Packers-Lions gamethread

Not sure about that. GB wants to run the ball well enough to get 8 in the box... but the goal at that point isn't to run the ball into an 8 man front. Its to pass the ball vs an 8 man front with the best player in the league pulling the trigger

Those are two very different things and I've seen many post the same sentiment as DH did above. What I've read is that MM and AR want a single high safety to make it easier to pass, not to prove how tough they are running into a stacked defense

And that's a small part of why myself and others take umbrage at some fans who gripe about play-calling ( not directed at DH)

We don't have nearly the experience, talent, know-how, film review or balls to be an NFL play-caller. None of us. We don't have access to the info from Mike Eayrs on tendencies of the defense. We don't know who has good technique vs bad, who jumps routes vs who is always late. Who has good pad level vs bad...There's a million things we don't know about an opponent or how to attack them

The difference is that some of us are keenly aware of our shortcomings, others appear blissfully ignorant of theirs

Its not that fans aren't allowed to gripe about stuff on X4...

I merely ask that you do it from a a position that acknowledges your naivety and that you please bring something to the table more than :

"MM sucks, MM is a lousy playcaller, I could do it better."

Find something to back it up, make a comparison to another NFL coach, source a quote from a scout or somebody in the know. PFF and many many other websites offer plenty of info, reviews, stats and analysis. Share that with us, we'd all love to learn more about the Packers.

Do the Packers throw on 3rd and short more often than other successful teams ?

Are they more or less successful than others in converting those 3rd downs ?

How may TDs have they gotten from that down & distance, how many times did they come up short ? Do they only do it on the opponent side of the 50 ? Do they convert more 3rd downs throwing or running ?

You have something of interest to offer?  Please have at it-  you'll have an eager audience here

You wanna  label everybody as kumbaya "cheerleaders", then go **** yourself because that's the lame crutch of an Arrogant Ignoramus.

Have a valid take, don't suck and bring something to the table-  that's what makes a message board thrive imo

I'm surprised it was that low, but not that surprised (I was prepared to stand by my evaluation that EDS would grade out better than Hawk.)  AJ made a few nice, noticeable plays yesterday, which I acknowledged in the game thread.  Especially in the first half he made some plays which looked like he had strong instincts and was playing ahead of the game.  Then the second half rolled along and he was behind the runner and getting way to caught up in blocks.  His coverage was also awful which probably lead to the low grade.  Maybe I've just developed an eye for him, but he seems to stand out game after game for how he doesn't make an impact. 

Here's what I could find on 3rd and 3 or less from yesterday:

So 2/4, one rushing and one passing.  Both failures were passes.

I hated the screen to Cobb call.  Hated it.

Have to agree with some others here that this team is evolving in front of us, and working towards a final product that will be fun to watch.  More play-action will help, but, more importantly, the play-action now will be dramatically more effective.  Seems that the mindset of the coaching staff is to get ready for playoff football...run the ball effectively, and improve against the run.  Big checks on both so far.

The runs on 3rd and 3 or less are going to increase.

I went to 3rd and 4 or less... and I think you missed a 3rd and 3 Brak.

3-3 DET 49: 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 89-J.Jones pushed ob at DET 45 for 4 yards

3-3 GB 37: 27-E.Lacy left tackle to GB 41 for 4 yards

3-4 DET 40: 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to 89-J.Jones.

3-1 GB 48: 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 18-R.Cobb 

3-1 DET 13: 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 87-J.Nelson.

3-3 GB 37: 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 89-J.Jones to DET 24 for 39 yards

Still 50%: 3 of 6 - 2 1st downs via the pass and 1 via the run.

@jasonjwilde: McCarthy on third-and-1s: "The playcaller. Just beat up the playcaller."

This is the part where everything you write falls apart.

Nothing is obvious because you don't know schit

Here's just one example of the schit you don't know..

"Third and one calls, we do a number of things at the line of scrimmage," McCarthy said. "The one in particular (the first one), we got an odd look. It was a different look, so that happens sometimes. That’s why the decision-making at the line of scrimmage is difficult, and it’s definitely the strength of Aaron Rodgers.

"Sometimes you get an odd look and the ball in space with Randall Cobb is always a good chance."

Clements said that on the Cobb 3rd and short play, the decision to change the play was fine because the run called probably would not have worked given the way the Lions lined up.

Clements said if the Packers see the look again, they would have an answer for it.

"It was a look that we hadn’t seen them do and we hadn’t anticipated it and had to make a decision in a brief space of time," Clements said. "It’s always easier after the fact to say you could’ve done this and adjust it

So in this particular instance, not only wasn't it an "obvious situation" it was one that neither the OC, the HC or the QB were familiar with...but it was obvious to antiworst and anybody who dares to call him on his obvious bullschit is just a cheerleader

You don't know jack diddly squat antiworst, but you post as if you do

That's why people here give you schit, and rightly so

How on earth can you question a play call when you don't even know what defensive alignment you were facing ? 

I think the 1rst and goal from the 4 should be included in this convo.. 

3 pass attempts from that distance is telling IMO..  It appears MM just doesn't trust the run game yet.  Hard to blame him given the success #12 has had and the lack of success our run game has had over the years.  

My argument is that in order to open up those 3rd and 1 deep balls for an even better conversion ratio, we need to at least threaten to run the 235 pound 1rst round pick.   On a couple of those, Lacy wasn't even in the backfield.  If you do run him and convert a good chunk, it just makes things easier for #12.

Agree, and you are watching the trust grow.

It's an amazing transformation, really.