49ers own the Packers, disband the team.
@Harry Manback posted:Yes, while not 100% his fault, and the receivers were having trouble getting separations, they were still not great decisions, and let’s face it, Etling looked better. Two more games to go though, so we’ll see. Just not the breakout performance we were hoping for for a three-year QB.
Agreed.
@Blair Kiel posted:I kinda wish you were his quarterback coach.
Why, he doesn’t suck enough for you?
Love started like shit, had a few moments and then looked like shot again. Yes 2 of the 3 picks are not him, but he had some other shit throws as well. He just doesn’t have “it” and he is turnover prone.
Year 3, he isn’t where you would hope a FIRST ROUND pick would be.
Dooby looked like a rookie but you see the talent. Kid has potential to live up to the 87 jersey.
Walker didn’t impress or disappoint. I was hoping to see some aggression and speed but didn’t.
I don't know that anybody played their way off/onto the 53, but nobody improved their chances.
I don't know what to make of Love. I think everybody expects better from him, and it's not like he played poorly, but it looks like he's still on the uphill climb of development when he should be over the top already.
Etling is likely the better QB at this point, but I don't expect any changes. It may not be fair, but life isn't always that way.
One positive was that our second team d-front was winning vs. SF's starting o-line
One negative ...the same thing was happening when we were on offense
@BrainDed posted:Love started like shit, had a few moments and then looked like shot again. Yes 2 of the 3 picks are not him, but he had some other shit throws as well. He just doesn’t have “it” and he is turnover prone.
Year 3, he isn’t where you would hope a FIRST ROUND pick would be.
Dooby looked like a rookie but you see the talent. Kid has potential to live up to the 87 jersey.
Walker didn’t impress or disappoint. I was hoping to see some aggression and speed but didn’t.
Agree with pretty much everything you say here. The biggest problem with Love is he forces too many balls into passing lanes that aren’t really there. Plus his accuracy is still spotty.
2 of those INTs Love had were flukes, but he had some other bad throws that he was just plain lucky they weren’t intercepted.
Love wasn’t all bad, I actually thought he did look better than the past couple years. That said, if Rodgers has a season ending injury and Love has to start, it’s clear he’d be in the bottom 1/4 of NFL starting QBs based on what he looked like last night.
Saw some improvement from Love but he continues to be up and down and accuracy and decision-making are still issues. Option year is approaching and I'm sure the organization will have to see more to pick it up.
@Blair Kiel posted:Fuck me.
49ers have 3 QB’s who look better than Love.
I've seen nothing from Love, Ettling or Benkert for that matter to think any of them are anything more than career backups.
Year 1...COVID year...ease up on Love.
Year 2...Really Love's first year...ease up on Love.
Year 3...He's had a full year under his belt, he has Tom Clements, he's stacking days in practice...game comes...Oh, those things aren't his fault...guys running wrong routes, etc. Ease up on Love.
When is it time to fairly criticize a 1st round QB? And because we criticize we don't want him to succeed? Fuck that!
I want that kid to be the 2nd coming of greatness...but in year 3, that motherfucker looks like a goddamn rookie. But hey, let's keep treating him with kid gloves, and not bringing in real veteran QB talent to push him.
@michiganjoe posted:Saw some improvement from Love but he continues to be up and down and accuracy and decision-making are still issues. Option year is approaching and I'm sure the organization will have to see more to pick it up.
They won't cut bait on him...the optics are too bad. They will ride him to the end.
Deguara and Doubs have to make those catches.
Love played a little too loose/reckless... almost like he didn't care. The talent is there, just don't see it consistently.
Rodgers isn't wrong when he says the preseason games aren't valuable to the starters. Half the players from last night aren't making the 53, and those that do are backups that you hope can bridge you a few games.
Doubs has been the story so far in camp and you can see he has the potential to be the next decent young WR coming up from the ranks. Winfree has been overlooked a bit due to Doubs, but he’s been solid in TC and could stick on the roster.
Also somewhat encouraging to see more from Amari Rodgers because I’m not sure you can have a worse rookie campaign than he did.
As for Love, I just don’t think he’s the guy despite having good athleticism and talent. He just never seems in control and comfortable. Poise is such an important aspect at that position and you would think he’d be further along in his development than he is.
Lots of teams miss on high QB picks and Gute’s been decent with other pickups and selections to this point. Can’t hit on all your moves.
@Chongo posted:Year 1...COVID year...ease up on Love.
Year 2...Really Love's first year...ease up on Love.
Year 3...He's had a full year under his belt, he has Tom Clements, he's stacking days in practice...game comes...Oh, those things aren't his fault...guys running wrong routes, etc. Ease up on Love.
While I know you're saying this in jest, I did give him those first two years. Yes, COVID was tough. But also he was a known, raw prospect that was going to take time to develop. We knew this. But year 3......yeah he needs to be better. He has to show he's starter material this year. If not, probably time to move on after this year.
@H5 posted:Love played a little too loose/reckless... almost like he didn't care. The talent is there, just don't see it consistently.
And that's a problem...Thousands of guys find their way out of the league because they have the physical tools, but can't handle the mental part of being a pro.
Some guys present as "cool customers," but when the lights go on, the animal changes...Mahomes and Josh Allen come to mind. Sam Darnold is a guy that presents as cool, but when the lights go on, he's the same guy and it shows.
If that's who Love is, he will never be QB1 in this league.
I was a big defender of Love when we drafted him...got into it with Henry a couple of times because he was pointing out how bad Love was his senior year compared to his junior year...and I pointed out he had a brand new HC, new OC and lost all his best WR and there was nothing to worry about. But you never know...a kid can look great in college and not work out in the league. I am judging him based on his NFL performances now, and what is bothersome is there is always a set of excuses why he didn't perform better.
Vs KC, it was a short week, he didn't have all the reps he needed, MLF prepared too much for him they expected him to be like 12. Last night it was guys dropped balls, ran the wrong routes...but there were some drops where the balls were not placed well. And there were catches the ball was not placed well and guys made those catches.
Just starting to feel like they are so protective of Love, they are sacrificing bring a real backup QB in to compete with him.
@CUPackFan posted:While I know you're saying this in jest, I did give him those first two years. Yes, COVID was tough. But also he was a known, raw prospect that was going to take time to develop. We knew this. But year 3......yeah he needs to be better. He has to show he's starter material this year. If not, probably time to move on after this year.
Joe Burrow dealt with COVID year, and a blown ACL...and surrounded by a hell of a lot less talent all around him. Herbert also dealt with COVID year. Both those dudes came out dealing.
I'm not expecting 10 to be those guys, but he's not even shown he's Tua yet. He hasn't even shown he's Matt Flynn yet.
Ouch.
@Chongo posted:Joe Burrow dealt with COVID year, and a blown ACL...and surrounded by a hell of a lot less talent all around him. Herbert also dealt with COVID year. Both those dudes came out dealing.
I'm not expecting 10 to be those guys, but he's not even shown he's Tua yet. He hasn't even shown he's Matt Flynn yet.
Yeah Joe Burrow's a better player. So is Herbert. Not sure why you'd those two players to Love. A better comparison is probably Trey Lantz, and we'll see how that goes. But I agree, this is the year for Love.
@CUPackFan posted:Yeah Joe Burrow's a better player. So is Herbert. Not sure why you'd those two players to Love. A better comparison is probably Trey Lantz, and we'll see how that goes. But I agree, this is the year for Love.
Because all three were drafted in 2020.
Watching replay, who the heck are the announcers?? Surely NOT Packer fans. Whew…..they stink. 😝
Love didn't have a senior year in college. He left school early. His junior year he had serious loss of talent and head coach and new system and players hurt his stats.
@Chongo posted:They won't cut bait on him...the optics are too bad. They will ride him to the end.
Pretty sure Gutey would prefer to acknowledge a mistake than throw upwards of $20 million dollars away.
@BrainDed posted:Love started like shit, had a few moments and then looked like shot again. Yes 2 of the 3 picks are not him…
I disagree. All the picks were partly on him. The location of his passes were awful. On the one involving Doubs if he’d thrown it in front of Doubs the DB can’t contest for the ball.
Throw the ball where only the receiver can catch it.
@Chongo posted:And that's a problem...Thousands of guys find their way out of the league because they have the physical tools, but can't handle the mental part of being a pro.
Some guys present as "cool customers," but when the lights go on, the animal changes...Mahomes and Josh Allen come to mind. Sam Darnold is a guy that presents as cool, but when the lights go on, he's the same guy and it shows.
If that's who Love is, he will never be QB1 in this league.
I was a big defender of Love when we drafted him...got into it with Henry a couple of times because he was pointing out how bad Love was his senior year compared to his junior year...and I pointed out he had a brand new HC, new OC and lost all his best WR and there was nothing to worry about. But you never know...a kid can look great in college and not work out in the league. I am judging him based on his NFL performances now, and what is bothersome is there is always a set of excuses why he didn't perform better.
Vs KC, it was a short week, he didn't have all the reps he needed, MLF prepared too much for him they expected him to be like 12. Last night it was guys dropped balls, ran the wrong routes...but there were some drops where the balls were not placed well. And there were catches the ball was not placed well and guys made those catches.
Just starting to feel like they are so protective of Love, they are sacrificing bring a real backup QB in to compete with him.
I don’t think that the team has much choice. He is what he is. Perhaps he can improve with great WR’s and a stout line but he is inconsistent now. I do see minor improvements which makes him an OK QB #2. As I look around the league I see better backups than Love. When #12 is gone maybe the team finds a better replacement. Yet I don’t see the team picking up his fifth year option. A team friendly extension maybe but not a big contract. Whatever happens this year I expect that they will hang on to him. What choice do we have?
@YATittle posted:Love didn't have a senior year in college. He left school early. His junior year he had serious loss of talent and head coach and new system and players hurt his stats.
Since then he has had a serious upgrade in talent around him, the same head coach and basically the same system.
Pike, I am not sure about that “serious upgrade”. (Maybe a better QB coach) The WR’s and TE’s are not as good and the line is young. That all may change later, but the start of this season looks like the offense took a step back.
@Goalline posted:I disagree. All the picks were partly on him. The location of his passes were awful. On the one involving Doubs if he’d thrown it in front of Doubs the DB can’t contest for the ball.
Throw the ball where only the receiver can catch it.
I am guilty of comparing pass location to the way 12 does it, which isn't fair to 10. 12 has been doing it longer and it's one of his strengths...putting the ball exactly where it should be.
But, 10 has to learn when to rocket ball and when to take some off of it. The INT that hit 84 in the hands was way too hard...but 84 should have caught it. He threw another one way to hard but Doobs caught it.
The 3rd INT was all on him...no bad route about it...he threw the ball at the right time, it wasn't where it needed to be...if he does, it gives 8 a chance to catch it.
Clements needs to drill his footwork...it's not consistent enough. Hoping we see improvements on Friday. Love needs as many reps as he can get with best OL in front of him, and they need to give him at least one veteran WR to throw to. Give Lazard and Watkins 10 reps each or something. Put him in the best position to succeed and see what happens.
On the upside...Goodson looked fucking great...no complaints that we couldn't run the ball.
@PackerPatrick posted:Pike, I am not sure about that “serious upgrade”. (Maybe a better QB coach) The WR’s and TE’s are not as good and the line is young. That all may change later, but the start of this season looks like the offense took a step back.
A serious upgrade in talent over his college days.
@Chongo posted:I am guilty of comparing pass location to the way 12 does it, which isn't fair to 10. 12 has been doing it longer and it's one of his strengths...putting the ball exactly where it should be.
But, 10 has to learn when to rocket ball and when to take some off of it. The INT that hit 84 in the hands was way too hard...but 84 should have caught it. He threw another one way to hard but Doobs caught it.
The 3rd INT was all on him...no bad route about it...he threw the ball at the right time, it wasn't where it needed to be...if he does, it gives 8 a chance to catch it.
Clements needs to drill his footwork...it's not consistent enough. Hoping we see improvements on Friday. Love needs as many reps as he can get with best OL in front of him, and they need to give him at least one veteran WR to throw to. Give Lazard and Watkins 10 reps each or something. Put him in the best position to succeed and see what happens.
On the upside...Goodson looked fucking great...no complaints that we couldn't run the ball.
His foot work is so sloppy.
@Goalline posted:I disagree. All the picks were partly on him. The location of his passes were awful. On the one involving Doubs if he’d thrown it in front of Doubs the DB can’t contest for the ball.
Throw the ball where only the receiver can catch it.
Both of those picks were in the receivers hands, hard to put blame on Love for those.
@Pikes Peak posted:A serious upgrade in talent over his college days.
That’s true for almost every player who makes the NFL. I was thinking that you were referring to last year’s Packers. My bad.
Joe Burrow played on arguably the most talented college team ever the year they won it all. Many of those players on offense got drafted and are playing well in the pros. Personally, if I were drafting a team from scratch today I would probably take Burrow 1 overall. He’s got the perfect skill set to be elite and from a mental standpoint he’s nails.
Love’s just a guy at this point. What’s troubling to me is his mechanics and footwork are awful and his pocket presence isn’t much better. It’s like he’s sensing pressure if it’s there or not. To that extent, the Sam Darnold comparison is pretty solid. He looks the part and in warmups he’s fine but the minute the game begins he loses focus and either rushes his throws or is late to the party. Not sure if that’s nerves or simply confidence but his comment “seeing ghosts” would sum up Jordan Love as well.
I think saying he is seeing ghosts is apt. that's what it seems like totally. problem wtih that is the nfl is all about disguise and seeing ghosts so boogie boogie, nobody will stop until you show you can beat it.
Remember that his rookie year was not only the covid year, but it included no preseason, where Love would have gotten most or all of his work.
Having said that, I’m not seeing enough from him to see much of a future for the guy. Ettling had a spark to his play, though.
@RoyalWulff posted:Remember that his rookie year was not only the covid year, but it included no preseason, where Love would have gotten most or all of his work.
Having said that, I’m not seeing enough from him to see much of a future for the guy. Ettling had a spark to his play, though.
Yah, thought he had something a little extra......and dare I say, he kinda reminded me a tad of Bert Favor??? Nah, or did he?? Anyone else think that??
If anyone wants the glass is full take of JLo’s preformance, head over to Peter Bukowski’s twitter…some pretty good ball washing going on there. He went all in on 10 from the jump, so no way in hell he is casting aspersions on him yet. Pretty much the entire nerd rodeo of Packer Social Media fandom are big Love fanboys. No way in hell one of them breaks ranks yet.
@Tschmack posted:Joe Burrow played on arguably the most talented college team ever the year they won it all. Many of those players on offense got drafted and are playing well in the pros. Personally, if I were drafting a team from scratch today I would probably take Burrow 1 overall. He’s got the perfect skill set to be elite and from a mental standpoint he’s nails.
Love’s just a guy at this point. What’s troubling to me is his mechanics and footwork are awful and his pocket presence isn’t much better. It’s like he’s sensing pressure if it’s there or not. To that extent, the Sam Darnold comparison is pretty solid. He looks the part and in warmups he’s fine but the minute the game begins he loses focus and either rushes his throws or is late to the party. Not sure if that’s nerves or simply confidence but his comment “seeing ghosts” would sum up Jordan Love as well.
Rodgers was like that early too.