Packers confident offensive line ready to fulfill its promise

That sounds disgusting.

 

My fashion is soiled.

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My fashion is soiled.

So you're saying you soiled yourself? 

And what about your hair?  Is that soiled too? 

 

I pooped a little when it happened.  

Bulaga is back and bigger & stronger

 

Could be a huge upgrade at RT

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...592z1-269774111.html

 

Don't sleep on Sherrod.  

 

I've read great things about him on a message board.  

 

Pakrzboi is concerned. Sherrod has the ability. At worst he'll be solid depth for us.

Bulaga. Yeah, I can't wait to see the right side of our O-Line cave in the Seattle D-Line while Lacy scampers down the sideline.

Yes, I'm drinking the kool-aid. Orange

Just don't drink the gold kool aid.  Green maybe.  But not the gold.

Not concerned sir.  If, and I mean IF, Sherrod were to develop into a better LT than Bak I'm all for it.  I don't think it's going to happen though.  The guy hasn't done a thing in the NFL to date.  

The guy hasn't done a thing in the NFL to date.

 

ummmmm, you think those pads are going to pick themselves up?

 

 

 

the girl in pink just read the thought balloon.

Sherrod didn't stand out when I was at TC. It's good in that I didn't see him do anything bad, but I didn't see him get any real opportunities against our top pass rushers. To me it seemed like he definitely was going to be the #2 LT and nothing more. In the past when they have guys competing for spots there is quite a bit of rotating, not so in this case. 

If there's a beverage and it's orange, there can be only one.

Good! That is a positive development.

 

BTW, Herschel, that Fanta looks really cold. Never serve above 98.6 degrees.

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Bulaga. Yeah, I can't wait to see the right side of our O-Line cave in the Seattle D-Line while Lacy scampers down the sideline.

Will you settle for the left side of the line doing it, or the middle?

Hell, why not all three?

Here's a question from today's Ask Vic for you to consider:

 

Q : Do you think Andy Mulumba will make the team?

 

A: He caught my attention yesterday in one-on-one drills when he beat David Bakhtiari to the outside with a lightning-quick first step. It's the first time in all of training camp that I had seen someone beat Bakhtiari.

 

This is the weakness in Bak's game, he doesn't have the elite lateral agility to handle the speed rushers. So what he does is he over-sets and then is susceptible to the bull rush. Putting on weight and strength helps against the bull rush - but it doesn't make his feet any quicker

 

When you get to the playoffs, you are playing against the top speed rushers in the game. That forces GB to slide blocking, chip with an RB/TE or do other undesirable things to cover up that weakness. Bak is a damn fine player, but there's a reason he lasted into the 4th round. We'll see what happens now that teams have a year of film on him, but Mulumba is far from the toughest test he'll face this season.

 

Sherrod had the feet at one point and that's why some fans are hoping he can continue to improve and earn that LT spot. Competition brings out the best in all of them and having two legitimate LT candidates is a good thing

 

The thing working in Bahk's favor is that there aren't a lot of pass rushers who are equally fast and strong. There are only a handful of rushers in the league who could beat you with a speed rush and a bull rush. ROLB's or RDE's aren't the power players, they're the speed rushers. In the NFCN alone he won't face a power player consistently...Jared Allen and Everson Griffen are speed rushers with average power moves while Ziggy Ansah is capable of being powerful and fast, he's struggle with his speed moves and relies on his natural power. Charles Johnson is probably the only player he will face who both excels as a speed and power player. 

 

While I do agree with your post that Bahk is not a complete player at LT, I'm not sure he's going to be exposed very often for this. He will cheat to handle the speed or he will cheat to handle power and I think for the most part he will find success.

I think Bak has all the intangibles to be a average to slightly above average LT...however his physical attributes (height, weight, arm length) are more in line with the top guards rather than the top tackles in the league. Sherrod has the physical attributes that the top tackles have, however, the question is does he have the intangibles? Every time I hear him interviewed I wonder if he is too nice to ever be a top lineman.  

Good stuff as always GD, but was there a reason you didn't list any from the SF or Seattle teams ? Those are the ones you need to get past on the way to Arizona

 

 

The man gets beat one time in camp and you use it as a indictment of his perceived short comings?  I'm not buying the "that's why he lasted to the 4th round" stuff either.  It's been stated many times over that the draft is a crap shoot and it goes both ways.  There are shining examples of great players that fell and bums that were drafted high.  Furthermore, why doesn't Bak get the opportunity to grow and develop?  Aren't you a strong proponent of coaching guys up and giving them an opportunity to mature?  This kid came in as a rookie and held down arguably the toughest position in the NFL.  I would think a guy like you would be excited about his future rather than taking an opportunity to declare him a liability.  

Aldon Smith is a good pass-rusher for SF when Justin Smith is illegally holding the LT and LG to clear the way. Otherwise he's an overrated speed guy, pretty good but not the next coming as too many media label him.

lighten up francis, there is no indictment being issued by anybody. I am merely trying to help you understand how scouts/coaches think about LTs

( from stuff I have recently read about or heard)

 

I don't have any skills in player evaluation, but I do read things from people who do have that background and I find it illuminating. Some of it I share it here

 

Bak will continue to develop and that's a good thing. However, there are some things that don't develop over time and there isn't anything a coach or player can do about it. Adding weight and muscle he can do. Getting more reps and experience, he can do. But he can't make his lateral agility much faster, its simply a limitation to his game/body and its not likely to change no matter how much we wish it would

 

Newhouse had great feet and that's why he was given so many chances to succeed. But the other limitations to his game and his passive demeanor stopped him from being an decent LT and now he's gone.

Some things you can fix, some things you can't

 

And of course the draft is a crap shoot, but the people who do this for a living shoot better crap than fans on a message board. Go through the NFL and let me know how many 4th rounders are starting at LT.

That should help shed some light on the topic.

You can be an expert marksman, but if you poop your pants under fire, it doesn't matter.

Same thing applies here - he will get better, he will get stronger and he will get more experienced. But his ability to stop speed rushers is dependent on his quick feet and he just doesn't have those

( yet or ever ?).

That's a liability and GB can either work around that liability or find somebody else who is better

 

Competition will settle this out over the next 6-12 months

 

I've never said he won't make it or that I don't like him. All I have shared is what I've read from the scouts and an OL coach here in San Diego.

Nobody knows how he will develop, but his chances to be Clifton aren't very high and that's all we can say for sure at this point. Getting beat by the raw 3rd string OLB who has nothing but speed on his side is merely highlighting his current limitations.

 

Its not an indictment, its an opportunity to learn something.

All players have limitations and understanding them is a good thing imo

 

 

 

Peppers is a guy who could go speed or go strong...OH SNAP!

I would take BuckCherry over half the other LT in teh league.

 

He is only getting better.   Jesus **** when pakrzboi is the voice of reason around here.

Sherrod had PLENTY of opportunities to show what he had as a rookie (He didn't break his leg until December) while we all suffered through the Marshall Newhouse era.

 

The fact that Bak was able to play as well as he did in his rookie season yet the coaches continued to stick with the terrible Newhouse with Sherrod available during his rookie season says a lot IMO.

I am calling shenanigans on this right here.

 

The rest of the quote from Vic was

 

"It's the first time in all of training camp that I had seen someone beat Bakhtiari."

 

Bringing up THE ONE TIME the guy got beat as proof of his limitations while ignoring the fact that he's won every other time, against all comers, is BS.

 

Maybe he beat CMIII and Julius Peppers several times each and then lost to Mulumba one time.

 

You are trying to take Vic's praise of Mulumba, that fact that he beat a previously unbeaten LT, and turn it into "proof" of Bak's limitations. Vic chose Mulumba's victory over Bak as an example of praise BECAUSE Bak has proven to be one of the best at that drill. You can't use the same event to try and argue that is shows Bak to be a limited player.

Same dip****s that want $herrod at LT are humping for Tolzzzzzzzzzzzzien to start at QB

 

Jesus **** when FreeSafetya is teh voice of reason around here.

if you say so

So its your position that Bak has no limitations ?

 

OK

 

Here's the draft thread

 

https://packers.timesfour.com/t...d-bakhtiari-colorado

 

WEAKNESSES: May lack the elite combination of height and foot speed to handle edge rushers in the NFL, though he appears well- suited to simply sliding inside to left guard. Doesn't have top body control for blocking on the move and will struggle adjusting to moving targets. Too often attacks the outside shoulder of linebackers when blocking on the move, allowing them to "swim" over him and remain in the action. Would like to see him finish his blocks more completely. Often protected with a tight end as Colorado frequently used a dual tight end set...

 

 

You might even be surprised to learn that when Bak was drafted, GB considered him as a prospect to move to Center- which ameliorates his limitations in lateral agility while taking advantage of his other skills. Bulaga's injury ended that option

 

 

strawman

I said no such thing.

Pickled herring.  

 

Pre-draft write ups are always accurate.  Come on man!!!

which ameliorates his limitations in lateral agility while taking advantage of his other skills.

 

Damn! That word is going to require me to don my glasses of smartitude.

All players have limitations, I don't understand why that is so hard for fans to accept that. And talking about those limitations isn't pooping on a guy.

As far as the pre-draft comments and post- season assessments, maybe Pakrz can share with us his credentials for doing OL evaluations ?

If you disagree with their assessments, tell us why.

 

Or you can admit and accept that you have absolutely no clue ( just like me) and lean on the insight of the people who do have a clue. Learning about the NFL is really pretty interesting if you can turn off your ego & arrogance long enough to understand how little we really know about the game we love.

 

 

We don't know squat and that's OK; we all have other jobs to do and the Packers aren't counting on us for anything but adding revenue to their bottom line.

 

Interesting that you bring that up.  I've been wondering for quite some time what credentials you and a few others bring to the table that allows you to constantly criticize coaches and make matter-of-fact assessments on particular players.  I think you've answered part of my question... you read stories on the internet.  Join the club. 

 

My credentials?  Zero, zip, nada.. I'm a ****ing hack that loves the Packers and drinking beer on game day.  But I do read much of the same stories you do.  But I also realize that most of the authors of said stories don't know much more about the game than some fans.  Pre-draft write ups are a glaring example.  One guy writes something about a player and suddenly it becomes gospel.  It's the most regurgitated and puked out information in sports. 

 

 

Silence.  Must be busy looking into the archives. 

 

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