After D got torched in early going they made enough plays to win
After going cold O made enough plays to win
ST coverage still a crap shoot but Crosby is $$$
- Penalties on all 3 units at bad times
+ G won the NFC N and (edit) tie-breaker for 1st in NFC
Let's go 1-0 in Carolina!
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NFCN CHAMPS BAYBEEEEE!!!!!
Not tied for first beat the Saints already.
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Good win and the Packers in control of the top seed.
Really nice game from MVS.
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Other than Mason special teams are crap.
Way too many penalties that helped keep the Lions in the game.
Mason with a big kick and possible game saving tackle. 2 huge plays.
+++ Gary showed again
MVS best game yet
AR12 of course
LaFluer aggressive at the end throwing for the 1st down
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Penalties
Mennega
-Tshmack's liver.
+ Division win
+Division won
+Offensive firepower (MVS with a very nice game!)
+Mason kicks and tackles with a (relative) vengeance
-Coaches and coordinators often take the fall, but sooner-or-(a few coaches) later maybe it's just a glaring lack of talent in a few spots.
+ we have a baaaaaaad man under center. Everything flows through him. We win because of him.
+ I thought Amos had a really good game
+ MVS - best game as a Packer
+ great pass protection
+ played the run better today
- The KO return
- penalties
+ offense all around, AR is really dialed in
+ mlf today
- defense (rinse/repeat, sometimes they can make a stop, but we all know what will happen when the going gets tough...)
- st, second week in a row, some real bad playing *not including 2, he's been a rock.
While you can say it's being spoiled, yes, maybe...but today I wanted to think we would be preparing for the playoffs, with mistake-free football, for the most part, but we are not there...the offense must carry this team, which is typically not a recipe for a championship, we can catch lightning in a bottle but football gets very tough in the playoffs...
@Blair Kiel posted:-Tshmack's liver.
What liver?
Second half the defense figures out how to not get torched on screens
POS
The offense. All of it. Literally everyone played well.
Kudos to MLF, I really thought he called a game knowing that he needed his O to extend drives. Much better playcalling to move the chains and an improvement from the Minny/Indy Games
Instead of just saying "I'm gonna get stoned/baked" We're bringing back spliff, as in "I'm gonna go smoke a spliff like a cigarette"
Mason Crosby FG I'm not sure I'd have kicked it there. Made an ENORMOUS difference though.
NEG
Defense made a few stops sure but they still make too many games way too close. It's basically get turnovers, or "sorry offense but you need to play a nearly perfect game for us to win."
Special Teams (outside of Crosby) continues to be a dumpster fire. Gutey not letting MLF hire Rizzi simply to save a few bucks is proving to possibly be his worst decision thus far. And, I mean, Gutey traded a 4th rounder to draft Jordan Love a guy that not only wasn't the best QB in the Mountain West, he wasn't even the best QB in the Mountain West with the last of of Love - while having Aaron Rodgers on the roster and signed for 4 more years.
2020 Returns - 29th in PR and 31st in KR.
2019 Returns - 31st in PR and 25th in KR
2020 Coverage - 32nd in PR (including 2 TDs!) and 19th in KR (before today!)
2019 Coverage - 25th in PR and 22nd in KR
That we don't use the term "fatty" anymore when referring to spliffs. I miss saying "I'm gonna go light up a fatty!"
Unless you're a arsonist outside a Golden Corral.
@Henry posted:Unless you're a arsonist outside a Golden Corral.
I haven't thought about Rambling Al forever...
End of thread.
@Timpranillo posted:That we don't use the term "fatty" anymore when referring to spliffs. I miss saying "I'm gonna go light up a fatty!"
"Fatty" is still en vogue. In fact, I have a friend from southern WI who uses both terms.
We meant besides the Wisconsin women.
PAWS
NEGS
A win is a win is a win, and I'm enjoying it for now, but this is not a formula for success in the playoffs.
Positives: As someone else said, just about everything about the offense was very good today. The defense was just okay, but they did play better after looking pathetic on Detroit’s 1st drive of the game.
Negatives: Almost every Packers fan has PTSD from the Special Teams performance in the 2014 NFC Championship game. Today brought back some flashbacks from that game.
Matt LaFleur is going to have to really have to take the bull by the horns and spend some extra time with Mennenga if he’s not doing it already. That game today was over with plenty of time to spare if Mennenga’s coverage/return units were solid. They aren’t solid though, they’re possibly the worst in the league. When you’re worst in the league at something, it is very very tough to overcome that and win a world championship. There’s still time to improve things, but it hasn’t been trending in a good direction at all lately.
@Timpranillo posted:NEG
Special Teams (outside of Crosby) continues to be a dumpster fire. Gutey not letting MLF hire Rizzi simply to save a few bucks is proving to possibly be his worst decision thus far.
FYI....That was a Murphy decision, possibly Russ Balls
@Boris posted:FYI....That was a Murphy decision, possibly Russ Balls
Well then that makes Gutey Gute's worst decision even easier to assess!
@Fandame posted:PAWS
- How good is the GB O-line? Other than Bak and maybe Jenson, everyone was griping at the start of the year about how Turner was awful, Lindsley was a mess, Wagner was a turnstile, Patrick was barely serviceable as a backup, what was going to happen without Bulaga, etc. And here it is, another game without a sack. According to NFL.com, the O-line has given up 14 sacks, the fewest in the NFL. They're pretty good.
I'm happy that the O Line has gelled into a solid unit and we appear to have a bit of depth. However the fact that Rodgers is getting rid of the ball so fast is the real reason for the O Line improvement. That's a credit to MLF's O / playcalling and Rodgers buying into the system. But yes the O Line is a strength and the running game has improved as well.
I would hardly say that he's ignored as I've seen people praise him a lot, but my goodness it's hard to overstate just how damn good Elgton Jenkins has been.
For all the crap I give Gutefisk, he absolutely nailed that pick. And I don't know where the Packers would be if they didn't have Jenkins who just slots in wherever the hell you need and he does an amazing job.
Oh, yeah. Jenkins was the unsung hero and I think he doesn't get enough credit this year either. The announcers never seem to say his name, but everywhere you turn, it's Jenkins opening up holes or standing guys up or taking guys' spots when they go down. Geez, if they desperately needed a TE, I would half expect to see 74 line up out there and catch five balls in a game!
And why is the running game better? Because of the O-line. Yes, the sacks are down because MLF is calling great plays to get rid of the ball sooner and Rodgers is carrying them out, but the running game has really improved and that's due to the O-line. They still have a ways to go before you can say they are an excellent running team, but they are a good one.
+ Jammall ran angry and had fun doing it!
@ammo posted:LaFluer aggressive at the end throwing for the 1st down
I'll add this one as well. Really almost as safe a call as a run and if it's not there AR just keeps it and lets the clock run.
Not a big stat line from Big Bob but he was clutch (as was MVS).
+ Clinching the North with 3 games left! BBBWAAAHHAAHA!
+MVS was two handing the ball after every catch and avoiding contact. He wasn't going to fumble again.
+ We aren't loins fans.
+ We got to hear Schlereth use the term "tail-piping"
- Special teams
-Penalties
I don't really like the phrase, "it is what it is", but that pretty well sums up our defense. However, detwat is in the top half of the league in Points/game and top 10 in passing yards/game. Stafford is a really good qb. Combine that with possible new looks with DB as their coach, its not surprising that we gave up points and yards.
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legit offense perhaps the best and most balanced we’ve seen since 2010-2011 seasons
OL is killing it
Pass rush at times was decent
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As good as the offense has been, come playoff time I am concerned about the defense and even more concerned about the special teams (other than Mase). It shouldn’t have to take a near perfect game from the offense to win games but for 3/4 of the game yesterday that’s what it was and Detroit is not a playoff team.
I don’t understand why this team is so flawed on fundamentals like tackling but it’s bad. And it’s not like this just showed up yesterday.
It would be painful to see this team come up short yet again in the postseason but at this point it is what it is. Your flaws and warts will be exposed at some point unless the offense plays at an A+ level and that’s a lot to ask. I’ll gladly eat crow on this but there’s too much of a reference point already just to dismiss it.
I bitch at the D most every week, my eyetest says they suck BUT with records 10 and 3 this year and 13 and 3 last year it appears they must be doing something right.
I am usually not a stat guy but the D does rank fairly well this year in most areas.
That must mean some thing, eh.
Pettine's emphasis since day 1 has been to stop the big play and the passing game. I guess they usually do enough of the first to allow the offense to outscore most teams. But everyone knows that is not a good recipe for playoff football.
Totally improbable but it does leave you vulnerable to being gashed by a good running team. That would never happen.
+++MVS showed up and made the most of his time on the field. Rodgers is the GOAT. Our O Line is playing really well, as a unit. Mason making a 58 yard FG. Tonyan was solid, again! We CLINCHED the Division!!!
--- Our STs need work. Would have liked to see Austin run one back. I hope Opie saw Mason tackle the Lions' kick returner. Everyone talked about how playing at the Lions always seems to have the Packers get off to a slow start. Yesterday, it was our Defense that got off to the slow start. Soft coverages and lackluster play, at first, made it seem this game was going to be nip and tuck, all game long, and it was. I hate it when we let opposing QBs pick us apart. ESB caught a pass, to move the chains, but wasn't heard from, again, if memory serves me correctly. GB penalties always seemed to come at the worst time.
@DH13 posted:Pettine's emphasis since day 1 has been to stop the big play and the passing game. I guess they usually do enough of the first to allow the offense to outscore most teams. But everyone knows that is not a good recipe for playoff football.
Totally improbable but it does leave you vulnerable to being gashed by a good running team. That would never happen.
It's better than Dom's defenses getting gashed for huge plays with receivers running free from blown coverages, but it needs one of two things to happen.
1. The offense (usually the QB) to make a mistake. A bad throw or a drop. The better the team and the QB the less likely this happens.
2. Someone on defense (usually a pass rusher) to beat a guy one on one to make a play. Pettine will occasionally bring a blitz from a DB for a big play (like Savage yesterday or Alexander's safety against Cousins in the first Vikings game), but it's mostly just line up 4 or 5 rushers and hope for one of them to make a play.
It's really not that different from what Fritz Shurmur did with the 1996 team. They didn't blitz a ton (although Butler was great when he did) and they just relied on a DL to beat their guys. Z. Smith is good, but he's obviously not Reggie White (who could possibly be?).
This Packers defense is a decent matchup against quick-strike teams that don't feature power running games. They might be the best matchup against the Chiefs in the league in terms of both sides of the ball. They are going to have trouble with teams that are patient and keep running the ball and taking the short passes (think of the difference between the first Viking game and the second one).
I'm wondering, has Schlereth stopped talking yet? All I know is I'm off my platform this morning.....
This was not the #Packers best day. On the Saints’ not-best-day they lost to the Eagles. Perspective is key.
— Ross Uglem (@RossUglem) December 14, 2020
Mike Pettine acknowledges the #Packers have some decisions to make about how they'll replace box safety Raven Greene. Rookies Vernon Scott and Henry Black are possibilities but could also stick with a true nickel. Kamal Martin played 16 nickel snaps against Philly
— Wes Hodkiewicz (@WesHod) December 10, 2020
He looked good in the role - at least he did yesterday.
7th round pick S/LB Vernon Scott (@TCUFootball) played season-high 17 defensive snaps vs DET. Hadn't played since Week 10
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) December 14, 2020
Good reps at dime LB (Raven Greene's role) - diagnoses/plays fast but under control. And can thump when he arrives! @TheAthleticWISC Film Room Wednesday! pic.twitter.com/u48Nc1R9M9
They played more Redmond than Scott.
One question for those that might know the rules. When the Lions guy came close to recovery of the onside kick, would he have needed to have possession of the ball with 2 feet in to truly recover it? I saw he only had 1 foot in before going out of bounds but Dean Blandino never told us what the proper ruling should have been. At least I don’t remember hearing him specify that. Is only 1 foot in enough to consider possession gained on an onside kick? I wouldn’t think so but it wasn’t clear.
