Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

I like Cook but his combine performance was mediocre enough where I wouldn't use a top 16 pick on him.  If a guy is going that high he should be a big, talented back that has the ability to wear down a defense and if he's not that he should be Marshall Faulk-like talented.  4.49 in the 40 for a 210 pound back is very good but not exceptional.  30.5 vertical and 9'8" in the board jump are below average.  4.53 in the short shuttle and 7.27 in the 3 cone are poor numbers.  Everyone ragged on Fournette's poor 28.5 vertical, but it was only 2 inches less than Cook's and Forunette outweighed Cook by 30 pounds.  Cook should be in the bottom half of round one. 

Good thing for Cook that scouts actually watch the games.

Chris McCaffrey is 8 lbs lighter and ran .01 seconds faster in the 40, Cook had 22 reps on the bench (4th best), and his 3-cone time was 3rd best among RBs, as was his 20 yd shuttle. His broad and vertical were not great though. Hard to say where Cook will go, but if there was a team in the top 15 that was wanting to take him before the Combine I don't think his performance did anything to scare them away. The tape is there, the only thing that is possibly scaring teams is the interviews. His entourage is the only thing dragging him down.

Three years of tape > three cone drills. 

Here is what average combine numbers look like on an actual field against eventual national champion Clemson. 19 carries. 170 yards. 4 TDs. 

It's not like Clemson is lacking athletes or speed on defense either. They have plenty of both. 

But throw a cone or two on the field and I bet his stats would've gone way down.

News out of Washington pro day. Likely First round CB Sidney Jones suffered a "significant" lower leg injury. 

That really, really sucks. Sounded like a good kid. Loads of talent. Just hope it's something he can recover from completely and eventually make it to the NFL. 

Man that sucks. But could be a steal if he falls down the draft. 

Latest word is a torn Achilles. 

That's really bad, but someone will take a chance on him. Heck Jaylon Smith destroyed his knee and still got picked very early. Jones at his best isn't as talented as Smith was, but some team who can afford to be patient will take a chance on Day 2.

Jones appeared to be a pretty strong candidate for #29.  Big position of need for Green Bay and in Sam Seale territory. 

The Packers don't need a guy 3 years down the road. Jaylon Smith is damaged goods. It was a mistake for the Cowboys to draft him but Jerry don't give a ****.

I am not anywhere near what you would even call anything close to an evaluation type person.  I just use my eyeballs, so in the eyeball test,  peppers looked really good, and mcaffery looked really good.  again, just eyeballs, they popped off the screen.  both guys looked natural and looked good doing it.

"I am not anywhere near what you would even call anything close to an evaluation type person."

Hey, at least you admit it.

I like McCaffrey a lot because he is a decent runner and very good pass catcher and he graded out well athletically.   

That type of hybrid WR/RB is the new TE I think.  We saw this with our guy Montgomery and James White (among others).  Tough to game plan for on defense.  

I don't think Dalvin Cook makes it to #29 but even if he did I think Thompson would pass on him.  Last year we had the discussion on how Thompson hasn't used many pick on players with medical red flags after the Harrell debacle.  Thompson also seems to avoid players with big character red flags.  Cook has been arrested three times and for offenses that just don't look good on the resume (robbery, battery, weapon).  He has also had shoulder surgery on three different occasions.  Thompson also has a history of drafting bigger backs (Franklin was the obvious big exception) and Cook was only 210 at the combine.  Cook also has a reputation as a fumbler.  Running back is a big need area for Green Bay but the defense needs more immediate help than the offense.

I can see why Thompson did the due diligence on Cook.  Looks rock solid as a top 12-14 pick, but when examining the background there are things there that could cause him to slide down the board.

"Cook has been arrested three times and for offenses that just don't look good on the resume (robbery, battery, weapon).  He has also had shoulder surgery on three different occasions. "

Why would he be drafted in the first round? The NFL is ****ed up.

GBFanForLife posted:

"Cook has been arrested three times and for offenses that just don't look good on the resume (robbery, battery, weapon).  He has also had shoulder surgery on three different occasions. "

Why would he be drafted in the first round? The NFL is ****ed up.

In fairness to Cook he went to trial on the battery charge and was found not guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnUai-D6tjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh3Mobh4uxs

To be fair, he was found not guilty of battery and the "weapon" was a BB gun, which sounds more like him being an dumba$$ with really poor judgement than a criminal. He was charged with robbery as a juvenile though, that's no bueno. 

The most concerning, to me is that he was cited for mistreating three puppies. Had them chained up outside the house with no shelter when they were under a year old. 

Good summary of Cook's legal troubles:

http://clemson.247sports.com/B...a-long-ways-38177085

So, just your basic piece of **** and dumb. Sounds like a great first round pick.

Some guys I'd love to see #Packers target at #29/#61 and fit nicely..

OLBs: Tim Williams, Tak McKinley
CBs: Fabian Moreau, Gareon Conley

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) March 13, 2017

 I saw some mocks with GB picking either Taco or TJ. Taco was compared to Perry. TJ was already discussed here.

What do the other experts think?

I, for one, like tacos.  Any kind, Americanized with ground beef and tomatoes or the healthy kind with ground turkey.   The best is a carna asada street taco with cilantro, onion, and some tomatillo salsa.  

Even Taco Wallace?

McKinley is going to have (or has already had) shoulder surgery, recovery time 4-6 months. I am a little leery that Moreau is a first round player based on the fact that Pac 12 coaches thought he was only, at best, the 5th best CB in the Pac 12

michiganjoe posted:

Some guys I'd love to see #Packers target at #29/#61 and fit nicely..

OLBs: Tim Williams, Tak McKinley
CBs: Fabian Moreau, Gareon Conley

— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) March 13, 2017

I think Tim Williams is out.  Character concerns.  Also size concerns.  Lots of reports that his playing weight was sub-240.  Did show up at the combine at 244 but could he maintain that through a NFL season?  I think he's out at #29 and I'm not even sure Thompson would take him at #61 if he was available.

Last year we had the discussion on how Thompson has largely avoided guys with medical concerns.  Someone (can't remember who, sorry) came up with Datko (shoulder) and he was a late round flyer selection.  Thompson has a long track record in Green Bay and he doesn't have a history of taking players coming off a surgery.  Thompson also likes those agility drills and McKinley's results there weren't good.  The 7.48 in the three cone wasn't terrible but wasn't great for a player of his size (T.J. Watt = 6.79, Jordan Willis = 6.85, Trey Hendrickson = 7.03, Josh Carraway = 7.20, Tarell Basham = 7.27).  And the 4.62 short shuttle number is terrible for a 250 pound 3-4 OLB.  316 pound defensive tackle Jaleel Johnson got slammed for poor aspects of his workouts (5.38 40 time), and he posted the same 4.62 short shuttle that McKinley did.

Moreau and Conley both seem to be right up Ted's alley.  Tall and fast, just the way Ted likes his cornerbacks.

And don't forget, Ted loves athletes on defense.

One thing I'd like to see in a corner drafted is a true 6' or better height. Even if Randall and Rollins come around, neither have the desired length. 

My first wish is for Watt: Pass rusher, fewer questions, etc. and Moreau if he's there in the second. 

I'm sure they have teh length you desire. 

Very good article;

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/p...-nfl-draft-big-board

McShart latest mock has Packers taking Ohio State CB Gareon Conley at #29, based largely on his speed and size.

He projects the Steelers to take UCLA OLB/DE Takkarist McKinley at #30.

If McKinley is there when the Packers draft, I don't see him not going there. They have an OLB need with Datone now gone, TT loves UCLA guys, and I think he's the top OLB in the draft.

But the shoulder injury will keep TT from picking him. Since Justin Harrell, he stays away from the injured.

I'd love that draft...

A word of caution from Ben Fennell on TJWatt:

Joe Williams from Utah is the RB who intrigues me. He abruptly quit football for 4 games in the middle of this last season and still rushed for over 1,400 yards. His second game back from, "retirement" he ran for 332 yds. against UCLA. He also rushed for 222 yds. against Indiana in Utah's bowl game. He didn't catch many passes in college so I'm not sure how good his hands are. He has the speed to be a home run hitter and he plays bigger than he is. He's also supposedly a pretty good blocker and likes to deliver a blow when he carries the ball. I'm not sure where his head is at or how committed he is to football but I wouldn't mind picking him up if everything checks out and he's available when the value warrants. He's 5'-11", 210 lbs. and he ran a 4.41 40 which was the 2nd fastest time for RB's at the combine. I have a funny feeling he is someone Ted has his eye on.

Adoree Jackson has the fastest 40 time of any of the CB prospects in the draft (at least according to this website)

I can't see the fastest CB in the draft lasting until when the Packers draft in the 1st round, let along lasting until the end of Round 2. The one thing against him seems to be he has trouble playing the ball in the air.

After last year, it's clear they need to add speed at the CB position (and House doesn't help there). At least if a CB is fast, it forces an acrobatic catch over him (rather than just running in the clear like we saw too many times last year).

Adoree' Jackson*, CB, USC
Height: 5-11. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round (2017): 1-2.
3/4/17: Jackson put together an electric 2016 season for USC with 55 tackles with 11 passes broken up and five interceptions. He also returned two kickoffs and two punts for touchdowns in 2016 along with a touchdown reception on offense. Jackson has given the NFL proof that he is a serious cover-corner prospect for the 2017 NFL Draft. He does have problems with defending receptions over him and gave up a few touchdowns on those kinds of plays.

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draf...#xOm2xHL1KVmZVAux.99

Pittsburgh GM Kevin Colbert and HC Mike Tomlin took TJ Watt and Vince Biegel to dinner last night before WI pro day. Pitt is very serious about trying to draft one of them. Possibly both. 

Biegel is going to be a steal for someone

I've seen Jackson as high as 15 & as low as 64 on different draft boards. Hard to say where he will go, but I agree, unlikely that he would be there for our second round. May be enough more polished CBs ahead of him for him to go in the First though.

The thing with Jackson is that 5'11" is a Russell Wilson 6'. 

I watch too much USC football. My son and I catch every game. 

Adoree is a special athlete. He ran a 4.41 at the combine but he can run faster than that. I think he's easily got a 4.35 or faster in him. He suffered a nasty ankle injury late in the 3rd quarter of the Rose Bowl and I don't think it's completely healed. 

But he's raw at corner. If the expectation is him coming in as the number 1 corner he's going through a steep learning curve. He'll make some plays but he's going to give up his share against elite NFL recievers. He's not as clean and polished like Sidney Jones and Conley. 

With the right coaching and patience his ceiling is crazy good. He's absolutely got the athleticism to become the best DB in this draft. But it's got to be the right system and he's not going to look like the best DB in this draft in 2017. If he works and listens and learns he'll be really good. 

The one thing no one can question on his first day in the NFL is that he's electric with the ball in his hands and a little open space. 

MichiganPacker posted:

Adoree Jackson has the fastest 40 time of any of the CB prospects in the draft (at least according to this website)

According to the official NFL combine stats, Adoree actually had the 7th fastest 40 time for CB's at the combine. He ran a 4.42 which is still plenty fast. Jalen Myrick from Minnesota had the fastest CB 40 at 4.28 and Fabian Moreau from UCLA ran a 4.35. Gareon Conley from Ohio state who I've seen mentioned as a possibility for the Pack ran a 4.44.

Interesting mock draft for the Pack

http://lombardiave.com/2017/03...en-round-mock-draft/

That is an interesting mock draft.  I had the same projection with three of the top four picks back as the beginning of February:

https://packers.timesfour.com/t...iction-thread?page=1

But currently I don't think Thompson would take Dorian Johnson in the first two rounds.  He isn't a ex-left tackle, isn't a short-armed trench-battler that Thompson seems to prefer on the inside and Johnson performed pretty badly in the agility drills at the combine.  If Thompson doesn't take an offensive lineman in round one it will be difficult to find value at that position in the next two rounds because offensive line in this draft is terrible.   

Post-combine five-round value board.  Some guys didn't move as much as expected (T.J. Watt), some did make pretty big moves (Fabian Moreau).  And then there is Sidney Jones who nobody knows what to do with right now (dropped to early second).  I would think he'd be fourth round but after Jaylon Smith last year, who knows?

Non-adjusted concensus board compiled from a bunch of different sources (CBS Sports, ESPN, NFL.com, etc).

QB:

1. Mitchell Trubisky/North Carolina – mid first
2. Deshaun Watson/Clemson – mid first
3. DeShone Kizer/Notre Dame – early second
4. Patrick Mahomes/Texas Tech – early second
5. Brad Kaaya/Miami, Fl – mid third
6. Davis Webb/California – mid third
7. Nathan Peterman/Pittsburgh – late third
8. Chad Kelly/Mississippi – early fifth
9. Joshua Dobbs/Tennessee – early fifth

RB:

1. Leonard Fournette/Louisiana State – early first
2. Dalvin Cook/Florida State – early first
3. Christian McCaffrey/Stanford – late first
4. Alvin Kamara/Tennessee – early second
5. Joe Mixon/Oklahoma – late second
6. D’Onta Foreman/Texas – mid third
7. Marlon Mack/South Florida – late third
8. Jeremy McNichols/Boise State – early fourth
9. Samaje Perine/Oklahoma – early fourth
10. Wayne Gallman/Clemson – mid fourth
11. Kareem Hunt/Toledo – late fourth
12. Brian Hill/Wyoming – early fifth
13. Jamaal Williams/Brigham Young – mid fifth
14. De’Veon Smith/Michigan – late fifth

WR:

1. Corey Davis/Western Michigan – early first
2. Mike Williams/Clemson – mid first
3. John Ross/Washington – mid first
4. Curtis Samuel/Ohio State – mid second
5. JuJu Smith-Schuster/Southern California – late second
6. Zay Jones/East Carolina – late second
7. ArDarius Stewart/Alabama – early third
8. Chris Godwin/Penn State – early third
9. Cooper Kupp/Eastern Washington – early third
10. Chad Hansen/California – late third
11. Malachi Dupre/Louisiana State – late third
12. Carlos Henderson/Louisiana Tech – late third
13. Dede Westbrook/Oklahoma – early fourth
14. Taywan Taylor/Western Kentucky – early fourth
15. Amara Darboh/Michigan – mid fourth
16. Isaiah Ford/Virginia Tech – mid fourth
17. Shelton Gibson/West Virginia – late fourth
18. Noah Brown/Ohio State – late fourth
19. Josh Reynolds/Texas A&M – late fourth
20. Travin Dural/Louisiana State – early fifth
21. Travis Rudolph/Florida State – mid fifth
22. Mack Hollins/North Carolina – mid fifth
23. Kenny Golladay/Northern Illinois – mid fifth

TE:

1. O.J. Howard/Alabama – early first
2. David Njoku/Miami, Fl – mid first
3. Evan Engram/Mississippi – early second
4. Bucky Hodges/Virginia Tech – mid second
5. Gerald Everett/South Alabama – late second
6. Adam Shaheen/Ashland – late second
7. Jake Butt/Michigan – mid third
8. Jordan Leggett/Clemson – late third
9. Jeremy Sprinkle/Arkansas – mid fourth
10. Michael Roberts/Toledo – mid fifth

OT:

1. Ryan Ramczyk/Wisconsin – mid first
2. Garett Bolles/Utah – late first
3. Cam Robinson/Alabama – late first
4. Taylor Moton/Western Michigan – early third
5. Antonio Garcia/Troy – early third
6. Will Holden/Vanderbilt – late third
7. Roderick Johnson/Florida State – late third
8. Adam Bisnowaty/Pittsburgh – early fourth
9. Chad Wheeler/Southern California – late fourth
10. Conor McDermott/UCLA – early fifth
11. Erik Magnuson/Michigan – mid fifth
12. J.J. Dielman/Utah – mid fifth
13. Julien Davenport/Bucknell – late fifth

OG:

1. Forrest Lamp/Western Kentucky – late first
2. Dan Feeney/Indiana – mid second
3. Dion Dawkins/Temple – mid second
4. Dorian Johnson/Pittsburgh – mid second
5. Zach Banner/Southern California – mid third
6. Nico Siragusa/San Diego State – late third
7. Danny Isidora/Miami, Fl – mid fourth
8. Isaac Asiata/Utah – mid fourth
9. David Sharpe/Florida – mid fourth
10. Jessamen Dunker/Tennessee State – early fifth
11. Collin Buchanan/Miami, OH – mid fifth
12. Jordan Morgan/Kutztown, Pa – late fifth
13. Damien Mama/Southern California – late fifth

C:

1. Pat Elflein/Ohio State – early third
2. Ethan Pocic/Louisiana State – mid third
3. Tyler Orlosky/West Virginia – early fourth
4. Kyle Fuller/Baylor – late fourth

DE:

1. Myles Garrett/Texas A&M – early first
2. Solomon Thomas/Stanford – early first
3. Derek Barnett/Tennessee – mid first
4. Taco Charlton/Michigan – mid first
5. Charles Harris/Missouri – early second
6. Carl Lawson/Auburn – mid second
7. DeMarcus Walker/Florida State – early third
8. Tarell Basham/Ohio – early third
9. Jordan Willis/Kansas State – early third
10. Derek Rivers/Youngstown State – late third
11. Daeshon Hall/Texas A&M – late third
12. Tanoh Kpassagnon/Villanova – early fourth
13. Trey Hendrickson/Florida Atlantic – early fourth
14. Keionta Davis/Tennessee-Chattanooga – early fifth
15. Dawuane Smoot/Illinois – early fifth
16. Hunter Dimick/Utah – late fifth
17. Avery Moss/Youngstown State – late fifth

DT:

1. Jonathan Allen/Alabama – early first
2. Malik McDowell/Michigan State – late first
3. Caleb Brantley/Florida – early second
4. Chris Wormley/Michigan – early third
5. Larry Ogunjobi/North Carolina-Charlotte – early third
6. Montravius Adams/Auburn – mid third
7. Elijah Qualls/Washington – mid third
8. Carlos Watkins/Clemson – mid third
9. Dalvin Tomlinson/Alabama – late third
10. Jaleel Johnson/Iowa – early fourth
11. Eddie Vanderdoes/UCLA – mid fourth
12. Jarron Jones/Notre Dame – mid fourth
13. D.J. Jones/Mississippi – late fourth
14. Nazair Jones/North Carolina – late fourth
15. Vincent Taylor/Oklahoma State – late fourth
16. Isaac Rochell/Notre Dame – late fourth
17. Ryan Glasgow/Michigan – early fifth
18. Charles Walker/Oklahoma – early fifth
19. Davon Godchaux/Louisiana State – mid fifth
20. Steve Tu’ikolovatu/Southern California – late fifth
21. Tanzel Smart/Tulane – late fifth

OLB:

1. Haason Reddick/Temple – mid first
2. Takkarist McKinley/UCLA – late first
3. Tim Williams/Alabama – late first
4. T.J. Watt/Wisconsin – early second
5. Ryan Anderson/Alabama – late second
6. Tyus Bowser/Houston – mid third
7. Duke Riley/Louisiana State – late third
8. Alex Anzalone/Florida – late third
9. Carroll Phillips/Illinois – mid fourth
10. Vince Biegel/Wisconsin – early fifth
11. Noble Nwachukwu/West Virginia – mid fifth
12. Elijah Lee/Kansas State – mid fifth
13. Devonte Fields/Louisville – late fifth
14. Ejuan Price/Pittsburgh – late fifth

ILB:

1. Reuben Foster/Alabama – early first
2. Zach Cunningham/Vanderbilt – late first
3. Jarrad Davis/Florida – early second
4. Raekwon McMillan/Ohio State – early third
5. Anthony Walker Jr./Northwestern – early fourth
6. Kendell Beckwith/Louisiana State – early fourth
7. Connor Harris/Lindenwood – mid fifth
8. Blair Brown/Ohio – late fifth

CB:

1. Marshon Lattimore/Ohio State – early first
2. Marlon Humphrey/Alabama – mid first
3. Teez Tabor/Florida – late first
4. TreDavious White/Louisiana State – late first
5. Sidney Jones/Washington – early second
6. Gareon Conley/Ohio State – early second
7. Adoree’ Jackson/Southern California – mid second
8. Cordrea Tankersley/Clemson – mid second
9. Chidobe Awuzie/Colorado – mid second
10. Quincy Wilson/Florida – late second
11. Fabian Moreau/UCLA – late second
12. Jourdan Lewis/Michigan – late second
13. Kevin King/Washingon – early third
14. Cameron Sutton/Tennessee – early third
15. Ahkello Witherspoon/Colorado – mid third
16. Rasul Douglas/West Virginia – mid third
17. Desmond King/Iowa – mid third
18. Howard Wilson/Houston – mid fourth
19. Jalen Myrick/Minnesota – mid fourth
20. Damontae Kazee/San Diego State – late fourth
21. William Likely/Maryland – early fifth
22. Corn Elder/Miami, Fl – late fifth
23. Marquez White/Florida State – late fifth

S:

1. Jamal Adams/Louisiana State – early first
2. Malik Hooker/Ohio State – early first
3. Jabrill Peppers/Michigan – late first
4. Budda Baker/Washington – early second
5. Obi Melifonwu/Connecticut – mid second
6. Josh Jones/North Carolina State – late second
7. Marcus Williams/Utah – late second
8. Marcus Maye/Florida – mid third
9. Justin Evans/Texas A&M – mid third
10. Eddie Jackson/Alabama – early fourth
11. John Johnson/Boston College – mid fourth
12. Josh Harvey-Clemons/Louisville – late fourth
13. Tedric Thompson/Colorado – early fifth
14. Rayshawn Jenkins/Miami, Fl – mid fifth
15. Lorenzo Jerome/Saint Francis, Pa – mid fifth

Just me.

This is a year in which I would really like if TT would consider trading down. There are a lot of value picks on the second day.