@Pikes Peak posted:Would Love then be pissed?
Yes! He will holdout the next offseason and say all kinds of stupid shit about the next ebola outbreak.
@Chongo posted:This kid will be a fast riser after the combine when he clocks a ridiculous 40.
Right now he's projected as a 3rd-5th rounder...I could see him moving to high to mid-2nd with a great combine and pro day.
Brings a very good skillset to the table, would be nice insurance if we lose Savage or Amos...I think he's athletic enough to play the star position also.
The guy I like who will probably climb into Day 2 is Erik Ezukanma. Watch the two plays against Texas starting at about :50 for some really good body control, then at 3:33 for a play which he very nicely screens the defender behind him to pull in somewhat of a desperation pass. He also adjusts fluidly to spot passes.
Mock drafts—-as useless as Russian promises.
@Blair Kiel posted:Mock drafts—-as useless as Russian promises.
Just trying to add to the convo Kiel.
I enjoy the mock drafts, if nothing else to see how rong these experts are after the fact.
Question for Kiper...how does a guy who blew his ACL in January and likely not even play in 2022 help Aaron Rodgers? Fucking moran.
I wouldn’t let any instance turn me off from taking the guy I feel is right. Not saying I’d take him or not. Just that if you let that stuff impact you (letting a guy go you feel you should take), he may go to Detroit and hit you for 150 yards and 2 TDs every game. Would it be worth it then? Gotta take the right guy for you 🙂
Olave is going to be a great NFL WR I think...remind me a lot of OBJ coming out of college. Not sure he's going to fall to 28 though, or even so, the Packers would take him at that spot.
Ohio State WR Chris Olave said he had a great meeting with the Packers on Monday evening. Said there was "great energy" in the meeting and he would love to be a part of a legendary organization.
— Packers coverage by Acme Packing Co. (@acmepackingco) March 2, 2022
Watching the highlites he makes a pretty good adjustment to where the ball is thrown. I only saw 1 end around. Is he strictly a WR or is he big and strong enough to develope into a Deebo type role?
@ammo posted:Watching the highlites he makes a pretty good adjustment to where the ball is thrown. I only saw 1 end around. Is he strictly a WR or is he big and strong enough to develope into a Deebo type role?
I see a ton of OSU games and he is not the take a hand off or sweep to run the ball and is not the biggest dude. I honestly do not remember him running the ball at OSU but they typically don't run the WR that much. I would think of him more of a Donald Driver type. Not the biggest, fast but not a burner, and will catch anything thrown his way, and a very high character kid.
You want a guy more like Deebo, draft Maryland TE Okonkwo...he's bigger than Deebo, but a more athletic Deguara...and be used as a TE/HB/FB can take snaps like a RB. Not quite as fast as Deebo, but he is going to be a playmaker.
Big tough agile guy with good hands. What's not to like.
That’s on my dating app.
Mrs.Kiel unamused.
If you're wiping left, you need to go back to kindergarten
@Chongo posted:
Cool video.
Until I heard Gus Johnson yelling something.
Which was a little over a minute into the video.
Vastly under-utilized in Chip Kelly's offense, the top athlete at TE in the draft. If he were at a school that uses TE a lot like Iowuh he would be a first rounder IMO.
@PackLandVA posted:Cool video.
Until I heard Gus Johnson yelling something.
Which was a little over a minute into the video.
Not going to be that wide open in the NFL.
@Harry Manback posted:Not going to be that wide open in the NFL.
Alan Lazard, after the 4th quarter of the NFC Divisional game, would disagree.
Top skill performers today...Memphis WR Calvin Austin III (my favorite day 2 WR) ran a 4.32 40, UCLA TE Greg Dulcich ran a 4.61 40 and Virginia TE Jelani Woods who at 6'7" ran a 4.61 40.
Maryland "TE" Chigi Okonkwo had the fastest 40 of TE at 4.52...the same as George Kittle, however, he only measured in at 6'2".
Austin is dynamite, but at 5'8" I think a number of teams will shy away.
Bo Melton also ran great. While I didn't buy the late 7 a lot of mock sites have him at, he was a guy I was hoping Green Bay might take a look at on Day 3 as a "MVS-type who has experience returning kicks/punts". He also came in shorter than expected at 5'11" though.
Christian Watson surprised me as he's a taller receiver and he was one of the eight sub-4.4 guys.
Erik Ezukanma didn't run the 40, but speed isn't an issue for him. I would have liked to see Jeremy Ruckert's 40, as well, since he might be the closest thing to a Gronkowski-type TE.
David Bell isn't a speedster, but that 4.65 has got to hurt a lot.
I think Olave is one of the safer prospects in the draft. He checks all the boxes and might be the most pro ready guy in that group.
Jahan Dotson is intriguing as well. Yes, he’s only about 5’10” and 175, but he’s quick and explosive and could be an elite RAC type guy in this offense. In just about every Penn State game he seemed like the guy to watch.
Fastest WR class ever tested at the combine yesterday...RIDICULOUS numbers...
These are all official numbers
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor, 6'2, 181 - 4.28
Velus Jones, Tennessee, 6', 204 - 4.31
Calvin Austin III, Memphis, 5'8, 170 - 4.32
Danny Gray, SMU, 6', 186 - 4.33
Bo Melton, Rutgers, 5'11, 189 - 4.34
Christian Watson, NDSU, 6'4, 208 - 4.36
Garrett Wilson, Ohio St, 6', 183 - 4.38
Chris Olave, Ohio St, 6', 187 - 4.39
7 other guys sub 4.45 also
Thornton is basically MVS with better balls skills/hands...he may well move up into late 1st/early 2nd
Velus Jones gives me Deebo Samuel vibes...if he doesn't end up a 49er I'd guess he will end up a Dolphin.
Christian Watson seriously helped himself...could be the target for Packers at 28...
Want to replace Marcedes Lewis? Draft this guy...
@Chongo posted:Fastest WR class ever tested at the combine yesterday...RIDICULOUS numbers...
These are all official numbers
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor, 6'2, 181 - 4.28
Velus Jones, Tennessee, 6', 204 - 4.31
Calvin Austin III, Memphis, 5'8, 170 - 4.32
Danny Gray, SMU, 6', 186 - 4.33
Bo Melton, Rutgers, 5'11, 189 - 4.34
Christian Watson, NDSU, 6'4, 208 - 4.36
Garrett Wilson, Ohio St, 6', 183 - 4.38
Chris Olave, Ohio St, 6', 187 - 4.397 other guys sub 4.45 also
Thornton is basically MVS with better balls skills/hands...he may well move up into late 1st/early 2nd
Velus Jones gives me Deebo Samuel vibes...if he doesn't end up a 49er I'd guess he will end up a Dolphin.Christian Watson seriously helped himself...could be the target for Packers at 28...
Isn't the Alabama kid with the ACL super fast as well?
Yeah, no thank you to drafting him anywhere before the 6th round. If Ted were around, he'd take him.
@Chongo posted:Fastest WR class ever tested at the combine yesterday...RIDICULOUS numbers...
These are all official numbers
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor, 6'2, 181 - 4.28
Velus Jones, Tennessee, 6', 204 - 4.31
Calvin Austin III, Memphis, 5'8, 170 - 4.32
Danny Gray, SMU, 6', 186 - 4.33
Bo Melton, Rutgers, 5'11, 189 - 4.34
Christian Watson, NDSU, 6'4, 208 - 4.36
Garrett Wilson, Ohio St, 6', 183 - 4.38
Chris Olave, Ohio St, 6', 187 - 4.397 other guys sub 4.45 also
Thornton is basically MVS with better balls skills/hands...he may well move up into late 1st/early 2nd
Velus Jones gives me Deebo Samuel vibes...if he doesn't end up a 49er I'd guess he will end up a Dolphin.Christian Watson seriously helped himself...could be the target for Packers at 28...
MVS ran a 4.37, so several of these guys are significantly faster.
The fastest player the Packers have had in the Favre/Rodgers era was Bill Schroeder who ran a 4.26.
The guy that looked the fastest on the field was Sam Shields, who ran a 4.26 at Miami and a 4.30 at the combine
Of the guys that ran at the combine, these are the other sub 4.4 guys. The fact that Carroll and Clowney are on this list shows you 40 times aren't everything.
https://thepowersweep.com/blog...press-3-cone-shuttle
- Ahmad Carroll - CB - 4.34
- Nick Collins - S - 4.36
- David Clowney - WR - 4.36
- Javon Walker - WR - 4.38
- Terrence Murphy - WR - 4.38
On the flip side, here's what I found for the Packers WRs who've been Pro Bowl level in that same era (other than Walker).
Davonte Adams 4.56
Jordy Nelson 4.51
Cobb 4.46
James Jones 4.59
Robert Brooks 4.64 (this shocked me when I looked it up)
Freeman (N/A - wouldn't run for a time?)
Driver 4.45
Some other guys
Lazard 4.55
ESB 4.48
Cooper Kupp ran a 4.61, Deebo Samuel 4.48.
The interesting thing is that if you look the HOF WRs from the last 40 years, they are all over the place for 40 times. If you were looking as this as a measure of who was truly going to be great, it probably has very little correlation at all.
Moss 4.25
Lofton (probably a sub 4.30)
Calvin Johnson 4.35
Harrison 4.38
Tim Brown 4.39
Andre Reed around 4.45
Terrell Owens 4.45
Art Monk 4.45
Isaac Bruce 4.48
Cris Carter 4.63
Larry Fitzgerald 4.63 (not HOF yet, but a shoo-in)
Jerry Rice 4.71
Anquan Boldin 4.71 (will likely eventually get in)
Speed isn't the end all be all...a very wise and rough-around-the-edged WR coach once said to one of our extremely fast kids who couldn't run a route, or catch over his shoulder "so you got a big dick son! Whatcha gonna do wit it?!"
It took MVS 3 years to show he was more than just speed.
Jordy Nelson 4.51
Tell that to all the DB's who had their jocks blown off.
Jerry Rice 40...4.71 seconds
It's not how fast you run in underwear, it's how fast you run with 20lbs of gear on, and get in and out of routes.
That said...you can't coach speed...if you start with that, and the guy takes to coaching, he can be great.
Jordy was as close to NFL-ready as you can get from a college kid...but he was making guys look ridiculous when he was at K-State.
@Chongo posted:Fastest WR class ever tested at the combine yesterday...RIDICULOUS numbers...
These are all official numbers
Tyquan Thornton, Baylor, 6'2, 181 - 4.28
Velus Jones, Tennessee, 6', 204 - 4.31
Calvin Austin III, Memphis, 5'8, 170 - 4.32
Danny Gray, SMU, 6', 186 - 4.33
Bo Melton, Rutgers, 5'11, 189 - 4.34
Christian Watson, NDSU, 6'4, 208 - 4.36
Garrett Wilson, Ohio St, 6', 183 - 4.38
Chris Olave, Ohio St, 6', 187 - 4.397 other guys sub 4.45 also
Thornton is basically MVS with better balls skills/hands...he may well move up into late 1st/early 2nd
Velus Jones gives me Deebo Samuel vibes...if he doesn't end up a 49er I'd guess he will end up a Dolphin.Christian Watson seriously helped himself...could be the target for Packers at 28...
Bears have met twice with Watson.
@Chongo posted:Jerry Rice 40...4.71 seconds
It's not how fast you run in underwear, it's how fast you run with 20lbs of gear on, and get in and out of routes.
That said...you can't coach speed...if you start with that, and the guy takes to coaching, he can be great.
Jordy was as close to NFL-ready as you can get from a college kid...but he was making guys look ridiculous when he was at K-State.
Jordy was the one guy in college who made Aqib Talib look bad.
@GBFanForLife posted:Jordy Nelson 4.51
Tell that to all the DB's who had their jocks blown off.
Game speed and underwear olympics speed do not always correlate. I hate the combine with a passion.
@BrainDed posted:Game speed and underwear olympics speed do not always correlate. I hate the combine with a passion.
Why? It's another tool in scouting. It does a couple of things:
1. Does what you see in drills line up with what you see in games?
2. Directly compare athleticism on an even playing field.
It gives us more insight into a player's position, but it confirms team scouts' observations.
Say you're a team looking at WR in the mid-first. You have Garrett Wilson over Drake London on your board, but it's close. London has better size, but you feel Wilson has an advantage in speed. Wilson runs a 4.38 40 and points to your observation being correct. If both are on the board and there's no trade offer knocking your socks off, the pick is still Wilson over London. Maybe if London ran a blazing 40 he could have made it tougher, but I doubt he would have run it that fast.
If Wilson runs (relatively) poorly, you go back to the tape, notes and interviews to see if you missed something.
Conversely, if a guy runs much better than you thought, you may go back and re-evaluate what you have on him. The combine alone didn't "make" his value, but it may force scouts to take another look at a guy and possibly adjust their grade on him.
I know he's athletic for a big man but Jordan Davis running a 4.82 edit: Officially 4.78! at 340#? Wow!
Travis Jones and Devonte Wyatt also moving great at well over 300#.
Perrion Winfrey, a guy I think the Packers could be looking at at #28, ran well too. Looked to pull up late in the 40, unfortunately, but still ran a 4.86. Winfrey, Myjai Sanders or Boye Mafe are the three guys I think Green Bay may look at for #28.
Nik Bonitto in this group is really weird. He's 60# lighter than most guys.
Wow, Myjai Sanders has lost about 15# since the Senior Bowl. That's a lot in less than a month. He ran well and all, but down to 228# is really light for a 3-4 OLB. He's better than Amare Barno but he's now a similar size.
Channing Tindall 42" vertical! Hot damn.