couch.

 

Rumor is he's turned down multi million dollar offers from 31 NFL teams but is waiting for #32 to ask him.  He'll play for them for minimum wage and a gift card from Kwik Trip.

 

 

And how is that working out in the locker room now that contracts are coming due?  He isn't a thug but he's a perfect fit for that ****heel locker room.

 

Shut up about it already.

 

 

That gift card is a violation of the salary cap.

Three firsts?  I'm happy you aren't the Packers GM.  

 

My friend. Are you capable of enganging in debate with anything other than strawman arguments?

While I would take 40% of your catches being TDs, it really is that 3.8 yards per catch that is attractive! 

 

 

Pretty sure Ted's final offer to Cleveland was (3) firsts plus their choice of 12 or 52.

Can't fault him for not trying.

I'd give up three first round picks for Joe Thomas. The Browns are welcome to Derek Sherrod, Justin Harrell, and Jamal Reynolds.

I'm shocked by the lack of outrage for not trading for Watt.  Do you people not care?!

Ted is sittin at the table with a bud light on ice......

 

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run

Ted only repeats the first line of that song. 

Just move Joe Thomas from ILB to LT and problems are solved.