How would you compare him, prospect-wise, to Tauscher? ...not a loaded question, just looking for an honest take on him
Tauscher had terrific instincts, very good feet and deceptive athleticism. Super smart. Plus he just knew how to play OL. Angles and leverage.
Havenstein is just a big lug as far as I'm concerned. Maybe after a couple years in the weight room he'd amount to something in the bigs but IMO was totally overrated at Madison.
Havenstein is grading out as a late third rounder/early fourth rounder which is about two rounds higher than he should be.
Are compensatory picks announced this week? I'm guessing we might get a pick for EDS, Jones and Newhouse maybe? But, since we signed Peppers do we lose one of those picks?
Packy, good news is Peppers doesn't count in that formula, as he was first cut, and therefore considered a "street" free agent.
Forgot about maybe a compensatory for C. J. Wilson too?
Was never all that impressed with Havenstein. He was a good college tackle but he never lived up to the hype. A lot of people threw around lofty terms and projected great things from the guy but I don't think he's a great athlete and despite his size he never overpowered people.
Doesn't mean he can't play at the next level but I am not expecting much
Doesn't mean he can't play at the next level but I am not expecting much
I like the Oklahoma tackles, Tyrus Thompson and Daryl Williams, as mid-rounders, or Darrian Miller from Kentucky a little later.
IMHO drafting a corner just became priority 1. Marcus Peters or Kevin Johnson are interesting guys according to this article. http://www.acmepackingcompany....nfl-free-agency-2015
Draft Johnson and send him to Don Bebee and teach him how to run faster.
Love Kevin Johnson but he's going to be long gone. Jalen Colins should be there. Might be able to trade back and get him at the top of round 2 if that's the direction TT wants to go. Still think Kendricks is the pick at ILB though.
Just remember that the Packers two starting corners from the Super Bowl year forward were undrafted free agents coming into the league. Draft/acquire young talent/develop. With arguably the most accomplished position coach on the team to groom and mentor.
Ted will make the right decision based on what he knows at the time. Be it in round 1 or elsewhere.
UConn CB Byron Jones in r2 will be a really good value. I had a weird hunch Casey Hayward would be a Packer a couple years ago and I have the same hunch about Jones. He has top 15 upside, but he's an unfinished product at this point and doesn't have the body of work you want from a 1st rounder. I got a Charles Tillman vibe from watching him.
Originally Posted by cuqui:
Just remember that the Packers two starting corners from the Super Bowl year forward were undrafted free agents coming into the league. Draft/acquire young talent/develop. With arguably the most accomplished position coach on the team to groom and mentor.
Ted will make the right decision based on what he knows at the time. Be it in round 1 or elsewhere.
Neither was expected to start outside on Day 1 either though.
Woodson was one of the starting corners for the year of the super bowl, he was both drafted and picked up as a free agent
Woodson was already at that time playing more of the joker roll (more of a riddler as in "where am I going to line up and what position will the offense see me in?") he did so well in. He was no longer playing exclusively on the boundary. Would have been fun to see him finish the SB.
Beat me to it, DH. More often than not undrafteds Tramon and Sam were the boundary corners and Chuck the slot CB/LB/Swiss army knife.
Anybody know if Frank Kaminsky has a 40 time? He'd match up well with taller receivers.
I'd like to propose a new word in the X4 lexicon - undrafTED
Originally Posted by DH13:
Woodson was already at that time playing more of the joker roll (more of a riddler as in "where am I going to line up and what position will the offense see me in?") he did so well in. He was no longer playing exclusively on the boundary. Would have been fun to see him finish the SB.
Using the Super Bowl as an example, why the heck would you line up the extremely raw Shields inside on a Santonio Holmes or a Hines Ward instead of trying to line him up on the fellow rookie, Mike Wallace, running more limited routes outside? Do you have something against hot, vet-on-vet action?
You mean other than the A/C being broken in your Chevette?
Charles Woodson will go down as the greatest free agent heist job in NFL history.
A 29 year old first ballot Hall of Famer that twisted on the free agent list for a month and ended up costing TT $6 million per season for the first three years. That's never happening again.
Was he a first ballot hall of famer at that point? My recollection was that he was kind of a risky free agent who was coming off a major injury (broken leg I think?), had a so-so reputation from his early career, and had high demands. There was a reason he only got 1 other major offer and it was to play Safety. I think teams thought he was at the end of the line honestly. It was a risky signing, but it turned out to be genius as Woodson was a perfect fit and he thrived.
He was. The only reason he ended up pissed off and available is because Bill Callahan was a colossal douchebag. Charles made 3 straight pro bowls in Oakland and was well on his way to Canton. He was Mr Football in Ohio before the Heisman. Watching Charles his first few seasons in Oakland you knew who the most talented guy on the field was. He was like that in GB as soon as he and Mike cleared the air and got on the same page. That guy was born to play football.
He was a shapeshifter that played above the game to an extent. He didn't just do one or a couple things really well, he was able to sabotage plays and create turnovers from more than one "position" on the field. For a brief period he and Capers were lovers.
Any of us who played competitive team sports have seen at least one player who, from the second he takes the field, the court, or the pitch just knows he is the best player out there. To me that was Woodson. Wasn't the biggest, the fastest, the strongest, but the most serenely confident in his own abilities and belief that he was going to best you in that contest.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/gree...-100-Charles-Woodson
Definitely in the conversation for one of his best individual plays ever.
Another good one.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Great link.
WE'RE SORRY, BUT THIS VIDEO IS NOT AVAILABLE.
Hmmm? Works for me. Swapped for the full link. Maybe a cut and paste into another window/tab?
In the second video, AJ Hawk jumps on Peterson's back (and does nothing) almost a full 4 seconds after Woodson wraps AP up.
You could say those 4 seconds represent the talent chasm between Charles and AJ, if one second of talent chasm was like 9 hours of real time.
I'm not ripping Woodson, he's one of my all time favorites, but I just don't remember him necessarily having a first ballot HOF resume before he got to GB. Pro Bowl caliber player definitely, but I don't think he actually hit the prime of his career until get to GB. I don't think Oakland ever really knew what to do with such an incredible athlete. We knew he was one of the top athletes in NFL history, but there were things he did in GB that no one knew he was capable of (except probably Woodson himself) as evidenced by those videos above.
Gruden knew exactly what to do with him. Tuck rule anyone? He was everywhere from 98 to 2001. Then Callahan happened.
Tend to agree with you, GD. Only caveat being that I didn't get to see Woodson that much in his first time around with the Raiders. No question he significantly impacted games more after his move to Green Bay. His ability to bait QBs was extraordinary, as well.
I can't believe there hasn't been a "Charles in Charge" reference yet. 
I have a near Pavlovian response to hearing "Charles in Charge," but instead of drooling, I feel compelled to google "Nichole Eggert" images from the good years.
then I drool.
Good years referring to BW?
and "Blown Away"
Packers' comp picks revealed.
@TomSilverstein: #Packers have received two sixth-round compensatory picks in the 2015 draft.
@TomSilverstein: The two compensatory picks are Nos. 210 and 212 overall for the #Packers.
@TomSilverstein: According to NFL, only EDS, James Jones and C.J. Wilson were considered in net loss. Newhouse was not included
@jasonjwilde: Only team better at it than #Packers. RT @Ravens: #Ravens have received three compensatory picks. Two fourth-rounders and a fifth-rounder.
@jasonjwilde: Since #NFL compensatory picks began in 1994, #Ravens have gotten the most, with 44. #Packers have second-most, with 35.
Go get 'em, Ted.
Some background from the JSO:
No compensatory pick can be higher than the last pick in the third round.
The Packers have all seven of their own picks. They will select 30th, 62nd and 94th. Their other selections will be affected by the number of compensatory picks the NFL hands out this year.
Among the players the Packers have selected with compensatory picks are TE Richard Rodgers (3rd, 2014), WR Jared Abbrederis (5th, 2014), DE Josh Boyd (5th, 2013), DE Mike Daniels (fourth, 2012), S Jeron McMillian (fourth, 2012), CB Davon House (fourth, 2011), Newhouse (fifth, 2010), and Josh Sitton (fourth, 2008).