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CUPackFan posted:

I just think it's time to move on from MM.  He had a great run but there's a reason most coaches don't last more than 10 years with one team.  The team has kind of tuned MM out and it's pretty apparent by the way Rodgers talks to the media.  It's just time.  

The "10 year shelf life" of HC's comes from a football era where you had the same players on your roster for almost as long.  In today's game when rosters are turning over every 5 years, it's harder to get "stale".  The bigger reason HC's are replaced today is they don't deliver results in their first 3 years.  I doubt the majority of the team is tuning him out because of his tenure, because the majority of the team hasn't been around that long.  However, the bigger issue is whether the team's leaders are tuning him out, i.e. AR, Cobb, Bak, CM3.  I really don't think they are.  He had the team ready to play in LA and they should have won.  We'll see if that game is a turning point one way or the other.

If you want to talk about moving on from MM because his management, play design and calling have become too predictable and stale, that's another topic.

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Chongo posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Way too inconsistent. Morgan Burnett didn't play at a high level but at least you knew what you were getting game in and game out.

Ability was never Burnett's issue, it was durability. He played great for the Steelers last Sunday...7 games into the season.

Burnett was solid, but didn't ever make impact plays in the passing game. He had 9 interceptions in 102 games for the Packers. He was good in run support. 

GBFanForLife posted:

Tramon is still slow. Playing safety won't make him faster.

His instincts and ball skills are good though, always have been. Instincts can make up for a lack of speed at times. Hopefully we see his instincts and ball skills pay off for us, we need to generate more turnovers.

HHCD kind of had that AJ Hawk mentality of waiting for the ball/ball carrier to come to him instead of being the aggressor and attacking. I can remember maybe 1 or 2 instances where I saw him break on a route or attack the ball in the air. His INTs always seemed to be gifts. Hope he does well in WAS, seems like a nice kid off the field, did a lot of charity work and never even was mentioned being around trouble. I don’t think he will though.

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ChilliJon posted:
RoyalWulff posted:

A more immediate concern is this:  who takes HHCD’s place on Sunday?   All this hype about the trade deadline and we deal 2 players for future draft picks.  Color me skeptical.  You can say this is “addition by subtraction” all you want, but our defense hasn’t exactly been overflowing with quality defensive players.  WHO PLUGS IN AT SAFETY?

Are you actually concerned who replaces non production? What productivity are looking for GB to cover? 

Are you saying no one can be worse than Ha Ha?  Have you watched Brice at Safety?  I never said Ha Ha has played well this year, but picking up a former safety from the lingerie football league wouldn’t put my mind at ease, either.

Tschmack posted:

Dix mailed it in the last year and a half in GB.  I don’t wish the guy personal harm but **** him.  He got what he deserved.  Lazy play and uninspired effort.  Hope you get that contract extension. 

He's a Daniel Snyder type player (style without enough substance). He'll probably flash a little bit and Danny will give him big money. Then Ha-Ha will coast. 

ChilliJon posted:

Best secondary in GB is King, Alexander and Jackson at corners and Williams and Jones at S. I think that’s been the best secondary in GB for weeks only the injuries didn’t let it happen. 

I don't think we've seen enough Jones to say he is better than Whitehead or Brice.   If he isn't, then just cut him next year and move on. 

Awful. Here's the thing too, Nick Collins wasn't the greatest tackler in the world, he took bad angles at times also. It wasn't every play though, he was almost always where he was supposed to be, and he was lock down against the pass. 

I have a good feeling about Tramon. I don't think we'll see an improvement in tackling from that position, but I don't think we will see the huge chunk plays anymore. His awareness and understanding of offenses will keep him from making those kinds of soul crushing mistakes. 

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This will be one of those true addition by subtraction moves. Getting Tramon moved to safety frees up more time at CB for Josh Jackson. That’s a double positive. 

I think this will be similar to the year that Nick Barnett was injured at MLB and the play actually improved there with Bishop and Hawk complimenting each other. That resulted in a SB win. I’d settle for just putting an end to the explosive plays this year.  

michiganjoe posted:

Seems to me Pete's indictment is more about complacency after a Pro-Bowl year and that's as good a theory as any I've seen. 

Another brutal play from the Ram game.

Bad angles were a HHCD speciality.

1 - The back ended up on the ground.

2. That's Todd Gurley in the open field.    Any OC would kill for an opp to have their HB 1 on 1 vs the S 20 yards down field with a full sprint head start.

I'm no Dix fan, but this is a really bad example to point out poor play. 

How is it a bad angle?   He had to protect against the cut back as well.    I view it as a plus play for Dix.   Again, one on one vs a great HB in the open field and said HB is coming at a full sprint.    I'd say that's a 50 / 50 at best chance that most Safeties don't get him on the ground.    Like what Jones did to the Rams S with a full sprint and one on one.  http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-...le-on-33-yard-TD-run

Is this a bad angle by the Ram safety?  

https://twitter.com/SconnieSpo.../1057074766111301635

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Chongo posted:
PackerHawk posted:

I’d settle for just putting an end to the explosive plays this year.  

Hopefully, this becomes the standard, not the exception. We've been giving up explosive plays with consistency since 2011.

Those explosive plays seem to happen more often than not on 3rd and long.  It's so frustrating to get the opposition at 3rd and long, only to see a 20+ yard play.

MichiganPacker2 posted:
DH13 posted:
BufordT posted:

So Brice and Whitehead starting safeties against Brady this weekend?

That siren went off in my head too.

Yes. This trade makes us much worse in the short term, but this is a team that needs to rebuild depth after several low-yield drafts. Might as well get the pick in 2019 rather than waiting until 2020. 

Also, you get compensatory picks based on your net loss and gain of free agents. If Gute is going to be active in signing free agents (like Jimmy Graham), we may not be in line to get compensatory picks anyway. This ensures we get something for Dix. 

Much worse in the short term? Anyone who has actually watched the Packers defense wouldn't agree with that. HHCD stunk. I think he kept his spot because the coaches hoped he would improve, but he didn't.

Slow to the ball. Slow to diagnose. Slow to turn. Won't hit. Can't tackle. Yeah, keeping that guy on the field would make the Packers better than inserting Estus Hood if Hood wouldn't try.

Good riddance! I think the team just got better. The entire defensive backfield last week played with aggression, passion and effort, except for one guy. He wears/wore number 21. Team killer. 

BrainDed posted:

How is it a bad angle?   He had to protect against the cut back as well.    I view it as a plus play for Dix.   Again, one on one vs a great HB in the open field and said HB is coming at a full sprint.    I'd say that's a 50 / 50 at best chance that most Safeties don't get him on the ground.    Like what Jones did to the Rams S with a full sprint and one on one.  http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-...le-on-33-yard-TD-run

Is this a bad angle by the Ram safety?  

https://twitter.com/SconnieSpo.../1057074766111301635

Both Dix and the Rams safety in the first video made mistakes at the start of those plays that end up making each of them look bad. They each took too long to diagnose the run and waited too long to attack the LOS, thus leaving them too far away from the point of play. By the time they recognize it's a run and start running up, the back is in a wide-open field and now the tackle becomes 10 times tougher. But Dix still takes a horrible angle; the Rams safety in the first vid sets his feet and lunges and misses. Each player had the same poor start, but Dix took the worse angle.

In the second video, the safety runs up much closer to the LOS and gets there just a little late as Jones comes through. Still, he is close enough to lunge and get a hand on a leg and bring Jones down.

I don't think the Rams safety took bad angles but just has a tendency to set his feet and lunge; Dix runs at Gurley but takes a horrible angle and barely touches him as Dix flings himself at him to make it look good. 

Fandame posted:
BrainDed posted:

How is it a bad angle?   He had to protect against the cut back as well.    I view it as a plus play for Dix.   Again, one on one vs a great HB in the open field and said HB is coming at a full sprint.    I'd say that's a 50 / 50 at best chance that most Safeties don't get him on the ground.    Like what Jones did to the Rams S with a full sprint and one on one.  http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-...le-on-33-yard-TD-run

Is this a bad angle by the Ram safety?  

https://twitter.com/SconnieSpo.../1057074766111301635

Both Dix and the Rams safety in the first video made mistakes at the start of those plays that end up making each of them look bad. They each took too long to diagnose the run and waited too long to attack the LOS, thus leaving them too far away from the point of play. By the time they recognize it's a run and start running up, the back is in a wide-open field and now the tackle becomes 10 times tougher. But Dix still takes a horrible angle; the Rams safety in the first vid sets his feet and lunges and misses. Each player had the same poor start, but Dix took the worse angle.

In the second video, the safety runs up much closer to the LOS and gets there just a little late as Jones comes through. Still, he is close enough to lunge and get a hand on a leg and bring Jones down.

I don't think the Rams safety took bad angles but just has a tendency to set his feet and lunge; Dix runs at Gurley but takes a horrible angle and barely touches him as Dix flings himself at him to make it look good. 

The position is called safety for a reason.   In the original video the Packers are in a single high.  Dix can not allow anyone to get deeper than him.   He can't go charging the LOS at first hint of run, he has other responsibilities.    If the play was PA or a flea flicker, you'd be roasting him for letting the WR get behind him and rightfully so.  

MichiganPacker2 posted:
Tschmack posted:

Dix mailed it in the last year and a half in GB.  I don’t wish the guy personal harm but **** him.  He got what he deserved.  Lazy play and uninspired effort.  Hope you get that contract extension. 

He's a Daniel Snyder type player (style without enough substance). He'll probably flash a little bit and Danny will give him big money. Then Ha-Ha will coast. 

I don't care if HaHa Clinton is All-Pro his entire career in Wash. He wasn't going to try in GB and paying him wasn't going to change it either. 

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