Packers vs. Broncos Game thread

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Originally posted by Liam:

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Originally posted by packerboi:
As TERRRIBLE as Bigby played, one game does not mean he's to get benched or sucks, etc.

He's been a solid young safety all year.

I am confident MM will get him motivated to have a big game next week.

Atari is much better then what he showed.

Harris was the weaker man in the secondary tonight. Bigby got victimized by the refs on more than one occasion.

I agree, both PI calls on Bigby were debatable.

The thing of it was, time wasn't an issue for them. It was only an issue because they did that stupid qb draw and then couldn't spike it because it was 4th down. If they score a td there, then the Packers get the ball with about 18 seconds and needing a td.

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
The Denver shutdown corners have left the building.

After the ESPN coverage of the post-game show switched to they hyping of Pats vs Colts, I switched to NFL Network and watched Terrell Davis and Jim Mora get into an arguement over Denver's "shutdown corners".

Paraphrasing here.

Mora: The big thing here is that the big plays for the Packers came against Denver's supposedly "shutdown corners"

Davis: They ARE "shutdown corners"

Mora: There's no such thing as a "shutdown corner". A corner is backpedaling and doesn't know which way the recieiver is going to go. The receiver knows where he's supposed to go and if he get's a step it's over

Davis: Not against Denver's "shutdown corners". They have two of them.


Observation: Your homerism is showing TD.

I thought Mora was great in that exchange. He emphasized that if you have the quarterback "AND THE RECEIVERS" you can beat any corner in a one-on-one matchup.

"Shutdown corners" is one of those terms that sounds so cool that it eclipses reality.

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Originally posted by the-icon:
The thing of it was, time wasn't an issue for them. It was only an issue because they did that stupid qb draw and then couldn't spike it because it was 4th down. If they score a td there, then the Packers get the ball with about 18 seconds and needing a td.

I guess that's all you have to complain about huh? I think you are about the only one that thinks they should have called a TO there. I think it would have been foolish. Why not just let them score instead of stopping them on 4th down? What was your opinion when Holmy did that?

I'll break it down one more time. Once the Broncos got closer they were in td mode, instead of just settling for fg mode. They had plenty of time and were eating the clock so that we would have no time left to answer. Then with like 22 seconds left they made a bad playcall going for the draw instead of throwing it into the endzone. They then had to rush the fg unit onto the field because they couldn't spike it.

I'm not sure whats so understand about that. If the Broncos scored a td there the game would have been over. After the kickoff we would have had about 15 or so seconds to try and score a td.

So you think that it would have been a good situation that if they scored a td we would have only had 15 seconds left to try to answer.

How you turn that into that I'm advocating letting them score is certainly odd.

Did you ever think that if we had used our TO's then the Broncos wouldn't have been in the situation they found themselves in with 22 seconds left and no TO's left? Time did become an issue and forced a field goal attempt instead of a TD. We very well may have lost the game if we gave them time to gather themselves and they scored a TD instead of that field goal.

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Originally posted by the-icon:
I'm not sure whats so understand about that. If the Broncos scored a td there the game would have been over.

Yes so instead of keeping the pressure on and the clock moving we give them plenty of time to call plays and keep their heads on straight. If that was Brady or Manning at the helm I say yes call the TO and preserve the clock, but the young QB is not established and keeping the clock running and the pressure on proved in the end to be the correct call. If the Broncos score a TD and we have 45-30 seconds left we are pretty much dead because I think in OT they totally expected us to try and go down the field same as we had since after the second drive.

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Originally posted by the-icon:
The thing of it was, time wasn't an issue for them. It was only an issue because they did that stupid qb draw and then couldn't spike it because it was 4th down. If they score a td there, then the Packers get the ball with about 18 seconds and needing a td.

Time was definitely the issue for the Broncos because they were trailing. Calling a TO and slowing things down would have done DEN a huge favor, they most certainly would have been using their TOs had they had more left. Had the Packer given up a TD to the Broncos they were beat whether they called a TO or not. As it was, DEN was in such disarray they never even took one shot in the end zone.

If you look at the time line of the game you'll see it would have been a major mistake to call TO. At 1:16 DEN gained 13 yards from the 26 to the 13 yard line. The next snap was 38 seconds later on a run to the 4 yard line, a play that took another 13 seconds, which left 25 seconds left where DEN used their final TO.

Would you really want the Packers to call a TO after the 13 yard gain to the 13 and give DEN an extra 20+ seconds to work with? They'd be sitting on the 4 yard line, 2nd down and one, with at least 45 seconds on the clock, and one of their own TOs left.

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They're managing to win while learning how to win.

A very astute and foundational point.

It's one thing to be 6-1 for a team that has already learned how to win, it is quite another for such a young team that is very much in the learning stages of the same.

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Originally posted by AZPackerBacker:

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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
The Denver shutdown corners have left the building.

After the ESPN coverage of the post-game show switched to they hyping of Pats vs Colts, I switched to NFL Network and watched Terrell Davis and Jim Mora get into an arguement over Denver's "shutdown corners".

Paraphrasing here.

Mora: The big thing here is that the big plays for the Packers came against Denver's supposedly "shutdown corners"

Davis: They ARE "shutdown corners"

Mora: There's no such thing as a "shutdown corner". A corner is backpedaling and doesn't know which way the recieiver is going to go. The receiver knows where he's supposed to go and if he get's a step it's over

Davis: Not against Denver's "shutdown corners". They have two of them.


Observation: Your homerism is showing TD.

That exchange was great.

Link to this, go to the highlight videos below, 3rd one over. The exchange starts at about 1:48. TD keeps saying shutdown and Mora makes him look like an ass.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG8&game_id=29310

Here is a direct link to the video, but you have to sit through a commercial first.

http://www.nfl.com/videos;jsessionid=D01BE6411C366B0090...oId=09000d5d803bde83