NFC North now the best division for QB's?

Minnesota still has the 4th best starter

There isn't one superstar in the group, so I say no.

The AFC South is the best, IMO- Manning, Schaub, Collins, and Gerard. They have the superstar in Manning, the young up and comer in Schaub, Collins is a winner, and Gerard is solid despite having a down year.

The AFC North is also pretty good: Roethlisberger, Flacco, Palmer, and Quinn/Anderson are better than the NFC North.

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The AFC South is the best, IMO- Manning, Schaub, Collins, and Gerard

You cant be serious....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/.../stats?playerId=5615

Matt Schaub isn't even a sniff in Rodgers league.

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Originally posted by Music City:
and Gerard is solid despite having a down year.

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http://www.nfl.com/players/dav...erstats?id=GAR371604

A down year? You follow football? This was his best season so far.

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Originally posted by Boris:

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The AFC South is the best, IMO- Manning, Schaub, Collins, and Gerard

You cant be serious....

I am. Manning tips the scales right off the bat. A superstar QB in his prime, 2 MVPs and a Championship. Schaub was injured, but when he played he put up very good numbers. He is equal to Cutler IMO, especially in what they've accomplished. Collins is a winner, and was instrumental in righting the Titans ship to a top seed in the playoffs last year. Gerard is better than anything the Lions will field.

Manning > Rodgers
Schaub > or = Cutler
Collins > or = anything MIN has Favre or no Favre
Gerard > Lions entire depth chart at QB

BTW, Timberlake- I do watch football. Last year was a down year for Gerard from 2007, when he posted a 102.2 rating and had 3 more TD passes in 4 less games. But don't let that stop you, little guy...

Let's put it this way.....

You ask any pro GM, if they can pick 3 QB's out of this group of 6, who would they rather have??

Schaub / Collins / Gerard
Rodgers / Cutler / Stafford

Yes you can pick any 3.



You're in way over your head on this one

Yeah, preserve your dignity MC and stop right here ...

I'm no Jay Cutler fan, I've made that very clear, but there's no way I would take Matt Schaub over Jay Cutler. Even when he was playing and was healthy he wasn't that good. He was good enough to get the Texans some wins but he isn't one of the top QBs in the league, yet.

Garard is probably the best backup QB in the league and an average/good starter but he'll never lead the Jags to a SB.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Let's put it this way.....

You ask any pro GM, if they can pick 3 QB's out of this group of 6, who would they rather have??

Schaub / Collins / Gerard
Rodgers / Cutler / Stafford

Yes you can pick any 3.



You're in way over your head on this one

The discussion is not who you'd rather have- like I said, Manning tilts the playing field. But if you were to rate the QBs in each division 1-10 (10 highest), it is not "way over my head" in doing a direct comparison to the quality of play between the divisions that:

Manning: 10
Schaub: 7
Collins: 7
Gerard: 7

is greater than

Rodgers: 8
Cutler: 7
Favre: 7
Stafford: 5

My compaison is basically an estimate of where I think their play will rate in 2009. It's not a "would I rather have X over Y, though I could make an argument that Schaub has accomplished as much as Cutler has.

The question posed was whether the NFC North has the best QBs collectively in the NFL> I say no. I gave two examples of divisions that were collectivly better based on where I think their play will rate this coming year. You can disagree, but it is my opinion.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
I'm no Jay Cutler fan, I've made that very clear, but there's no way I would take Matt Schaub over Jay Cutler. Even when he was playing and was healthy he wasn't that good. He was good enough to get the Texans some wins but he isn't one of the top QBs in the league, yet.

Garard is probably the best backup QB in the league and an average/good starter but he'll never lead the Jags to a SB.

Amen Sista'. No WAY would I take Schaub over Cutler.

Garard= Seneca Wallace 2.0

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Garard is probably the best backup QB in the league and an average/good starter but he'll never lead the Jags to a SB.

I don't totally disagree- but I will say that he has been successful and on the right team he would be fine. If isn't going to hurt you, anyway. He just may not make some plays that could be the difference.

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The discussion is not who you'd rather have- like I said, Manning tilts the playing field.

Couldn't you have just said that Manning was the best QB in the NFL and be done with it?

Back on topic, I feel the NFC North has the worst group of starting QBs in the league. I mean, Rodgers, Favre, and Cutler are all good to great, but if Culpepper gets the Lions job, he's going to tip the scales of suck to lopsided proportions!

What about Romo, McNabb, Manning and Campbell?

An argument could be made that three of those guys are better than anybody in the North.

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Originally posted by Music City:
There isn't one superstar in the group, so I say no.

The AFC South is the best, IMO- Manning, Schaub, Collins, and Gerard. They have the superstar in Manning, the young up and comer in Schaub, Collins is a winner, and Gerard is solid despite having a down year.

The AFC North is also pretty good: Roethlisberger, Flacco, Palmer, and Quinn/Anderson are better than the NFC North.

Have you seen Schaub play, or are you going on heresay? He is decent to good at best. Manning, sure he is great without question. Collins had a good year last year and Gerard... C'mon MC.

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Originally posted by Music City:

Manning: 10
Schaub: 7
Collins: 7
Gerard: 7

is greater than

Rodgers: 8
Cutler: 7
Favre: 7
Stafford: 5

My compaison is basically an estimate of where I think their play will rate in 2009. It's not a "would I rather have X over Y, though I could make an argument that Schaub has accomplished as much as Cutler has.

The question posed was whether the NFC North has the best QBs collectively in the NFL> I say no. I gave two examples of divisions that were collectivly better based on where I think their play will rate this coming year. You can disagree, but it is my opinion.

Manning: 10
Schaub: 6
Collins: 7
Gerard: 6

Rodgers: 9
Cutler: 8
Favre: 7
Culpepper: 6

Hmmmmm....my opinion scores higher than your opinion.

This will be the year we'll see just how good Manning is. New recievers, new coaching, no go to guy. We may find out Whiney Payton can be over even more whiney.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
What about Romo, McNabb, Manning and Campbell?

An argument could be made that three of those guys are better than anybody in the North.

Good call. Perhaps after this upcoming season we can say that about the North.

Once Chicago gets a SB or two under their belts, there will be no question and no doubt.

Make fun if you will, but at least we had a winning record last year.

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:

Once Chicago gets a SB or two under their belts, there will be no question and no doubt.

And once you getter a better job than fry cook at Arby's you can move out of Mom's basement. Dude, saying it and actually achieving it are two distinctly different things

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Make fun if you will, but at least we had a winning record last year.

So did 15 other teams that DIDN'T win the SB... troll.

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Make fun if you will, but at least we had a winning record last year.

Ohhhh...so that's your basis for multiple SB victories over the next few years.
Thanks....that tells me a lot.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Make fun if you will, but at least we had a winning record last year.

Ohhhh...so that's your basis for multiple SB victories over the next few years.
Thanks....that tells me a lot.

Yeah, it is part of my basis. At 9-7, we had a pretty decent team last year. We finished ahead of G.B. and with Cutler we'll only get better.

Maybe this year you can strive for .500.

I must say, we Packer fans are the most cocky fans of a 6-10 team that I have ever seen.

With good reason. Many different factors as to why the 2009 Packers will be a playoff team.

Maybe if the Pack doesn't keep a 6th WR, the Bears could pick up the cast-off so that Cutler has a new #1 WR.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
Manning: 10
Schaub: 6
Collins: 7
Gerard: 6

Rodgers: 9
Cutler: 8
Favre: 7
Culpepper: 6

Hmmmmm....my opinion scores higher than your opinion.

You really think Rodgers is just about to Manning's level? I love the guy, but I'm not willing to say that.

The idea that Schaub is merely an average QB is pretty laughable to me. The guy posted a 92 rating last year, and if Packer fans recall, he put up 400+ on the Packers. The guy is pretty good already, with a chance to be a Pro Bowl level QB. He also is starting to get the necessary help to make the next step, too.

The NFC East is also a good call- What about Romo, McNabb, Manning and Campbell are a pretty good group of QBs. A SB Champion and plenty of Pro Bowls as well.

That's 3 divisions better overall than the NFC North.

From Music,

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BTW, Timberlake- I do watch football. Last year was a down year for Gerard from 2007, when he posted a 102.2 rating and had 3 more TD passes in 4 less games. But don't let that stop you, little guy...

Hmmm....

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Gerard > Lions entire depth chart at QB

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Manning, Schaub, Collins, and Gerard.

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Gerard: 7

Insulting me when you can't even get Garrard's name right. Who's little?

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The NFC East is also a good call- What about Romo, McNabb, Manning and Campbell are a pretty good group of QBs. A SB Champion and plenty of Pro Bowls as well.

That's 3 divisions better overall than the NFC North.

More than that!

AFC West, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassell both have a better winning percentage than Rodgers. Jamarcus Russell can throw it through a brick wall and of course Rivers is light years better than anything in the NFC North

NFC West, #1 overall draft pick, Alex Smith (and/or Shaun Hill) are excellent plus Smith was drafted higher than Rodgers & Cutler. Marc Bulger has at least 1 pro-bowl and Warner with Hass receive much better press than Rodgers.

That makes 5 divisions!!

Not sure about the NFC East. The Snyderskins have been trying to dump Campbell for months. McNabb is very good but IMHO not great. Manning is also good, but honestly, absent that white-hot run he had at the end of 2007, has he been anything better than decent? Romo is the most overrated QB in the NFL. He's at-best a poor man's Favre, but he always seems to choke in big games and seems to love 'the life' more than working.

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Jamarcus Russell can throw it through a brick wall

Wait until brick hands Heyward-Bey gets on the field.

You forgot the AFC North:

They have crash Roethlisberger, Brady (I can't beat out Derek Andersen) Quinn, Carson (I Haven't been the same since my knee and now I lost my best receiver) Palmer and Flacco.

The Bengals got Laverneus "I shoplift at the same place as Favre's sister" Coles to replace Who'shisdaddy.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Insulting me when you can't even get Garrard's name right. Who's little?

LOL... I am so owned by this.

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Romo is the most overrated QB in the NFL. He's at-best a poor man's Favre, but he always seems to choke in big games and seems to love 'the life' more than working.

What are you basing this on? That he dated Simpson? I don't think that's particularly fair. He's been a very productive player. This year will make or break him, though.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
The Bengals got Laverneus "I shoplift at the same place as Favre's sister" Coles to replace Who'shisdaddy.

Laveranues Coles

Owned..

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Originally posted by Music City:
There isn't one superstar in the group, so I say no.

The AFC South is the best, IMO- Manning, Schaub, Collins, and Gerard. They have the superstar in Manning, the young up and comer in Schaub, Collins is a winner, and Gerard is solid despite having a down year.

The AFC North is also pretty good: Roethlisberger, Flacco, Palmer, and Quinn/Anderson are better than the NFC North.

needed a good laugh.....comedy gold

Come on cop. Music is pure jenyus.

Nothing comedic about it. In comparing the divisions, that division is better than the NFC North.