MichiganPacker posted:

Davante Adams stats speak for themselves

Rodgers' QB rating when targeting Adams

2015: 13 regular season games, 50-93 483 yards 1 TD 1 INT; 5.2 YPA; 67.6 QBR

2016; 2 games, 6-14 76 yards 1 TD 1 INT; 5.4 YPA; 54.4 QBR

107 targets in the last 15 regular season games?

Maybe it is Aaron's fault, but when it's obvious that the Rodgers-Adams combo isn't working, why do they keep forcing it? At least with Nelson and Cobb you know it's worked in the past. It's never worked well with Adams.

Abbrederis!!!!!!

Am I a ball washer of A Dozen? Yes. Do I think he can play better? Of course. But "Maybe It's Aaron's Fault"? Come on man. Do I need not remind you of the efficiency of this offense after he was hurt before.  That was a fun run, save the Dallas game. I understand the right of a fan to critique a player performance, but it's also important to look at the body of work and ebbs and flows of a career. Players play, teams adjust, players adjust. The great ones show they can, and if 12 hasn't proved that to you throughout his career than maybe get your customized 7 jersey from The Pro Shop. Ball washing is extreme I know. But a knee jerk assessment of this team and who's "fault" it is in Week 3 is too.  Have a little loyalty to arguably the best player to play the position in GB, and some faith in his game too.

That opinion is losing merit with each game that passes.    Were not talking about a bad week or even a bad month, we are well beyond that.

I don't think anyone is giving up hope that he turns it on, but there is credible reason to be concerned about him. 

I think the lack of speed is accurate- Davis has it. Abbrederis can get open, and he has enough. As soon as Janis gets the cast off they'll have it. 

Jordys still rounding into shape. I think he'll be ok. 

Those stats with Adams are very telling. So why keep going there? Oh, MM is smarter than anyone else. Can anyone imagine Belichick sticking this long with a fail at receiver? Or Brady?

Adams would have been cut by New England mid-season last year.

Herschel posted:

Adams would have been cut by New England mid-season last year.

Or Bill will pick him up (if he is cut) and make him a star.

BrainDed posted:

That opinion is losing merit with each game that passes.    Were not talking about a bad week or even a bad month, we are well beyond that.

I don't think anyone is giving up hope that he turns it on, but there is credible reason to be concerned about him. 

 

Then go get another QB. Who you want? I'm serious. Throw some names out there. Let's better the position. Let's better this squad!

Good or bad, right or wrong, that's a point that can't be stressed enough.
There are slim  pickin's available for QBs. There's maybe a dozen mid-tier (Matty Ass, Flacco, etc) and a similar amount of what barely passes for a QB (Tyrod Taylor, Case Keenum).

Rodgers QB rating with ALL his WRs has sucked since the DEN game last year. It's all over the internet.

On TNF I am watching a 3rd string QB with less than a week of practice beating what was supposed to be the #1 rated defense. Sure, He has a few gadget plays. But for the most part is simply using the run game and short throws. No yips and schoolyard plays, just taking what is working and TOP. 

Aaaaaaagh.......he's a third stringer.......   

Let's start Callahan!

Fandame posted:

Let's start Callahan!

Not at all. I just think he can do better with the right attitude.

belly fire and lunch pail workers. that's all we need.

I'm all set for Sunday.

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Me too

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There is no excuse for the Packers to be playing this poorly. None. If it continues, I'm immediately calling conspiracy as the NFL is forcing them to continue to use non-11 & Dropvante Adams. Nothing else makes any sense.

http://www.acmepackingcompany....eads-pocket-presence

pathetic

From the article: 

PackerPatrick posted:

Fandame posted:

Let's start Callahan!

Not at all. I just think he can do better with the right attitude.

I couldn't find the sarcasm emoji...  

Pikes Peak posted:

Herschel posted:

Adams would have been cut by New England mid-season last year.

Or Bill will pick him up (if he is cut) and make him a star.

Adams is the anti-Belichick type player. Belichick tends to find guys that play better than their measurables. Guys with good instincts and football smarts.

You mean white guys? He finds those scrappy, gym rat, lunch pail, blue collar type players. 

Quicksand.

Grave Digger posted:

You mean white guys? He finds those scrappy, gym rat, lunch pail, blue collar type players. 

Janis!

If 12 doesn't lead the Packers to a deep playoff run this year I'm buying Copper Fits for every poster on this thread!

As I wrote in the McCarthy thread, I think the scheme doesn't work with the tallant very well most times and even when it does, Rodgers has already expected it not to and is already  in bail-out mode. 

Obviously the offense is McCarthy's baby, but I wonder if Edgar Bennett is feeling any heat. The offense has struggled at an epic rate since his promotion....and the Receivers have gotten worse since he left the room. A lot of moving parts, and certainly McCarthy and our Sensitive QB bear the brunt of the responsibility, but was just wondering what Bennett must be feeling in all of this. 

BSPN Insider writes..

Aaron Rodgers' slump is real, and a big change is needed

When a quarterback has a slump like this -- it's now at 14 games -- it often takes a coaching change or a new team to snap him out of it. The Packers must consider all options

After one of the worst games of his career on Sunday night, Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers was quick to point out that this season is only two games old. "Well, it's Week 2. There's always a lot of work to be done," he said.

The problem with that statement is that Green Bay had an entire offseason to fix last year's broken offense, which finished 21st in weighted DVOA. Though star wideout Jordy Nelson has returned, the offense looks awfully similar to the unit that struggled through the final dozen games in 2015. The Packers rank 25th in offensive DVOA, and 26th in passing offense this season. (DVOA is Football Outsiders' proprietary Defense-adjusted Value Over Average metric, explained here.)

Clearly, this is about more than just one bad night in Minnesota against a tough defense. This has been a 14-game slump for one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history during what should still be his prime. What can history teach us about when the slump might end? How likely is it Rodgers can return to his past glory?

I wonder if AR has a subscription. Or a coupon.

Yokoed 

He's going to figure it out. He's historically good. I don't think it'll be in one game but a gradual progression. But they will figure this out. If they have things fully wound up around week 12 that's about perfect. 

"The slump started with Rodgers passing for only 77 yards in a 29-10 blowout loss in Denver on Nov. 1, 2015. Sure, that defense has been the best in the NFL, but literally every other team and quarterback have done more to challenge Wade Phillips' defense than Rodgers and the Packers did that night. Rodgers has not thrown for 300 yards since putting the ball up a career-high 61 times against Detroit in a Week 10 loss last season.

Yards can be hollow, but we have plenty of efficiency metrics that also show Rodgers' decline when accounting for important context. His 64.1 Total QBR in 2015 is the lowest of his career, and he has minus-10 passing DYAR in his past 14 games. For reference, in Rodgers' 2014 MVP season, he had 82.0 QBR and 1,564 DYAR. Rodgers is also completing only 60.3 percent of his passes in the past two seasons after 65.9 percent from 2008 to 2014. His passing plus-minus (explained here), which adjusts for drops and how far the ball was thrown, was a career low in 2015, and his receivers actually had their lowest drop rate of his career.

Advanced metrics and charting data aside, Rodgers has severely declined in one of the simplest, but most predictive measures of success in football: yards per attempt (YPA). Through 116 regular-season games, Rodgers averaged 8.22 YPA, the third-highest mark in NFL history. In his past 14 games, Rodgers has averaged 5.95 YPA, which is close to the lowest mark in NFL history -- Joey Harrington's 5.79 YPA."

There's some more from the piece (don't have access to it all).

Ask Olivia, and she'll tell you it's Aaron's fault. Ask any woman, and she'll tell you it's the guy's fault. 

You really are trying my patience FEDYA.  

During this "slump", Rodgers has had games with QB ratings of:

96.6, 96.2, 99.5, 93.5, & 95.1 - so while he hasn't been above 100 and in his normal range, he also hasn't been that far away.

Clearly something is off, but I expect he'll get it figured out. Chiili's right, he's historically good.

He's told us SHHHH and to R-E-L-A-X... Rodgers in the post-game Sunday, "Timing is everything."

Through 116 regular-season games, Rodgers averaged 8.22 YPA, the third-highest mark in NFL history. In his past 14 games, Rodgers has averaged 5.95 YPA, which is close to the lowest mark in NFL history -- Joey Harrington's 5.79 YPA.

Holy hot hell.  Joey Harrington.

Sing us a song you're the piano man....

Why would anyone miss that pile of **** who was in a slump every year past 1997?

Joey Harrington 

what the **** 

DH13 posted:

Through 116 regular-season games, Rodgers averaged 8.22 YPA, the third-highest mark in NFL history. In his past 14 games, Rodgers has averaged 5.95 YPA, which is close to the lowest mark in NFL history -- Joey Harrington's 5.79 YPA.

Holy hot hell.  Joey Harrington.

I just tweeted that $hit to @AaronRodgers12 in 2 tweets

He needs to see that. 

I want seek & destroy vs. the Lions. NO MERCY!!

156.3 QB Rating at the end of the day. Crush them!