Blair Kiel posted:Anybody that feels bad for a guy that the Packers made a multi-millionaire needs to go back to where they came from.
Perfect. I mean like literally seriously? Sounds horrific.
There... I caught all of the millenial buzzwords...we really do need to attract a younger crowd around here.
Re: Keke’s going to be a star based on his tape and Senior Bowl performance
One word: Datone.
We all thought Datone was the answer with comments from “perfect” to “bad ass” to “football mind” to “great pick” to etc. etc. (I looked it up.) We all know how that turned out.
I will remain skeptical about every single pick until he/they/none proves me wrong when the action goes live and stays live.
michiganjoe posted:It's a bit shocking because we weren't expecting it, but Mike Daniels is 30, coming off a foot injury, due over $10 million this season and never really fit what Mike Pettine wanted to be on defense.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) July 24, 2019
They save more than $8 million this year. Shocking, but not surprising.
Bullshit! Until this went down he was sure Mike Daniels was going to star for the Packers this year. Freaking homer.
For some of us (read: me) growing up in the '70's, Knowing just how bad the Packers were was never thought about. Every year, and every game, I had that 'hope' (this is our year!, etc), never realizing the futility of it all.
Well, I'm still the same way with new players/rookies every year.
I never thought Datone was going to be the next Reggie, but thought he might be similar to KGB. Looked great in pre-season, got lost during the season, and never found his way again. Didn't find it in Minnesota, Detrooit, San FranSissy, or Dallas, so I suspect it wasn't a coaching/scheme fault. Oh well....
I do agree it is time for Mo Adams to crap or get off the pot. He teased with some flashes of good play last year, but the fact is he's still a 1st-round pick that couldn't beat out Lowry, Lancaster, Looney to be a starter.
Datone sucked balls. Always did. Still does.
Adams was a 3rd round pick in 2017. I just like Adams, Keke and Lancaster, and think that they will produce this season. I'm waiting for the proof as well. Can't wait to see it.
I don't like this move. I don't dislike it as much as I did letting Jenkins walk, but it's in the conversation.
For some of us (read: me) growing up in the '70's, Knowing just how bad the Packers were was never thought about. Every year, and every game, I had that 'hope' (this is our year!, etc), never realizing the futility of it all.
Well, I'm still the same way with new players/rookies every year.
So you think the draft and free agency are futile?
Times a changing.
BrainDed posted:I don't like this move. I don't dislike it as much as I did letting Jenkins walk, but it's in the conversation.
The difference is that we actually have proven talent to replace Daniels. We had no replacement for Jenkins an didn’t for a while. Lowry is a legit option as a starting DT and the interior rush we will get with Lowry, Z Smith, and possibly Gary will make up for Daniels absence. I like Mike Daniels A LOT, but Lowry will be more disciplined on run downs and likely only be a slight downgrade against the pass. Pettine doesn’t want “length” or a certain measurement on his D, he wants complete players who play his scheme. The Smiths aren’t star pass rushers like Clark or Ford, but they are quality rushers who are equally adept in run D with positional versatility. Daniels, for all of his wild chaotic disruption was not a disciplined player and could basically only play 3T, he either muscled his way into the backfield or got caught out of position on a trap. Very similar to CM3 in that way (although Clay has more position versatility). At one point he was making more plays than he was blowing, but at this stage it’s no longer justifiable.
Daniels will quickly find work at a more reasonable price point.
Saw an article that said Gute and MLF were happy with their D Line, and that was after they cut Daniels. They must really like Keke and Adams. I hope Looney and Brown add to our depth on the DL. I agree that Lowry's signing suddenly became intriguing. I'm ready for some football. GO PACK, GO!
Until he proves otherwise Adams is a slug. Can't wait to watch the rest of the Dline move towards the QB as he's getting backpeddled by a TE.
Timmy! posted:I do agree it is time for Mo Adams to crap or get off the pot. He teased with some flashes of good play last year, but the fact is he's still a 1st-round pick that couldn't beat out Lowry, Lancaster, Looney to be a starter.
Adams is a 3rd round pick (not a 1st round pick) 2 years ago (2017 draft). This is really his 2nd season since his first was an injury filled affair. Lowry showed up in the 2016 draft and I don't think he has missed a snap. Looney was drafted last year and was on the PS for most of the year until promoted to the 53 man roster for the last 3 games - and recorded no stats. Adams was available for all 16 games last year. He didn't play much early in the year, but his playing time increased as the season progressed.
That he couldn't be given away for a 7th round pick says volumes
Well.. the big splash in free agency because the clock is ticking on Rodgers and we have to do it now...so we let an elite player go...Daniels was our best defensive player..guys like that fit any scheme-maybe his foot is worse than expected...but this hurts the 2019 Packers. Gut is gutsy--but if this don't work-and so far a lot has not-he should be gone
I don’t think Daniels was even our best DT, definitely not our best defensive player.
El-Ka-Bong posted:That he couldn't be given away for a 7th round pick says volumes
Or maybe a team didn’t want to add $8-10 million in cap hit. I think it’s more about his salary and less about production.
Daniels made a lot of splash plays vs. backup guards who were only playing because of injury. 2017 season opener vs. Seahawks he wrecked havoc..... never saw it again all season. As someone else posted, we began to see a pattern of his production falling off as the season progressed. I suspect that his teammates also noted this and became tired of his "big personality".
All you guys talking smack on Daniels were not saying this last week. It's hilarious. The guy is, at the very least, top 20 interior pass rushers in the league. If they cut Arron Jones next week we will here about how smart it is because he can't pass pro like Kuhn.
My assumption is GB didn't think the coin was worth the production and wanted the space to make some in season moves. I disagree. I think pass rush up the middle is vital in today's game and I'd be willing to overpay for 1 more year of Daniels. Not to mention, after he walks via FA, you get a comp pick to play with.
You just figured this out. A Packers player is great right up until the time he's not a Packers player.
Johnson posted:Well.. the big splash in free agency because the clock is ticking on Rodgers and we have to do it now...so we let an elite player go...Daniels was our best defensive player..guys like that fit any scheme-maybe his foot is worse than expected...but this hurts the 2019 Packers. Gut is gutsy--but if this don't work-and so far a lot has not-he should be gone
I don't think you can S**t can Gute if this move doesn't pan out. He has had to make so real aggressive moves to get that D fixed once and for all and it may take him another off season and draft to get it done. To me this season will tell us just how long its going to take him to get that side of the ball fixed and to fit in to the Pettine's scheme.
Henry posted:Until he proves otherwise Adams is a slug. Can't wait to watch the rest of the Dline move towards the QB as he's getting backpeddled by a TE.
Yep. I certainly wouldn't be counting on him this season.
BrainDed posted:All you guys talking smack on Daniels were not saying this last week. It's hilarious. The guy is, at the very least, top 20 interior pass rushers in the league. If they cut Arron Jones next week we will here about how smart it is because he can't pass pro like Kuhn.
My assumption is GB didn't think the coin was worth the production and wanted the space to make some in season moves. I disagree. I think pass rush up the middle is vital in today's game and I'd be willing to overpay for 1 more year of Daniels. Not to mention, after he walks via FA, you get a comp pick to play with.
He doesn’t make splashy plays taking on two guys at a time.
FLPACKER posted:I suspect that his teammates also noted this and became tired of his "big personality".
Ryan Wood was on local sports radio yesterday and eluded to the same thing. He said there was a locker room incident involving Daniels last year where he went off on some teammates in a game Daniels himself didn't play all that well.
Wood suggested while not a key reason for releasing Daniels, there nonetheless seems to be a concerted effort going on at 1265 to change the chemistry and personality of the locker room inside 1265. Beyond Daniels, you can point to Clay Matthews, Nick Perry, D. Randall, HHCD, Jermaine Whitehead, and Ty Montgomery as examples of change Gutey felt was needed to perhaps rid GB of the "staleness/stagnation" going on under MM.
Not like we have to go way back in history to find a similar change of faces. When TT arrived, he cleaned a lot of house in his first 3 years as GM as well.
"Remember when," doesn't win football games.
If the coaches or GM think past great players can't contribute to the level they believe they need, it's time to let them go, regardless of fan sentiment.
And someone like CM3 might move to the Rams, and play a more specialized pass-rushing role on a much more talented defense and yield some great stats.
He may well play 20 snaps a game and get 10+ sacks, to which there will be dozens of Packer fans bemoaning not re-signing him. But they usually fail to realize he wasn't going to get that kind of production with the Packers.
Still think the move was largely a money one. Can't afford to pay a rotational player that much and they need to sign Clark to a new deal as well. Think Mike can still play and contribute but he no longer fit in the team's plans- that's the nature of the business.
Former Packers’ Pro-Bowl DT Mike Daniels first visit is to...the Cleveland Browns, per source. Browns’ front office drafted Daniels in Green Bay. Cleveland also tried to sign DT Gerald McCoy before he opted for Carolina. Browns now on to Daniels.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 25, 2019
heyward posted:You just figured this out. A Packers player is great right up until the time he's not a Packers player.
It's natural law. I remember folks freaking out when Ha Ha was traded. Now, they laugh at him.
Daniels act was probably wearing thin. Playing the tough guy and running his mouth but not making enough plays to support the banter and antics.
Still, this was a money move pure and simple. If he was making 2MM this season I doubt they release him. He can still play and contribute but not at what he was scheduled to make.
Goalline posted:heyward posted:You just figured this out. A Packers player is great right up until the time he's not a Packers player.
It's natural law. I remember folks freaking out when Ha Ha was traded. Now, they laugh at him.
I’ve been laughing at him for at least two years
Still love ya Mike D, hope you land on a good team.
This move makes LA Ram$ big money deal for CMIII even more suspect.
GreenBayLA posted:Still love ya Mike D, hope you land on a good team.
This move makes LA Ram$ big money deal for CMIII even more suspect.
Clay's contract is not for big money. He gets 5.5 million guaranteed and at most 9 million over two years. It's not peanuts, but it's certainly not big money. Dean Lowry just got 20 million over 3 years with 6 million guaranteed.
Upside v downside; on the field v sometimes on the field; beginning career v ending career.
BrainDed posted:All you guys talking smack on Daniels were not saying this last week. It's hilarious. The guy is, at the very least, top 20 interior pass rushers in the league. If they cut Arron Jones next week we will here about how smart it is because he can't pass pro like Kuhn.
My assumption is GB didn't think the coin was worth the production and wanted the space to make some in season moves. I disagree. I think pass rush up the middle is vital in today's game and I'd be willing to overpay for 1 more year of Daniels. Not to mention, after he walks via FA, you get a comp pick to play with.
Top 20 interior pass rusher? I don't think so. Maybe top 30 but means he's a JAG. And that's exactly what Daniels is, just a player who doesn't make plays, doesn't change games in a good way but might change them in a bad way.
Ever since his major F up in the NFCCG in Seattle I have had no use for him and have wanted him off the roster. Leaving the bench, running 70 yards down the field to get in the face of an opponent so that you can talk some sh!t?
Costing your team 15 yards in that game, at that time, and almost certainly being the cause of a 4 point swing should have gotten him benched, and I would have cut or traded him asap. That sort of stupidity and loss of self control started the entire fiasco that that game became.
IMO Daniels was a tumor that should have been removed long ago.
AtTheMurph posted:BrainDed posted:All you guys talking smack on Daniels were not saying this last week. It's hilarious. The guy is, at the very least, top 20 interior pass rushers in the league. If they cut Arron Jones next week we will here about how smart it is because he can't pass pro like Kuhn.
My assumption is GB didn't think the coin was worth the production and wanted the space to make some in season moves. I disagree. I think pass rush up the middle is vital in today's game and I'd be willing to overpay for 1 more year of Daniels. Not to mention, after he walks via FA, you get a comp pick to play with.
Top 20 interior pass rusher? I don't think so. Maybe top 30 but means he's a JAG. And that's exactly what Daniels is, just a player who doesn't make plays, doesn't change games in a good way but might change them in a bad way.
Ever since his major F up in the NFCCG in Seattle I have had no use for him and have wanted him off the roster. Leaving the bench, running 70 yards down the field to get in the face of an opponent so that you can talk some sh!t?
Costing your team 15 yards in that game, at that time, and almost certainly being the cause of a 4 point swing should have gotten him benched, and I would have cut or traded him asap. That sort of stupidity and loss of self control started the entire fiasco that that game became.
IMO Daniels was a tumor that should have been removed long ago.
I thought I was the only one who remembered that right away when he got cut.
AtTheMurph posted:BrainDed posted:All you guys talking smack on Daniels were not saying this last week. It's hilarious. The guy is, at the very least, top 20 interior pass rushers in the league. If they cut Arron Jones next week we will here about how smart it is because he can't pass pro like Kuhn.
My assumption is GB didn't think the coin was worth the production and wanted the space to make some in season moves. I disagree. I think pass rush up the middle is vital in today's game and I'd be willing to overpay for 1 more year of Daniels. Not to mention, after he walks via FA, you get a comp pick to play with.
Top 20 interior pass rusher? I don't think so. Maybe top 30 but means he's a JAG. And that's exactly what Daniels is, just a player who doesn't make plays, doesn't change games in a good way but might change them in a bad way.
Ever since his major F up in the NFCCG in Seattle I have had no use for him and have wanted him off the roster. Leaving the bench, running 70 yards down the field to get in the face of an opponent so that you can talk some sh!t?
Costing your team 15 yards in that game, at that time, and almost certainly being the cause of a 4 point swing should have gotten him benched, and I would have cut or traded him asap. That sort of stupidity and loss of self control started the entire fiasco that that game became.
IMO Daniels was a tumor that should have been removed long ago.
I totally agree with you ATM! Totally.
Daniels did absolutely nothing in that 2015 playoff loss v. SEA. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. 0 sacks. 0 solo tackles. 0 FFs. 0FRs. 0 TFL. 0 QB hits. 3 assists.
The following year v. ARI in playoff loss he had 1 sack. That's it. No other tackles. No other assists or contributions.
2017 playoff loss to ATL he had a total of 3 tackles. 2 QB hits. That's 3 very, very weak showings for a guy piping off to his teammates about producing, or else.
In 5 years of playoffs with Green Bay during his career, that’s 10 playoff games, he amassed 2.5 sacks, 17 solo tackles, 27 combined tackles, 2 tackles for loss and just 6 qb hits, 0 FFs, 0 FRs.... Think about that. TEN PLAYOFF GAMES. Glad he's gone. A lot of hot air.
I have no use for players who talk that much crap.
What I find interesting is that Montravious Adams production was nearly identical to Daniels last season. And I know Daniels played one hell of a lot more plays.
Seemed like Adams almost never saw the field, but he had more combined tackles, more individual tackles, .5 sack less than Daniels, but Adams forced a fumble. Doesn't seem possible. But then again Daniels was bluster but nothing behind it.
DL play is an area where stats rarely provide a clear picture of performance. MD has been in decline and M Adams did have some flashes of competence last season but I don't think anyone would have rated them equal overall.
How stout were they at the POA? How often were they driven back? How often did they clog their gap or redirect a run play? How often did they take on double teams or provide a teammate with a clear path to a tackle or sack? No stats for those things.
30 years old in the NFL is a problem for most players not named Rodgers.
As long as they can replace the production, all is well in the world.
DH13 posted:How stout were they at the POA? How often were they driven back? How often did they clog their gap or redirect a run play? How often did they take on double teams or provide a teammate with a clear path to a tackle or sack? No stats for those things.
You can’t hold up the POA on the sideline. That happened a lot, and wasn’t going to slow down now that he’s 30. He left a lot of games and wasn’t there in the 4th q when they needed their best players on the field. That matters a lot...
