It Isn't Rodgers' Fault

It all starts up front.  AR has been running for his life most of the time leading to passes that are off the mark.  No holes to run through for the RBs.  It all becomes a whole lot easier if AR has 3-4 seconds to survey the field instead of 2. 

Reigning MVP

Seemingly in the zone, has his mojo back

22 yards

Got scared

 

 

Way too complex. The answer is to simplify and just find the lost magic. 

Draft LT early and often.

Yep, the last offensive play of the Carolina game was DEFINITELY Rodgers' fault. Could not agree more.

 

My post had more to do with the lackluster play on offense during the 459 plays (over the first 8 games) prior to that one.

It's everybodys fault. Pretty much a complete breakdown these past couple of weeks. When James Starks is the shining beacon of your offense something is wrong.

AR is a special player and a HOF'er. But he's played like shi* the last 2 games and missed throws he makes in his sleep. The OL has much to do with his inability to stand in the pocket but it is also a multitude of other reasons this offense isn't hitting on all cylinders.

 

 He's missed WR's and made bad throws when the protection was there. AR said as much on Sunday.

The whole AR being "scared" thing is being misrepresented. What he said earlier in the press conference was that on the pre-snap read, he feared that Tillman was going to "smell out" the play and overplay Cobb to the flat. As a result, he thought that Adams had a better chance of being open on the other side & that is why he looked there.

Everything is Rodgers fault. From Olivia Ono to the defense giving up eleventy billion yards to the 2 losses.

Everything.

To Hank's point. 

 

Nothing is getting fixed on offense until the line plays better. 

 

Then they need to draft a real LT. Then a real ILB. Then a real TE. 

 

What I haven't figured out is how to acquire those draft picks after trading those draft picks away. Working on it....

Rodgers is missing throws he should make, but I think we can all agree that everything is Dom Capers fault

Maybe, my friend, you can figure it out in the 2-3 years it will take for them all to develop...

Even tho we are missing the 3 firsts for Thomas and the 5th for VD there are plenty left for such an astute draft wonk as TT.  

Need you to clear something up. 15 minutes ago in another thread you posted you'd like to see Gunter start. You've already stated Randall should start. (He should by the way)

 

Now you're arguing it's acceptable to trade picks because they take 2-3 years to develop. 

 

He talks about the 4th and 4 starting at the 1:20 mark. link

Specifically at ~ 2:00 he says "I got scared by... something, I can't explain it"

 

 

The Patriots rotated a TE and a backup C at RT this past week, that didn't slow Tom Brady down. I'm not dogging Rodgers, but he gets paid A LOT of money to make the offense work even when there are challenges.

I think it is kind of a perfect storm right now on offense. 

 

The LT keeps getting pushed back like he is on rollerskates

Injuries to the WR's such as Adams and Montgomery have not helped.  I don't know if Adams is a field stretcher or not but you can see what he might be able to do at times.  Also, they have faced a couple of teams that can cover real tight man to man coverage and that makes it tough to get open

TE is a dumpster fire right now

They need to use the better back right now in Starks.  Lacy is just not right.  Fat, slow, and playing tentative.  Maybe he is hurt worse than we are being told?

 

As for Rodgers I fully expect him to take out his frustrations in the next couple of weeks.  The Lions have struggled and the spermheads passing D is not that great and I think he can do really well against them.  AR has not played well but when you have WR who can't get open, the OL is getting pushed around, etc.  Everything is going to be out of whack.

 

 

 

Yes, when he said "I was worried about Peanut", I assumed that was what he was still referring to when he said "I got scared", as in, in retrospect I shouldn't have been scared of Peanut defending the play. As in "I over thought it" ....perhaps I am "over thinking it"?

FWIW

 

Listening during lunch to some Packers talk radio from this morning and Wilde on ESPN Milwaukee was discussing the "change" McCarthy mentioned last week that they were going to implement for the CAR game and also about the comment of maybe giving too much to Clements. Then Wilde went on and said "I talked to somebody inside the organization, and while McCarthy has become more involved in the play calling it sounds to me like the guy making most of the calls during the 2nd half of the game, was the QB".

 

McCarthy last week wasn't happy with the tempo getting in and out of the huddle in the DEN game. Certainly they can speed that tempo up if the QB is handling the calls more.

 

McCarthy also moved QB coach Alex Van Pelt down to the sideline from the booth so he can review the plays w/AR on the MS Surface (if it isn't busted   ) so Clements can stay on the overall O plan.

 

 

 

I like that, I hate when the play clock gets into the single didgits and the hurry up seems to be more distressing to you than the d.  Especially on the road. Stress can cause errors.

Is it even possible to have a thread where the ****ing patriots aren't brought up?

Dude, I was just messing with you. Its all good.

 

Yeah, Randall is looking like a real player. Still has some growing pains to work through. Rollins had been solid when he played, for the most part. Two very nice pick ups out of R1 and R2.

 

I guess I've taken a lot of heat for the Joe Thomas thing, but in reality, this board would have gone ape **** had Ted made such a trade. In a good way. We would have been one of the deepest OLs in all of football. And, I think this offense would have benefited greatly. Didn't happen so the point is moot.

 

I have liked Gunter from the get go. He flashes great play at CB. He's got a lot to learn too, but I wouldn't mind taking my lumps and seeing it on the field, while he learns.

 

Point taken.

       
       
Well they're 8-0 and coming off a SB win. They obviously have some things figured out.

I wonder if they practice cheating during their bye week. 

Yeah, but they've only won one bowl this decade...

I like Bellichick's "Do Your Job" mantra. 

 

Wish our players would follow it. Lately, not so much.

fricken losers

        I blame Mike Sherman.

Or barring that, AJ Hawk.

I blame it all on the millenials.

 

Great point..  Seems like we are late getting the play in way to often.  

Can Rodgers play better? Yes. He can make every read correctly and fit balls perfectly into small windows against a pash rush coming up the middle not allowing him to step into throws.

 

Is he the reason they lost the last two games? No. Some people are freaking out over the fact that he missed Cobb on the last play basically because he assumed Tillman would read the play and thought he had a more favorable matchup on the other side. It's not like he has a guy like Gronkowski, Megatron, or Dez Bryant he can just throw the ball up to in that situation and know it's a 50/50 shot no matter if its triple coverage.

 

What would the last two games have looked like with almost any other QB?

 

You mean most QBs can't spin out of a sure sack from an unblocked rusher, run out and set their feet to throw across their body to throw a 36 yard pass downfield to give James Jones a chance to make a play on 4th and long? Or hit Cobb in stride in a small window for a 56 yard TD? Or throw the ball into about a postage stamp size window on the run for a TD to Richard Rodgers?

He missed a few throws by a yard or so that could have been big plays. The one fly pattern to Cobb is an example.

 

He's in what people consider a slump the last 5 games. If you extrapolate out the last 5 games to a full season, he'd be on season-long pace for 3700 yards, 29 TDs, 10 Interceptions, 59% completion percentage.

Pro Bowl left tackles (or at least close to that level) typically end up getting picked in the top 10 picks in the first round. They are hard to come by. There's a reason that QB, LT, CB, and edge rushers get paid the most. They are the hardest to come by and are the biggest differences in who wins and loses games consistently. We have Rodgers, Matthews, and Sam Shields - that's a pretty good foundation - a sure HOFer, a potential HOFer, and a top 10-15 CB. I think we need to cut TT some slack on not having a superstar left tackle drafting in the bottom third of the first round almost every year. Bakhtiari is not a guy who is a Newhouse-level liability, but yes, you'd like an upgrade if you could get one.

 

There is much less of an excuse to not have a serviceable TE or ILB. Those are not premium positions in the draft and you can usually find quality guys in the middle rounds (Finley was a 3rd rounder).

Bak gives everything he's got. He's going up against the other teams best edge rusher. Things could have been much worse. But he's a 4th rounder. One would think Ted could improve LT at the bottom of round 1. Sherrod wasn't that guy but I think it's still the place Ted looks first in 2016. 

 

I think we need to define serviceable. Was Hawk serviceable? If we're calling Finley serviceable then Dick Rodgers is serviceable. Finley hated blocking so much he petitioned to be called a WR because he flexed out wide all the damn time. Finley never caught more than 8 TD's in a season. Dick Rod is halfway there in his second season. Dick Rod is a slower less athletic Finley that puts up similar numbers. 

 

I think there's a better TE in the draft than Dick Rodgers around the same spot Rodgers was selected though. 

I blame God, personally.

I think she is back in the Seahawks camp

Good points. Sherrod was intended to be the guy. He didn't look to be a star even before he was injured, but he may have at least been serviceable.

 

Finley may have been a head case, but he was more than serviceable. The scouts McGinn interviewed commented on how the defense constantly had to be aware of him because he was a matchup nightmare. He never approached the level he flashed during the Phoenix playoff game where he was absolutely uncoverable. but he kept LBs and safeties honest and definitely was a red zone target. RichRod is a good guy to have as your 2nd TE (if he improves his blocking). He's just not a guy you game plan to stop. The other team can stick their weakest cover guy on him and it's safe because he can't run away from anybody.

Highly unlikely.