Love this draft. Draft recap here

I concur. Surprising, but should get at least three starters out of it.

Jones and Lacy for sure, who would the 3rd starter be?

Praying it's Tretter by game 6.

We got a gamer, a mauler, a football player, a mudder, a "first guy off the bus," a leader and a guy who plays well in space.

And we are not the vikings.

What is not to like?

TT had a great weekend. Potentially one of his best drafts.

I will be fascinated to see the impact Lacy and Franklin have on the offense:

- we have bitched for years about Campen and his o-line. Can they create some room for these guys to run? Or will (finally) having quality RBs make the long suffering OL look better?
- even more interesting is the guy calling plays. Will he finally show more than token interest in the run game?
- will the improvement in the quality of our RBs mean we can pick up a 3rd and 1 without throwing the ball 30 yards downfield?

I love the optimism but people are getting way too excited. How many of these guys are going to really make an impact? Hopefully 2 and maybe 3 if we are really lucky. Just look back at the previous 2 drafts. Helps put things in perspective.
2012 Draft impact players in year 1: Hayward, anyone else?
2011: Cobb and Sherrod
Brandon Jackson was also drafted in the second round, right? Just saying....

I don't think Sherrod had much of an impact at all. How much did he even play his rookie year? Not many.

Anybody watch TT in his press conf this eve? Seemed very tired. Non commital on anything related to the draft. Needed to "get back upstairs" to help out with the undrafted free agent signings.

Hmmm...after being up for 69 of last 72 hours it seems odd he'd be tired.

Too many Zimas. Long painful season. Skol Vikings.

(I also love this draft).

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Too many Zimas.

Zima. Because zhit happens.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
We got a gamer, a mauler, a football player, a mudder, a "first guy off the bus," a leader and a guy who plays well in space.

And we are not the vikings.

What is not to like?

Didn't grab any lunch bucket guys.

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Originally posted by bvan:
Can't wait to see which undrafted dudes Ted contacts tomorrow!

they contact Ted and beg for consideration

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Originally posted by WolfPack:


Outside of Bostic, the Bears draft looks kinds weak on paper. though they only had 6 picks

Sure about that? Mayock disagrees

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Originally posted by Herschel:
15 compensatory picks until the feeding frenzy of UDFAs starts.

I'm sure we've already contacted many of them.

is that all you could find? the only guy and he says they didnt
get any homeruns?

what happened to all your picks? still part of the Cutler deal?

One thing I know about is Trestman, and hes honestly a terrible hire
for the NFL. Theres a resason why no ones given him a shot in
all the years hes interviewed. We ran him out of Raleigh
after disasterous results. I dont think this will end well for the Bears

Beasr hire of Trestman is puzzling at best

"So he's been away from the NFL for almost a decade. He has coached in an inferior football system for the past five years ...And he's the hire for the Chicago Bears? Wow.

It's absolutely stunning that an NFL team would hire Trestman. Anyone can rack up huge offensive numbers coaching in Canada. They don't play defense, and the field is 700 yards wide. Cutler is a coach killer, and Trestman is next up on the chopping block.

Trestman's website says some of the quarterbacks he's coached include Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, Jimmy Clausen, Jason Campbell and -- wait for it -- Tim Tebow.

This Bears hire isn't only risky. It's head-shaking, and not in a good way."

Wolf, we were a couple picks short because of the Marshall trade, though we got our 7th rounder back in a trade.

Actually, this was an excellent draft for the Bears (for what it's worth, I've never said that on this forum before). We got guys with unbelievably high ceilings in areas of need. I'm more excited about the potential of our 6th and 7th round picks (DE Cornelius Washington and receiver Marquees Wilson) than I have been about some of our 3rd and 4th round picks in recent years.

That said, the Pack had an excellent draft, too. They attacked weaknessess (running back/O-line) and I love what Ted Thompson did to cultivate more picks in a deep draft. It seems everyone wanted to move down, but he's the only guy that seemed to do it w/o losing value overall.

B-N-D

This is probably the best draft that the Packers have had in YEARS. All the needs addressed with lots of value. A masterful performance by Ted Thompson.

As for the Saints draft, we had only five picks (our 2nd Round pick was stripped due to the bounty BS and we traded up and down for the rest), but we got quality with them. Vaccaro is a SS that can actually cover as well as hit, Armstead is a beast of a LT, Jenkins is a NT in the B.J. Raji mode (which is ideal since we're changing to the 3-4), Stills is a helluva weapon for a WR and will push the rest of our WR corps (are you listening, Devery Henderson?) and another potentially elite pass rusher in DE Rufus Johnson. All in all, I'm satisfied.

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Originally posted by BearBite:

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Originally posted by WolfPack:


Outside of Bostic, the Bears draft looks kinds weak on paper. though they only had 6 picks

Sure about that? Mayock disagrees

Ever wonder why Mayock and Kiper aren't NFL GM's?

Can someone please explain the J.C. Tretter pick. With Quinton Patton, A.J. Klein, Quissenberry and higher ranked linemen on the board, why pick J.C. Tretter, a projected 6th rounder, in the 4th? I understand the need for a center, but...

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Originally posted by BearBite:
Sure about that? Mayock disagrees

Kiper gave the Bears the lowest grade in the division (C+), largely because of the reach for Long.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

Ever wonder why Mayock and Kiper aren't NFL GM's?

Because they probably make more money, can say whatever they like (and be wrong) without having to worry about getting fired every year. Why turn down that gig for a job where you might get paid less and have your ass on the line each year if you guess wrong? Think about it.

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Kiper gave the Bears the lowest grade in the division (C+), largely because of the reach for Long.

Day after draft grades are about as accurate judging wine 5 minutes after it goes into the bottle. Check back in a few years and see if you got 2-3 solid starters from a draft. That realistically is what makes a draft successful. I think the Bears may have done that this year, despite talking head knee jerk grades and the opinions of message board "sages".

My main concern for the last three years has been offensive line (though I certainly erred in that concern for the 2011 team whose defense everyone knows was a train wreck).

Anyway, I am not real happy about the draft with respect to my main concern.

Last 7 picks and not a single offensive lineman selected. I get the BPA thing, but the Pack really ought to have sought two WR's rather than OL?

I just do not get what I see as a lack of priority on the offensive line.

How many times has Rodgers been sacked? I am pretty sure I heard that for the last three years taken together, he is #1.

40 million dollars paid to a guy this year and he'll probably be near or at the top in sacks. I just hope it doesn't bite the Pack hard (injury).

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Originally posted by Hud:
Can someone please explain the J.C. Tretter pick. With Quinton Patton, A.J. Klein, Quissenberry and higher ranked linemen on the board, why pick J.C. Tretter, a projected 6th rounder, in the 4th? I understand the need for a center, but...

(1) Kiper had him rated as his 4th best center behind Frederick, Barrett Jones and Schwenke.

(2) Said if Tretter had gone to a big-time school vs. Cornell, likely would have been a 2nd round pick

(3) Tretter clearly better than Quessenberry, who didn't go until the 6th round -- two full rounds later

(4) We have a serious need for a bigger, better center than EDS. Arguably a much bigger need than ILB (Klein) or WR (Patton), where we have both quality starters and depth -- neither of which we have at C.

(5) What higher ranked linemen are you referring to? No other C went after Tretter in the 4th or 5th round. In fact, no other OL were picked after him in the 4th, and only 4 went in the 5th -- and all are OT's none of which are projected to C: Aboushi, Hawkinson, Mills and Wagner.

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Originally posted by Hud:
Can someone please explain the J.C. Tretter pick. With Quinton Patton, A.J. Klein, Quissenberry and higher ranked linemen on the board, why pick J.C. Tretter, a projected 6th rounder, in the 4th? I understand the need for a center, but...

Because TT and his team had him higher on their board. "hired ranked linemen on the board"? Whose board? Whose rankings?

Most of these talking heads and scribes are about as experienced and knowledgeable about scouting and how a draftee will fit into a team's needs as Jaymo is.

TT was within two picks of destroying Rd 4 when TN took Schwenke. Schwenke, Bakhtiari, and Franklin in Rd 4 would have been incredible. It happens.

Tretter is a solid project at C.

You sure he didn't prefer Tretter, anyway? It sounds to me like Tretter is the better athlete.

Not sure how I feel about this draft. Loved how TT collected all those extra picks. Did not like that, for the second year in a row, it is clear that he drafted for need.

reading cold hard football facts, its seems like each solid draft class will average 3-4 starters after 5 years in the league

so my guess on the standouts from this draft are:
Lacy
Jones
Barrington
Bakhtiari

I would add Franklin to that list and between Johnson and Dorsey I have to think one will hit simply based on TT's ability to find WR's. Charles Johnson is really intruiging.

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Originally posted by phaedrus:
I just do not get what I see as a lack of priority on the offensive line.

They drafted 2 OL in the fourth. These two guys, plus Newhouse, Lang, EDS, Sitton, Bulaga, Barclay, and Sherrod gives us 9 OL, which is all you can carry on a roster. Does a 6th or 7th rounder beat out any of those guys? Maybe Sherrod if he cant come back from injury, but that's it.

Guess I just disagree. TT drafted a guy that can play OT and OG, and drafted a C. Other than picking an OL higher (over Jones and Lacy), I just don't see what else he needed to do to address the OL. More 6th-7th rounders isn't going to fix the problem.

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Originally posted by Goalline:
Loved how TT collected all those extra picks. Did not like that, for the second year in a row, it is clear that he drafted for need.

Every draft is different. Many said this one was "flat" without a lot of separation between players and rounds. Maybe the differences between players were so small that GB ends up picking the guy at a position of need, hence the results

Its only an issue if you jump the board to pick a need, if all things are reasonably equal between players, then that's the smart move

Pure speculation on my part

Datko could be in the mix as well

Don't know if you guys remember but Tausch was a BB standout at Auburndale. All Conference and his team went to state.

Think I read somewhere Tretter still holds his school's all time scoring and rebounding records. Plus he was his team's QB. Sounds like we got a heckuva athlete.

People complaining why one player was drafted when other players were rated higher reminds me of when Wolf picked Chad Clifton and everyone scoffed because his linemate at Tennessee was supposedly ranked higher. Cosey Coleman if I remember correctly. That proved to me right there that the Packers knew more than all the media hypes.

Lowest draft grade I've seen so far is B+. Let's kick some ass to the SB shall we?

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Originally posted by Satori:

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Originally posted by Goalline:
Loved how TT collected all those extra picks. Did not like that, for the second year in a row, it is clear that he drafted for need.

Every draft is different. Many said this one was "flat" without a lot of separation between players and rounds. Maybe the differences between players were so small that GB ends up picking the guy at a position of need, hence the results

Its only an issue if you jump the board to pick a need, if all things are reasonably equal between players, then that's the smart move

Pure speculation on my part

You make a good point, but the fact that I see this over two drafts concerns me a little. Honextly, I think TT could get away with it, because he has an amazing eye for talent, but he could do so much better looking for tne best player.

However, we fans tend to simplify the process a little. You are right, there are typically multiple players on the same plane.

I do like what Thompson did overall. How well do you guys think he did in getting this team bigger/tougher? At first, I thought he might go Sylvester Williams and John Jenkins 1/2. A line of Raji, Jenkins/Pickett and Williams would be big, young, talented and very tough to run on, stand up well against SF's huge OL. Seems though instead his priority was to get another DL that can run (defend the read option) and offer pass rush -- like Neal, Worthy (when he comes back) and Daniels -- and grab a starting RB that was big/tough (Lacy, Ball or Bell). Assuming that was his logic, hard to argue with. What's your take?

Well, CUPackFan, I hope you're right.