Packers Corp never announced the signing of Charles Woodson.
Dying for clicks
Better than crying for dicks!
Chase Young for a prove it deal might work.
He seems upset.
He ain't wrong.
Entitled Town.
Whoâs Taysom Wajeesh?
Who's more annoying, Watson's Dad or Gerg Jennings Sister?
Yes.
Looking forward to Watsonâs dad demanding that his son be the highest paid WR in the league IF/when Christian recovers from his ACL sometime late next season.
Watsons dad speaks the truth but honestly is there any fan base that does not do exactly that. Cut and paste that comment for any team out there.
"is not even expected to compete" is never a thought in green bay, especially the past 33 years
The prior year this team was minutes away from going to the NFC CG
@WolfPack posted:"is not even expected to compete" is never a thought in green bay, especially the past 33 years
The prior year this team was minutes away from going to the NFC CG
Lots of folks thought they could compete as posted in this thread
2024 opponents & Predictions
@WolfPack posted:"is not even expected to compete" is never a thought in green bay, especially the past 33 years
The prior year this team was minutes away from going to the NFC CG
I know I had high expectations ðĪ·ðŧ
Watson = MVS. I doubt his 2nd contact is in GB unless it's team friendly
Donât care how fast you are if you canât stay on the field itâs useless. Right now Watson is that guy. More potential than MVS but significantly less reliable.
Also Pops Watson suffers from some sort of mental illness. Let him scream at the clouds.
He's as vague as Boris. Maybe Boris can translate.
@Floridarob posted:Watsons dad speaks the truth but honestly is there any fan base that does not do exactly that. Cut and paste that comment for any team out there.
There is truth in what he says, and you are correct any fanbase does that for sure. Are we spoiled and some of us entitled as fans? oh absolutely we are but when our team for the majority of the last 30+ years has had some very good teams there will be expectations that come with it.
I feel badly for Watson (especially with the ACL) and I think he has had some really bad luck with injuries. I obviously know nothing behind the scenes, but I do question if he could have played in some games that he has missed.
Behind a paywall, but according to Pete, this is the FA pass rusher that fits GB the best. Milton (Milty?!) fits both the right age, the right upside, and also won't cost a ton if the Packers pursue him.
Gives me Zadarius vibes (hopefully Milty has the right attitude) when Gute signed him off the Ravens. Smith was also a part-time pass rusher who was behind a talented DL with the Ravens at the time Gute snagged him.
Milton Williams, Philadelphia Eagles
If Gutekunst thinks he can get more bang for the free-agent buck from an inside rusher, Williams is probably the guy whoâd interest him most. The Eaglesâ free agent is young enough (26 in April) and coming off a season in which he had seven sacks in 21 games (playoffs included). He also finished third on the Eagles in pressures, behind Carter and Sweat.
Williams has been a part-time player and mainly a pass rusher whoâs never played even 50% of the Eaglesâ defensive snaps in a season. But his performance last season and in the playoffs could easily land him a contract in the range of $15 million a year.
âMiltonâs intriguing,â one of the scouts said. âHe made plays for them, especially this year. He's essentially a backup for them, but he makes more plays than Jordan Davis. He deserves to be a starter, he deserves to get the money heâs going to get. I think heâll be a good player, not one of those guys that made plays and then you pay him and heâs nothing.â
Myles Garrett, Maxx Crosby, Josh Sweat pass rushers Packers may pursue
He doesn't start because he is awful vs the run
PFF RUN DEFENSE GRADE
43.1
167th of 219 DIs
@FLPACKER posted:He doesn't start because he is awful vs the run
PFF RUN DEFENSE GRADE43.1167th of 219 DIs
There are plenty of good pass rushers across the league who aren't that great against the run so I am not sure that would be a deal breaker for Gute. It's much harder to find a guy who can pressure the QB on passing downs, shed his blocker and get to the QB. Right now, LVN is the opposite. He's been better against the run and can't seem to get to the QB.
Gute might also feel more comfortable pursuing a guy like WIlliams knowing Edge Cooper, Kenny Clark, and Gary are also along that DL to shore up the run defense.
Canât stop it ban it.
They should return to not helping their teammates gain yardage. Remember this scene? Chuck Mercein said he didn't want to draw a penalty so he threw his arms in the air. I don't mind so much the scrums that happen when say an RB gets held up by the D and then the OL comes in to push the whole pile forward, but the tush push is more rugby than football. Three yards and a pile of players. At this point, what's to prevent two-thirds or a whole drive of only tush pushes?
@Boris posted:
That's Mark Murphy pushing that. I heard the snippet a few weeks.
The irony? Apparently the owners like Mark a lot and tend to listen to him. So don't be shocked if it actually gets banned.
I see nothing wrong with the tush push. You donât like it figure out how to stop it.
for a sneak you got 6 guys pushing back a qb twisting and turning so that an idiot ref calls the Qb short like when the Chiefs supposedly stopped Josh Allen short.
The sneak turns into a scrum many times so why not let both sides do it.
Can Murphy tell the other owners to put up sledding hills at their stadia?
@Fandame posted:At this point, what's to prevent two-thirds or a whole drive of only tush pushes?
Oh no, not that.
@Chongo posted:Donât care how fast you are if you canât stay on the field itâs useless. Right now Watson is that guy. More potential than MVS but significantly less reliable.
Also Pops Watson suffers from some sort of mental illness. Let him scream at the clouds.
Agree. He's got more value than MVS but not much. Watson is a great kid, the kind of guy you want on your team. The problem is he isn't built for this game like the true freaks. He struggles with catching balls that are above his head and he is constantly dealing with soft tissue issues.
I feel bad for him but that's just the way his career is going to play out. Wish it wasn't so because he appears to be an all star human.
Oh yeah, didn't he have a super annoying sister too? One that Beef would be drooling over? So he has Jennings beat in that department at least.
He'll need to decide between hitting that and taking a hit.
@Fandame posted:They should return to not helping their teammates gain yardage. Remember this scene? Chuck Mercein said he didn't want to draw a penalty so he threw his arms in the air. I don't mind so much the scrums that happen when say an RB gets held up by the D and then the OL comes in to push the whole pile forward, but the tush push is more rugby than football. Three yards and a pile of players. At this point, what's to prevent two-thirds or a whole drive of only tush pushes?
Look at the mits on 64! I never noticed that in this picture before. I assumed they were all barehanded that day.
Schneidman speculating Packers move on from Josh Myers, move Sean Rhyan to C, keep Major Tom at RT, and start Morgan at RG.
If that's the scenario guessing they add another OL in the first 3 rounds to compete...a swing tackle, or perhaps a versatile interior OL who can also pinch hit at C...what they hoped Monk would be. Although maybe they think Monk will be that guy...Center 2.
What's been lost in the tush push is that it was an illegal play for decades and was changed in 2005. So it's not like we're taking out a part of the game that's been there forever.
I just think it's a boring play. Imagine a scenario where every team learns how efficient the play is and starts running it 20+ times per game. What if teams get inside the 10 yard line and just run 4 straight tush pushes to get into the endzone? Is that what we want from an entertainment perspective? I don't. And lost in sports is that it only exists to entertain.
@DH13 posted:Look at the mits on 64! I never noticed that in this picture before. I assumed they were all barehanded that day.
Remember from the America's Game series on the 67 Packers. Lombardi didn't want anybody who might handle the ball wearing gloves. Dave Robinson told the equipment guy to give him some brown gloves because Vince wouldn't know the difference!
Local media presser
@CUPackFan posted:What's been lost in the tush push is that it was an illegal play for decades and was changed in 2005. So it's not like we're taking out a part of the game that's been there forever.
I just think it's a boring play. Imagine a scenario where every team learns how efficient the play is and starts running it 20+ times per game. What if teams get inside the 10 yard line and just run 4 straight tush pushes to get into the endzone? Is that what we want from an entertainment perspective? I don't. And lost in sports is that it only exists to entertain.
While the human struggle part of it where you've got two masses of humanity trying to will the ball a couple feet or yards is appealing in its own right, there isn't really any strategy or skill to it. This is where it loses me. Football doesn't and has never simply boiled down to who is stronger or more massive. It has always been a sport of skill and strategy and the tush push doesn't really have any of either.
NFLPA Team Report Cards
Highest ranked categories for the Packers: Weight Room A (5th), Training Room A- (5th), Food/Dining A- (6th)
Lowest ranked categories for the Packers: Strength Coaches B (27th), Head Coach A- (20th), Training Staff B (16th)
@DH13 posted:While the human struggle part of it where you've got two masses of humanity trying to will the ball a couple feet or yards is appealing in its own right, there isn't really any strategy or skill to it. This is where it loses me. Football doesn't and has never simply boiled down to who is stronger or more massive. It has always been a sport of skill and strategy and the tush push doesn't really have any of either.
The scrum is the least interesting part of rugby for me...that's how I feel about the TP.
Also from the above link:
Overview
The Packers finish 7th overall, with the team receiving strong scores for their food/dining program along with their dietician, weight room, and training room. Last year, they upgraded the playersâ meeting room and added an underground parking facility. Although these areas are not formally captured in the Report Cards, it demonstrates the teamâs commitment to improve the playersâ daily experience.
The most common area the players feel is in need of improvement is the locker room. While the space is sufficient, players believe it should be renovated and upgraded.
When asked what the team currently does best, players praise the team culture which is reflected in strong ratings for head coach Matt LaFleur and President/CEO Mark Murphy.
The players like the sledding hill.
Did they rate the nightlife? Is the sledding hill lit? 
@PackLandVA posted:NFLPA Team Report Cards
Highest ranked categories for the Packers: Weight Room A (5th), Training Room A- (5th), Food/Dining A- (6th)
Lowest ranked categories for the Packers: Strength Coaches B (27th), Head Coach A- (20th), Training Staff B (16th)
Damn. An A- gets you 20th? Tough crowd
Not happening with his current contract...no one taking on that much cap.
Sources: The #Packers have had trade conversations centered around star CB Jaire Alexander and they are open to moving him for the right price.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 26, 2025
Alexander, still just 28 and a two-time Pro Bowler, is considered to be the most decorated CB available. pic.twitter.com/rOF3qsBn1z
@packerboi posted:Damn. An A- gets you 20th? Tough crowd
Grade inflation is real.
It's real, and it's spectacular.
@Chongo posted:Not happening with his current contract...no one taking on that much cap.
Sources: The #Packers have had trade conversations centered around star CB Jaire Alexander and they are open to moving him for the right price.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 26, 2025
Alexander, still just 28 and a two-time Pro Bowler, is considered to be the most decorated CB available. pic.twitter.com/rOF3qsBn1z
I think his redoing a contract with a new team wouldn't be nearly as big an issue as teams being leery of his health and his attitude.
Ja/Packers would need to show that Alexander is healthy and Ja would need to sell that he's focused and bought into wherever he'd go.
The innerwebs keep speculating about a Joe Bosa for Jaire Alexander trade from the Bolts. Bosa has similar injury concerns, a high contract, and it seems the Bolts have soured on Bosa much like GB has with Alexander.
Not holding my breath that happens, but it's an AFC opponent and each team could have interest in moving on.
Edit: Chargers send Joey Bosa to Packers in depressing trade proposal
@Chongo posted:Not happening with his current contract...no one taking on that much cap.
Sources: The #Packers have had trade conversations centered around star CB Jaire Alexander and they are open to moving him for the right price.
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 26, 2025
Alexander, still just 28 and a two-time Pro Bowler, is considered to be the most decorated CB available. pic.twitter.com/rOF3qsBn1z
Most decorated must mean most bandages.
@packerboi posted:Damn. An A- gets you 20th? Tough crowd
The head coaching rankings are kind of odd. The Chargers head coaching is a B+ but the Dolphins get an A+? The Cowboys have an A but the Packers have an A-?
Jax would be a very plausible trade partner for Ja.
This is a great shout. The kind of team that should take a shot on Alexander https://t.co/fL25HU3VQL
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) February 26, 2025
@packerboi posted:Jax would be a very plausible trade partner for Ja.
This is a great shout. The kind of team that should take a shot on Alexander https://t.co/fL25HU3VQL
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) February 26, 2025
This, but if what packerboi is proposing with the Chargers I might blow him.
@packerboi posted:I think his redoing a contract with a new team wouldn't be nearly as big an issue as teams being leery of his health and his attitude.
Ja/Packers would need to show that Alexander is healthy and Ja would need to sell that he's focused and bought into wherever he'd go.
The innerwebs keep speculating about a Joe Bosa for Jaire Alexander trade from the Bolts. Bosa has similar injury concerns, a high contract, and it seems the Bolts have soured on Bosa much like GB has with Alexander.
Not holding my breath that happens, but it's an AFC opponent and each team could have interest in moving on.
Edit: Chargers send Joey Bosa to Packers in depressing trade proposal
Damn as much as like what Bosa has done in his career do you trade a CB with an injury history and a possible attitude problem for another player who has a similar if not worse injury track record and possible attitude problem?
I say they should do the best they can to fleece a desperate team like Jax to see what they can get at this point.
If they trade him, Iâm hoping for a 4th as thatâs probably the best-case scenario, unless they do a turd trade.
It also enhances the need at CB.
Listened to a lot of podcast opinions on the topic this morning. I think it was Rob Demovsky who polled different NFL execs and the compensation for Alexander ranged form a mid round (4th / 5th), to a late round, to nothing. So Hershal may be correct, a 4th rounder is probably best-case. As far as what we do at CB, Bukowski had some interesting observations. He thinks that although the Packers will address CB in Free Agency, it will not be a top line guy, and they will not use a top draft choice on the position either. He thinks resources will be maximized on getting an edge rusher first and then a WR.
They'd be better off keeping Ja than trading for less than a 3rd.
How frustrating that we need an Edge rusher when top picks were spend on Gary and LVN.
I say pull the trigger for Bosa if the trade is real. Gute can't draft defense but his pro scouts are money.
Have you taken note of the premium draft picks that have been spent in the defensive backfield over the past 11 years? Thatâs even more frustrating
@Pikes Peak posted:
Look at it this way: itâs a designed leverage situation. Itâs already illegal on Special Teams, etc. for example. To defend it, focusing on pushing a player through as a wedge buster would also open the players to elevated injury risk.
At one time, I thought the rule was a player couldn't "assist the runner".
Apparently that morphed into "it's OK to push a runner forward , but not to pull a runner forward".
The simple solution, IMHO, is to go back to the former rule.
That seems like a lot to give up for Metcalf. But he is a good RAC guy.
1st round pick, Doubs and a day 3 pick. Yikes
Anyway to hold on to that R1 pick and swing it I'd be good
I'd love to see DK challenging Jaire in practice...
Gutekunst would be insane to make that trade. Metcalf would want a new contract and he'd have to be paid top of the market, when he's not a top tier WR. Couple that with the fact there is no primary target in LaFleur's offense, it makes no sense to spend that kind of capital (picks and cap).
@WolfPack posted:1st round pick, Doubs and a day 2 pick. Yikes
Anyway to hold on to that R1 pick and swing it I'd be good
I'd love to see DK challenging Jaire in practice...
I read it as we give up #23 and either Doubs or Wicks, and get Metcalf and one of Seattle's early day 3 picks. In addition, it seems likely we are going to get a draft choice for Alexander.
@FLPACKER posted:
If that's true, there's no way Metcalf is worth all that. He ain't Sterling Fucking Sharpe.
Don't worry though......let Gutey cook. He's a good negotiator.
Also.....trade Doubs? Ok ....not Wicks....NOT WICKS!! Why? Because not if....but WHEN he starts catching the ball, he's going to hit the next level. Y'all just watch
"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride..."
If he doesn't do it by game 5 or even 3, I don't think he'll make it in GB.
Sounds like a lot of smoke and mirrors to drive up the interest in DK.
According to a source, there has been no contact or negotiations as of now between the Packers and Seahawks regarding a DK Metcalf trade.
â Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) February 28, 2025
Don't forget that there's always talk this time of year linking players to the Packers to help drive up player interest because the Packers don't confirm or deny these reports.
@Boris posted:If that's true, there's no way Metcalf is worth all that. He ain't Sterling Fucking Sharpe.
Don't worry though......let Gutey cook. He's a good negotiator.
Also.....trade Doubs? Ok ....not Wicks....NOT WICKS!! Why? Because not if....but WHEN he starts catching the ball, he's going to hit the next level. Y'all just watch
Let Gutey Cook? What are examples of well negotiated contracts? I'm not saying that it's never happened but I can't think of any off of the top of my head.
@13X posted:Let Gutey Cook? What are examples of well negotiated contracts? I'm not saying that it's never happened but I can't think of any off of the top of my head.
Vets who got extended in GB over the past 2-3 years include Kenny Clark, Jordan Love, Rashan Gary, De'Vondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas, and Jaire Alexander.
Other than Love (hopefully), tough to argue that GB has gotten commensurate value out of any of these re-signings.
@Boris posted:If that's true, there's no way Metcalf is worth all that. He ain't Sterling Fucking Sharpe.
Don't worry though......let Gutey cook. He's a good negotiator.
Also.....trade Doubs? Ok ....not Wicks....NOT WICKS!! Why? Because not if....but WHEN he starts catching the ball, he's going to hit the next level. Y'all just watch
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@SteveLuke posted:Vets who got extended in GB over the past 2-3 years include Kenny Clark, Jordan Love, Rashan Gary, De'Vondre Campbell, Rasul Douglas, and Jaire Alexander.
Other than Love (hopefully), tough to argue that GB has gotten commensurate value out of any of these re-signings.
Yup. But Gutey is great. I would bet a lot of money that GB wonât win a title with him.
I'd bet more money Poles or Adofo-Mensah don't win one!!!
I bet even more money that even if we won the SB some people would still say Gutey and MLF suck.
Don't they?
I think it is foolish to go after Metcalf, for the price the article says Seattle is asking. I'm betting a guy like MVS is back in Green and Gold, before a transaction like this one becomes reality. Why would we give up any of our young WRs, plus a high draft pick, for Metcalf?
Maybe because none of our young WRs showed much promise last season and the last high draft pick Gute used on a WR turned out to be a guy who spends more time on the bench than he does on the fieldâĶ.and heâs going to miss most of next season.
The problem at the WR position is the specific type of WR we need; 1) With our run game he can't be a smaller guy. We can only have one and that is Reed 2) He has to have the speed to make safeties have to play deep and open up the middle of the field for everyone else. There are really only two WRs (assuming Metcalf is available) that we right now may have a chance at that fit that description. Metcalf and MVS. Obviously Metcalf has done it at a significantly higher level than MVS has, and that it is why it would take a heck of a lot to get him. Adams is about the only other option I see out there. Not a burner but can still win deep with technique. Like anything else it is about supply and demand, which leads to overpaying, which I think is likely.
I might be thinking of another Seattle WR. Hasn't Metcalf been injured a fair amount?
The Packers were able to calculate the 5th-year options for Walker and Wyatt yesterday.
Walker = $14.6M
Wyatt = $12.9M
The team has until May 2nd to exercise or decline.
As an owner, I recommend declining.
@FLPACKER posted:I bet even more money that even if we won the SB some people would still say Gutey and MLF suck.
And they could be undefeated and win it all and some would gripe and complain they didn't shut everyone out by a score of 63-0.
I am probably in the minority but I would be ok if they traded Doubs to Seattle. The guy has had some injuries and IMHO Wicks has a better upside but that is probably just me.
Shadow, I looked it up and he missed I think 5 games last year and one game in 23 but that is about it. Of course because I said the he would immediately hurt his hammy if comes to GB.
Thanks for checking! Must be from the 5 games last year that I was concerned. Exchanging concussions for availability itself wouldn't be a bad trade.
@Timmy! posted:The Packers were able to calculate the 5th-year options for Walker and Wyatt yesterday.
Walker = $14.6M
Wyatt = $12.9M
The team has until May 2nd to exercise or decline.
As an owner, I recommend declining.
Prepare to be (somewhat) disappointed.
I think they'll try to re-sign Walker to a new deal prior to that at a lower yearly number but multiple years.
With Wyatt, they may want to ride out another year before extending him. That's not a bad price if they think they may want to extend him.
Both of those salary cap number aren't that bad really and I do see them exercising both of those options. I really think Walker will get even better with Cooper next to him and I like McDuffie a little bit but if they upgrade from him their LB corps is going to be very good.
I want to see Gutey cook us up an Edge/CB/WR turducken on the draft day grill.
@Shadow posted:I might be thinking of another Seattle WR. Hasn't Metcalf been injured a fair amount?
He's missed 5 games and played in 97 in 6 years.
@The Heckler posted:And they could be undefeated and win it all and some would gripe and complain they didn't shut everyone out by a score of 63-0.
Reminds me of a story that Jim Valvano used to tell about when he got the NC State job and went to get a haircut. The barber asks him if he's the new basketball coach? He says he is , to which the barber replies "I hope you do better than ole Born did (Norm Sloan the previous coach)", Valvano replies "didn't his 1974 team go 30-1, win the ACC regular season, the ACC tournament, and the National Championship?"...the barber replies, "yeah , but think what Dean Smith could have done with that team"
@FLPACKER posted:Reminds me of a story that Jim Valvano used to tell about when he got the NC State job and went to get a haircut. The barber asks him if he's the new basketball coach? He says he is , to which the barber replies "I hope you do better than ole Born did (Norm Sloan the previous coach)", Valvano replies "didn't his 1974 team go 30-1, win the ACC regular season, the ACC tournament, and the National Championship?"...the barber replies, "yeah , but think what Dean Smith could have done with that team"
I'll defer to the basketball coach that FLPACKER is, but I always thought Dean Smith was the most overrated coach in history. Great recruiter, but I always thought the quote that "Dean Smith was the only guy who could hold Michael Jordan under 20" was very accurate.
Funny, I spent my first 7 years coaching high school in NC. Before moving there I was a big UNC fan, but after living it, I became less of one and became involved with Duke's program. Although I respected Smith for his organization and system, he did a number of things that showed his "saintly" facade to have cracks. I saw none of that with K during my years (87-97) of being around the program.
88 and 13 with one championship while Mike was there seems fairly good to me.