@GreenBayLA posted:It seems like Love picked up some bad footwork habits watching AR get away with it.
Yeah, let's blame 12 for this shit show.
+
Kraft
Dillon
-
MLF
Joe Barry
- -
I'm not seeing any reports of Barry being fired today.
@Boris posted:
This team has a lot of issues.....IMO, QB is pretty low on that list
Oh, for sure. A lot of the issues are well documented by others here and some are the result of players being very young.
But a 1st round draft pick QB, 4 years in the league, who can not properly throw a football drives me nuts.
@Chongo posted:Yeah, let's blame 12 for this shit show.
AARON ROGERS IS 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DUE TO HIS JERKY SMIRK. 
@GreenBayLA posted:AARON ROGERS IS 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DUE TO HIS JERKY SMIRK.
I would have gone with his friendship with Joe Rogan...
Earlier in the year I was saying that Love needed to settle down, and then he did for several games and played great. I read somewhere that early in the year, Love was thinking every throw was going to make-or-break his career. I got that same feeling last night: Monday night game, in New York, playoffs overhead, on a roll, etc. He played so tight for much of the game that he looked like he reverted to his earlier "this throw must be perfect" mentality, which of course, made every throw an adventure. When he finally just started to sling it, he got better and got a late lead -- until he got Dinglebarryed.
@Fandame posted:Earlier in the year I was saying that Love needed to settle down, and then he did for several games and played great. I read somewhere that early in the year, Love was thinking every throw was going to make-or-break his career. I got that same feeling last night: Monday night game, in New York, playoffs overhead, on a roll, etc. He played so tight for much of the game that he looked like he reverted to his earlier "this throw must be perfect" mentality, which of course, made every throw an adventure. When he finally just started to sling it, he got better and got a late lead -- until he got Dinglebarryed.
Love was terrible for large parts of the game, but the mark of a good QB is that they'll have games where they are terrible the whole game but when the other team lets them hang around, they pull a rabbit out of a hat and win games they don't deserve to win. That was Favre many times, and is Josh Allen more recently. That was Love last night, until Joe Barry decided to scheme his defense to prevent a touchdown in the last 1:30 of the game.
@Chongo posted:Nothing I have seen from MLF in any year of his tenure gives me any faith he will be able to win a Super Bowl. Got close twice with a HOF QB in two MVP years.
Shitty performances by D and ST in various weeks is the norm, regardless of year. MLF may be a good OC...but he's not a good HC.
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet (LaFleur can't win a Super Bowl), and especially not based on how this season is going. But his loyalty to a fault with coordinators is costly. Maybe eventually his own job. I hope he gets it right and truly gets a good DC next year. I don't know what to make of Bisaccia anymore - I think part of it is the Packer's talent depth is very poor. Chicken salad and all that...
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:What if, and hear me out, we ran a jet sweep with a pitch back reverse with a flea flicker to a bubble wide receiver screen to the short side except we are throwing to a tackle eligible.
When I saw Love roll out the right I actually thought Reed was going to do a throw back pass to Love. That probably would have worked since all the Giants went with Reed to the left.
@Fandame posted:Earlier in the year I was saying that Love needed to settle down, and then he did for several games and played great. I read somewhere that early in the year, Love was thinking every throw was going to make-or-break his career. I got that same feeling last night: Monday night game, in New York, playoffs overhead, on a roll, etc. He played so tight for much of the game that he looked like he reverted to his earlier "this throw must be perfect" mentality, which of course, made every throw an adventure. When he finally just started to sling it, he got better and got a late lead -- until he got Dinglebarryed.
Kayvon Thibodeaux was in his face and in his head all night. Getting spooked about your blind side is one thing. Having to worry about your right tackle as well is a recipe for disaster. Tom was bad last night. It doesn't excuse Love's poor play early, but it was clearly something he was jittery about throughout the game. This was one of his worst showings, no doubt, but he still continues to show great promise in tough situations, namely 3rd and 4th downs and late in games. Fix the issues on the line, find some rbs who can manage more than two games straight without getting injured, and he will figure the rest out. That's the best positive I can find about such an awful showing by this team last night.
@bdplant posted:Just a giant shit show, but I’m not going to get all worked up over it. They’re a young team experiencing growing pains. It happens.
+ I’m totally cool with the growing pains. We all knew there would be highs and lows this season. These young men are gaining valuable experience, and they are doing it together. And that’s what matters. What any team needs to be successful is consistency, and that comes with time.
The talent is clearly there. This team could be very special.
- What I cannot accept are the continued, ridiculous brain farts from our coaching staff. They are not young guys, but seasoned professionals that should know better.
We put the Giants into a position where any score would win the game by calling the dumbest imaginable play on the 2 point conversion. I don’t take issue with the attempt, but Matt LaFleur’s call was awful. It has a very low chance of success.
And as soon as we scored the touchdown, every single person in the game thread last night knew what was coming. That same sinking feeling immediately overtook us. We knew that Joe Barry was going to fold like a cheap suit.
The Giants needed yards to get into field goal range. What does Barry do? He calls a prevent defense. A prevent defense is used to take away the big play. The Giants didn’t need that. They had sufficient time and timeouts to run their offense. We made yet another backup quarterback look like the second coming of Dan Marino as the G-Men marched right down the field.
How Joe Barry continues to be employed by the Green Bay Packers is beyond me. Matt LaFleur needs to stop being the good guy, find his balls, and make a change at defensive coordinator. But he won’t do that.
a bright lights big city MNF game, I wondered how they'd react.
Love did the Bert excitable boy routine to start the game while the rest of the team took turns kicking each other in the shins. yet they still coulda won in the end. I'm gonna call that progress
due to whatever, not a lot of good football being played around the league right now
It sucks the Packers lost, but reading some of the comments you'd think they lost 30-0
@Packiderm posted:It sucks the Packers lost, but reading some of the comments you'd think they lost 30-0 to a bad team
Fixed it for you.
@lambeausouth posted:+ I’m totally cool with the growing pains. We all knew there would be highs and lows this season. These young men are gaining valuable experience, and they are doing it together. And that’s what matters. What any team needs to be successful is consistency, and that comes with time.
The talent is clearly there. This team could be very special.
- What I cannot accept are the continued, ridiculous brain farts from our coaching staff. They are not young guys, but seasoned professionals that should know better.
We put the Giants into a position where any score would win the game by calling the dumbest imaginable play on the 2 point conversion. I don’t take issue with the attempt, but Matt LaFleur’s call was awful. It has a very low chance of success.
And as soon as we scored the touchdown, every single person in the game thread last night knew what was coming. That same sinking feeling immediately overtook us. We knew that Joe Barry was going to fold like a cheap suit.
The real dumbshit move (IMO) was leaving so much time on the clock on the Packers last TD drive. I realize they were behind and needed a touchdown, but they should have run the clock down before scoring or at least make the Giants use their timeouts.
You run the risk of not getting in the end zone before the game ended, but that’s lower risk than letting Barry and his band of misfits back on the field.
@bdplant posted:The real dumbshit move (IMO) was leaving so much time on the clock on the Packers last TD drive. I realize they were behind and needed a touchdown, but they should have run the clock down before scoring or at least make the Giants use their timeouts.
You run the risk of not getting in the end zone before the game ended, but that’s lower risk than letting Barry and his band of misfits back on the field.
The fact that the Giants had two timeouts remaining to start their final drive was amazing.
@Fandame posted:Earlier in the year I was saying that Love needed to settle down, and then he did for several games and played great. I read somewhere that early in the year, Love was thinking every throw was going to make-or-break his career. I got that same feeling last night: Monday night game, in New York, playoffs overhead, on a roll, etc. He played so tight for much of the game that he looked like he reverted to his earlier "this throw must be perfect" mentality, which of course, made every throw an adventure. When he finally just started to sling it, he got better and got a late lead -- until he got Dinglebarryed.
Didn't Holmgren often call a bomb early just to have Favre throw it about 70 yards to settle him down from being overhyped. When was the first time Love threw a pass downfield last night ?
@artis posted:The fact that the Giants had two timeouts remaining to start their final drive was amazing.
Did not understand why we were going no huddle with 2 minutes left and 2 timeouts
Because O was out of sync most of game and they excel at 2 min drill.
Plus Berry is our ace in the err never mind.
Wondering what will happen if Alexander & Stokes ever get back on the field. I'd love to see them able to get Nixon off the field. Herman has him as his lowest rater defender, even before last night.
@bdplant posted:The real dumbshit move (IMO) was leaving so much time on the clock on the Packers last TD drive. I realize they were behind and needed a touchdown, but they should have run the clock down before scoring or at least make the Giants use their timeouts.
You run the risk of not getting in the end zone before the game ended, but that’s lower risk than letting Barry and his band of misfits back on the field.
MLF lives on a river in Egypt.
@MichiganPacker posted:Didn't Holmgren often call a bomb early just to have Favre throw it about 70 yards to settle him down from being overhyped. When was the first time Love threw a pass downfield last night ?
Usually he'd tell the OL to pull an ole! for one snap so Favre could get nailed by a NT. Which usually sharpened his focus.
I hate that I still miss that dirtbag sometimes.
@FLPACKER posted:Wondering what will happen if Alexander & Stokes ever get back on the field. I'd love to see them able to get Nixon off the field. Herman has him as his lowest rater defender, even before last night.
The Jaire thing is a little weird. Feels like maybe he has a difference of opinion than the team does of whatever his medical ailments are. Hopefully if he does come back, it’s closer to All-Pro Jaire of a few years ago and not the lesser Jaire we’ve seen in the past year or so.
Jaire sure looked good vs. Brett Rypien, then at the end of the Ram game he was hurt again......or something.
Why does it feel like the end of Charles Woodsons time in Green Bay? Remember....Charles had a difference of opinion on the defense & MM was having none of that "nonsense". Wonder if Jaire has a difference of opinion on the current defense and MLF is "having none of that nonsense"
🤷♂️
Just me thinking out loud.....something is definitely up though.
@Boris posted:Jaire sure looked good vs. Brett Rypien, then at the end of the Ram game he was hurt again......or something.
Why does it feel like the end of Charles Woodsons time in Green Bay? Remember....Charles had a difference of opinion on the defense & MM was having none of that "nonsense". Wonder if Jaire has a difference of opinion on the current defense and MLF is "having none of that nonsense"
🤷♂️
Just me thinking out loud.....something is definitely up though.
Could be closer to a Zadarious Smith situation. The locker room interview he did about two months ago was strange. Whether it's some disagreement on his diagnosis or some odds with the defensive philosophy, it seems a bit like the train moved on without him. Is it possible the Rasul trade was made to be an example to certain guys? At this point, I wonder if his return this year would even be a net positive.
@FLPACKER posted:Wondering what will happen if Alexander & Stokes ever get back on the field. I'd love to see them able to get Nixon off the field. Herman has him as his lowest rater defender, even before last night.
Unfortunately, I think Nixon is the slot DB for the rest of the year. Alexander & Stokes aren't physical enough to be the slot guy and be expected to get in the pile for run support. They both avoid contact whenever possible. And MLF doesn't have the balls to replace Nixon with one of the rookies.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is an underlying issue with Alexander. He was pretty vocal last year after the opening day loss to the Vikings, And for several weeks after that there were rumors of defensive players not happy with JB. There were promises of a more aggressive new look defense this year. Obviously that's not been the case. Maybe games are being played in the lockerroom as well. I hope not, but...
If MLF won’t can Barry at season’s end, then he must be shown the door himself. Under no circumstance can that boob be allowed to return.
_
Poor play in all three phases. Defense and ST should be much better than the product on the field.
+
Kraft
Offensive struggles more indicative of growing pains than any larger problems.
Since we are all hoping Barry gets canned at seasons end, who is out there that you would like to see as the new Defense Coordinator?
Robert Saleh, Bill Belichick or Al Harris (don't know if he's ready for full DC yet)
Here's the problem.....I don't think MLF has the balls to hire any of those guys fearing for his own position.
@Boris posted:Robert Saleh, Bill Belichick or Al Harris (don't know if he's ready for full DC yet)
Here's the problem.....I don't think MLF has the balls to hire any of those guys fearing for his own position.
MLF has history with Saleh, but would Saleh want to play under MLF? Belichick would not want to. He would want MLF's job. Al Harris has Dallas's DBs playing well and might not want to leave MM's staff. I also feel that he may not be ready for any DC job.
@mrtundra posted:MLF has history with Saleh, but would Saleh want to play under MLF? Belichick would not want to. He would want MLF's job. Al Harris has Dallas's DBs playing well and might not want to leave MM's staff. I also feel that he may not be ready for any DC job.
Collinsworth said something about Harris during the DAL/PHI game. He said he asked him how he has their DB's playing so well with the INT's etc. Al said, "I don't teach any scheme, none. I just watch tape with them and show them the tells the WR's have and prepare them for it." That's all he does.
While that appears to be working great, he is also working with a lot of talent in DAL and by this story, he clearly is not ready for a DC position.
Saleh isn't going anywhere.
Belichek will not take a DC position anywhere after this season.
And I doubt Barry will be unemployed in February either.
@PackLandVA posted:And I doubt Barry will be unemployed in February either.
Of course not, there is no way we play in the SB without a DC.
I don’t think Barry is getting fired either. Sadly, it’s another case of the Packer head coach being loyal to a fault.
I predict this regime remains intact until 1 year after Murphy is replaced. So two more seasons after this one.
So far in 2023:
200+ yards rushing 4x.
MiLF clearly agitated with the defense called/played 4x.
Maybe LaFleur needs to listen to X4?
@BrainDed posted:I predict this regime remains intact until 1 year after Murphy is replaced. So two more seasons after this one.
Maybe. If history repeats, they announce the new Pres/CEO at next summer's shareholders meeting. If the new Pres/CEO is not a fan of the silos, the FO could move to dismantle that sooner than later. Allow the new CEO to hit the ground running in '25.